Is Gentle Fist really a KKG?

[HyuugaHeir]

GENTLE FIST is a taijutsu style that exploits the ability to expel chakra from every tenketsu of the body, Hyuuga exclusive.
Such ability is considered a Hyuuga KKG along with the Byakugan. Sure the Sharingan could copy the basic form and stances, but will a Sharangan wielder ever execute Air palm, rotation, TLF, 64 palms, etc? No.

 

[Uverdore9]

Dont listen to the fans, they will make all kinds of pure BS to support this ridiculous notion. Gentle fist is basic chakra release or if it is indeed Kekkei genkai, then Susanoo also is, because its stated.

 

[Neji Hyūga2]

Gentle Fist isn't the KG, it's a fighting style utilized by the KG, Byakugan. To utilize it however (Gentle Fist), you'd need the Byakugan in order to see & attack the tenketsus/chakra points within targets body in order to do so.

 

[lndra]

Gentle Fist isn't the KG, it's a fighting style utilized by the KG, Byakugan. To utilize it however (Gentle Fist), you'd need the Byakugan in order to see & attack the tenketsus/chakra points within targets body in order to do so.

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[Ansatsuken]

Gentle Fist is not a bloodline limit. It just a technique develop to take advantage of Byakugan ability

 

[Exaar]

Gentle Fist isn't the KG, it's a fighting style utilized by the KG, Byakugan. To utilize it however (Gentle Fist), you'd need the Byakugan in order to see & attack the tenketsus/chakra points within targets body in order to do so.

Actually no.
Not all gentle fist attacks target the tenketsus/chakra points and not all require the byakugan.

Body blow
Airpalm
Rotation

Now based on your post, Since these don't need the byakugan as they don't target chakra points, These shouldn't be KKG but they are, Which is something no one as answered yet besides the "i don't trust the DB" argument.

Attacks that utilize a Dojutsu would be hidden Techniques (depending on their origin) as they don't require said dojutsu to actually learn it/use it, They just need it to increase the efficiency of said technique.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Gentle Fist isn't the KG, it's a fighting style utilized by the KG, Byakugan. To utilize it however (Gentle Fist), you'd need the Byakugan in order to see & attack the tenketsus/chakra points within targets body in order to do so.

Gentle Fist is not a bloodline limit. It just a technique develop to take advantage of Byakugan ability

Your both right but some silly Hyuga fans are under a different impression.

 

[Exaar]

Your both right but some silly Hyuga fans are under a different impression.

GO away troll, You already ran away when confronted with Databook sources in the other thread.

 

[salamander uchiha]

GO away troll, You already ran away when confronted with Databook sources in the other thread.

I was waiting for you to actually show the jutsu being used without the Byakugan active but you failed to deliver. I ran away from your fanfic as I don't have time to entertain it.

Don't quote me unless you have scans of the jutsu being used without the Byakugan or proof the Byakugan isn't necessary to learn how to do them.

Thanks.

 

[Jinrou]

Its a fact Kishi intended for more than one KKG for the Hyuga

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But because of the lack of focus on the Hyuga, it was never actually called a KKG though actual common sense should dictate that the actual Chakra negation/destruction would be a KKG.

Konoha's Hundred Leafs #50

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← Those forehead marks and being a bone users, is there a connection between Kimimaro's Clan and Kaguya!?

→ The Hyūga praised as Konoha's strongest. The Byakugan traditions from 1,000 years ago are now passed down in present times.

The blood relatives of Kaguya Ōtsutsuki who ate God Tree's fruit. In the current Ninja world a faint breath from the source (root) spreads. (?This might not be right). Represented by Kaguya's Byakugan. Both the Hyūga Clan's ability to see every Chakra tenketsu and Gentle Fist, were inherited in the present time from this legend. Also, even in Ninja from destroyed clans, remnants of blood can apparently be seen.

↑ Kaguya is the progenitor of Chakra. This world dominating power reappeared in the present times.

We then later see Gentle fist is in fact inherited by the Hyuga from Kaguya. But unfortunately, bad comprehension or outright saltiness wouldn't make some members put two and two together. A shame really.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Actually no.
Not all gentle fist attacks target the tenketsus/chakra points and not all require the byakugan.

Body blow
Airpalm
Rotation

Now based on your post, Since these don't need the byakugan as they don't target chakra points, These shouldn't be KKG but they are, Which is something no one as answered yet besides the "i don't trust the DB" argument.

Attacks that utilize a Dojutsu would be hidden Techniques (depending on their origin) as they don't require said dojutsu to actually learn it/use it, They just need it to increase the efficiency of said technique.

I think all the attacks you mentioned above still require Byakugan. If it not required why Hyuuga activates their Byakugan when utilising this techniques?

Yes most of the attacks you listed not directly targeting opponent's tanketsu or just a blunt attack. But Hyuuga needs Byakugan vision capability to see and control their own tanketsu flow so then they can produce precise and delicate chakra attack. Their tech is unlike CES attack. CES attack is a raw chakra strike and its not releasing any projectile chakra attack from user hand or fingers. This projectile chakra attack is just user raw chakra. Without using a Byakugan I doubt Hyuuga can produce the chakra output the attack needs precisely.

