Is Gentle Fist really a KKG?

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I think the KKG in DB refers to Byakugan and not the techniques

The databook is referring to only the technique, Both labels and classifications are purely based on the jutsu said databook page is describing not any outside sources that aid said jutsu.

Which is why chidori isn't labeled as KKG despite needing the sharingan to be perfected
 

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If the byakugan is merely an aid, then these GF techs would be considered a hidden technique, Not KKG. That's the point i'm trying to get across

The only GF technique stated to require the byakugan is the translation of twin lion fist.



exactly, So what is the KKG element of Airpalm?, because it ain't the byakugan.

KKG here to be precise is referring to Byakugan and not the tech. And why Gentle Fist need to be in KKG classification or Hidden tech classification? Why not just inside Taijutsu classification. Its not even qualified to be called as hidden tech either. It just some kind of chakra base Taijutsu like CES. Is CES a hidden tech?
 

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And why Gentle Fist need to be in KKG classification or Hidden tech classification? Why not just inside Taijutsu classification. Its not even qualified to be called as hidden tech either. It just some kind of chakra base Taijutsu like CES. Is CES a hidden tech?

Hidden techniques = Technique than clans hide from the outside world, Which the Hyuga do, So the only classification GF can have is KKG or Hidden.

GF =/= CES they're different and have different requirements
 

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exactly, So what is the KKG element of Airpalm?, because it ain't the byakugan.

I have never fixated on that actually. All I have known is that the practice of Jyuuken (fighting style) makes use of two Hyuuga KGs - the Byakugan and the unnamed method of releasing chakra from every tenketsu of the body.

With Air Palm, to me, it is sort of the Fireball tech of the Uchiha, kind of the basic tech for the Hyuuga. Also, air palm is a minor version of revolving Heaven/rotation which uses the aforementioned ability to release chakra from every tenketsu of the body. THis further supports the existence of that other unnamed Hyuuga KG. Then again, it's just me.
 

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Hidden techniques = Technique than clans hide from the outside world, Which the Hyuga do, So the only classification GF can have is KKG or Hidden.

GF =/= CES they're different and have different requirements

I don't think Hyuuga hide anything here and thats including world famous Gentle fist martial art technique.

Okay you can believe what you want. But Gentle fist is kind of similar to CES on the nature of both. Both are a techniques that utilise user raw chakra. But their working mechanism are quite different so are the way to perform it.
 

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I don't think Hyuuga hide anything here and thats including world famous Gentle fist martial art technique.

I mean they hide the secrets behind the techniques, Like Nara clan does it's shadowbinding, Or Ino's clan does with their mind transfer and such.

Okay you can believe what you want. But Gentle fist is kind of similar to CES on the nature of it. Both are a techniques that utilise user raw chakra. But their working mechanism are quite different so are the way to perform it.

It is kind of similar yes but we don't know that much about the hyuga so it's hard to describe the differences.

The point is, Referring to a Dojutsu doesn't make a technique KKG, It doesn't with Chidori or Raikiri
 

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The level of fanfic is on another level If that was the case then any and all Hyuga would have rotation, access and be able to use all Hyuga jutsu.

Ability and understanding are two different things Superman had the ability to fly but he had to learn how to fly
 

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Ability and understanding are two different things Superman had the ability to fly but he had to learn how to fly

Skippy superman has to develop the ability to fly he cant fly until he does, however he has the potential for it.
 

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Actually no.
Not all gentle fist attacks target the tenketsus/chakra points and not all require the byakugan.

Body blow
Airpalm
Rotation

Now based on your post, Since these don't need the byakugan as they don't target chakra points, These shouldn't be KKG but they are, Which is something no one as answered yet besides the "i don't trust the DB" argument.

Attacks that utilize a Dojutsu would be hidden Techniques (depending on their origin) as they don't require said dojutsu to actually learn it/use it, They just need it to increase the efficiency of said technique.

Sure, there are moves that don't directly attack the points and that don't require the use of Byakugan. Body Blow and Airpalm release a burst of chakra which overwhelms the opponents body with chakra released, destroying the organs/points within said persons body. Sure Rotation doesn't do that, but it's a defensive move which wasn't designed for offensive purposes. The art of this fighting style is to not physically bruise your enemy, it's to attack their fragile interior of their bodies.

The reason being it's not a hidden tech is because they're used in conjunction to Gentle Fist making them that, which is only taught by the Hyuga's teachings. Not any random shinobi would be able to pick it up, despite having a proficiency of releasing chakra from their body.

Not sure if I worded it well enough, but I hope you got my point
 

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Gentle Fist is a fighting style that was developed to be used in conjunction with the Byakugan. Just like Lighting Blade was developed by Kakashi to be used in conjunction with the Sharingan.

Sharingan could copy the movements but that Sharingan user would just be poking his enemy like an idiot.
 
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