 

[Uverdore9]

It's clear kishimoto was referring to lion fists technique which require hamura's chakra to perform and that is why only hinata has done it, not even hiashi, not even listed as a user by the way. Gentle fist is basically taijutsu with energy emitting. Stop hyping it way beyond what it actually is. Emitting chakra is never a bloodline limit, every shinobi has energy in them lmfao. Chakra is basically energy required to perform ninja techniques. Which'd mean every ninja has this so called over hyped bloodline limit lmfao. Some people dont even understand what a bloodline limit is and yet falsely accuse the gentle fist of being a bloodline limit. Its not passed or transmitted through blood which is the key to a bloodline limit. It's kept secret for a reason. Why else would you keep something secret if other shinobi cant learn it even if they know the trick? Why? Why? Why? Why? Whywhywhy? Simply because it can be learned that they keep it a secret technique, and it's just taijutsu not ninjutsu or anything lmfao. Matter of fact no hyuga even has yin and yang in thier affinities which infers that according to jinrou's logic, every shinobi could learn the earth style technique from kitsuchi so every shinobi should be capable of learning gf if taught or secret unrevealed lmfao.

 

[Exaar]

I think all the attacks you mentioned above still require Byakugan. If it not required why Hyuuga activates their Byakugan when utilising this techniques?

Why wouldn't they?
Why use sharingan when using Non-uchiha kkg based attacks?

As i said, They use the byakugan to aid the jutsu, It's not part of the actual jutsu it's self, Just like how uchiha use their sharingan to for jutsu's like shuriken jutsu and such.

Yes most of the attacks you listed not directly targeting opponent's tanketsu or just a blunt attack. But Hyuuga needs Byakugan vision capability to see and control their own tanketsu flow so then they can produce precise and delicate chakra attack. Their tech is unlike CES attack. CES is a raw chakra strike and its not releasing any projectile chakra attack from user hand or fingers. This projectile chakra attack is just user raw chakra. Without using a Byakugan I doubt Hyuuga can produce the chakra output the attack needs precisely.

IN the scans i provided, The byakugan is only said to aid the jutsu i listed (i couldn't find body blow databook).

For airpalm it's use as a "scope" to accurately target the opponents vital spots, It's not said the byakugan is required.

For Rotation it's said the 360 vision is used to help perceive attacks, Then they use rotation to avoid said attack.

Meaning, Byakugan is used only to Aim airpalm, Nothing more, You also don't need dojutsu to target vital spots, That's just basic knowledge of the human body.

For rotation it's only used to see incoming attacks, Which normal eyes can do unless attacked from blindspots which the byakugan eliminates.

 

[Uverdore9]

Lmfao did this guy say you dont need doujutsu to target vital points? Lmfao. how else would they know where to attack or induce energy precisely lmfao.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

I know where the stomach is. Do you?

 

[Ansatsuken]

Why wouldn't they?
Why use sharingan when using Non-uchiha kkg based attacks?

As i said, They use the byakugan to aid the jutsu, It's not part of the actual jutsu it's self, Just like how uchiha use their sharingan to for jutsu's like shuriken jutsu and such.



IN the scans i provided, The byakugan is only said to aid the jutsu i listed (i couldn't find body blow databook).

For airpalm it's use as a "scope" to accurately target the opponents vital spots, It's not said the byakugan is required.

For Rotation it's said the 360 vision is used to help reprieve attacks, Then they use rotation to avoid said attack.

Meaning, Byakugan is used only to Aim airpalm, Nothing more, You also don't need dojutsu to target vital spots, That's just basic knowledge of the human body.

For rotation it's only used to see incoming attacks, Which normal eyes can do unless attacked from blindspots which the byakugan eliminates.

I think you misunderstood me. I never said all the attack listed a Byakugan tech.

You already got the idea here. Its mean to aid Hyuuga performing all those delicate and precise attacks. Without Byakugan aid they could meet a difficulty to produce those attacks. Databook already said Gentle fist was develop to take advantage of Byakugan eyes. All those Justus were derived from Gentle fist. Theres a connection.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

Sakura, without Byakugan, knows where the stomach, heart, liver, lungs, pancreas, gallbladder are.

 

[Exaar]

I think you misunderstood me. I never said all the attack listed a Byakugan tech.

You already got the idea here. Its mean to aid Hyuuga performing all those delicate and precise attacks. Without Byakugan aid they could meet a difficulty to produce those attacks. Data already said Gentle fist was develop to take advantage of Byakugan eyes. All those Justus were derived from Gentle fist. Theres a connection.

If the byakugan is merely an aid, then these GF techs would be considered a hidden technique, Not KKG. That's the point i'm trying to get across

The only GF technique stated to require the byakugan is the translation of twin lion fist.

Sakura, without Byakugan, knows where the stomach, heart, liver, lungs, pancreas, gallbladder are.

exactly, So what is the KKG element of Airpalm?, because it ain't the byakugan.

 

[Ansatsuken]

I think the KKG in DB refers to Byakugan and not the techniques

 

[Exaar]

Lmfao did this guy say you dont need doujutsu to target vital points? Lmfao. how else would they know where to attack or induce energy precisely lmfao.

Well it's call using the thing you lack, A brain.