is fate real?

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One can argue that because we are even discussing fate at this very moment, fate exists. With similarity to time, fate is a manmade concept or explanation for how things eventually occur, and as such, it is real, but it is not necessarily accurate. Again, with similarity to time, fate is also relative.

One can also argue, from a scientific perspective, that an individual is shaped by their experiences, and, since most (if not all) experiences are beyond their control, people are not in control of who they become entirely. The result is that we are predisposed to make decisions in a certain manner. From huge decisions such as who to marry, to little decisions like what speed to walk at. Fate would be the pathway that is created when one looks at the sum of all the experiences, chronologically, that someone has, and the resulting decisions that they make.

Let me put it this way. If you have two identical individuals genetically, and you submit them to exactly the same experiences and situations throughout each of their lives. Would you expect them to make the same decisions? Or would you expect them to differ and diverge from one another? This is assuming that all influences upon each of them are the same. From the positions of the moon and sun throughout their lives, to the number of hairs on their head.

Now, that being said, there's no way of knowing where that end will be, but that end DOES exist for us all.

But how feasible is fate? If fate exists, then what's the point of free will? Are we all just trains on tracks that go from one point to another? Or is fate only the end game, and the way in which we arrive at our destination is of our own volition?

I think that fate predetermined in the sense that I explained above, but it is not the removal of free will. Our free will is what shapes our fate, but our fate exists nonetheless.

Just for clarification, I'm discussing fate in the sense that it is one's "destiny" (... or "density" as George McFly called it).
 
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One can argue that because we are even discussing fate at this very moment, fate exists. With similarity to time, fate is a manmade concept or explanation for how things eventually occur, and as such, it is real, but it is not necessarily accurate. Again, with similarity to time, fate is also relative.

One can also argue, from a scientific perspective, that an individual is shaped by their experiences, and, since most (if not all) experiences are beyond their control, people are not in control of who they become entirely. The result is that we are predisposed to make decisions in a certain manner. From huge decisions such as who to marry, to little decisions like what speed to walk at. Fate would be the pathway that is created when one looks at the sum of all the experiences, chronologically, that someone has, and the resulting decisions that they make.

Let me put it this way. If you have two identical individuals genetically, and you submit them to exactly the same experiences and situations throughout each of their lives. Would you expect them to make the same decisions? Or would you expect them to differ and diverge from one another? This is assuming that all influences upon each of them are the same. From the positions of the moon and sun throughout their lives, to the number of hairs on their head.

Now, that being said, there's no way of knowing where that end will be, but that end DOES exist for us all.

But how feasible is fate? If fate exists, then what's the point of free will? Are we all just trains on tracks that go from one point to another? Or is fate only the end game, and the way in which we arrive at our destination is of our own volition?

I think that fate predetermined in the sense that I explained above, but it is not the removal of free will. Our free will is what shapes our fate, but our fate exists nonetheless.

Just for clarification, I'm discussing fate in the sense that it is one's "destiny" (... or "density" as George McFly called it).
Fate is only associable through impathetic and narcissistic views of liberal republicans jamming lightning rods into the peoples buttholes. Understand that, OKAY!?
 

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well scientists recently said time doesnt exist for it is also man made concept for use to keep track of events so no i dont believe in that for one reason who would be born with the fate to dig ditches of die at age three it is all random bull shit in my opinion. im not looking down on the idea but i dont believe there is such a thing but other will disagree with me and that is ok too because if we cant express our opinions and/feeling on situations then whats the point of the forum
 

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well there is no actual way to say whether is is real or not...because reality itself is just what we perceive. Its like being in a dream, you dont realize its a dream until you wake up no matter how outragous it is. though there are some people who can see that they are in a dream, most people cant. so to say that anything is actually "real" would just be saying that it is what u believe is real.
 
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well there is no actual way to say whether is is real or not...because reality itself is just what we perceive. Its like being in a dream, you dont realize its a dream until you wake up no matter how outragous it is. though there are some people who can see that they are in a dream, most people cant. so to say that anything is actually "real" would just be saying that it is what u believe is real.
I concur...
 

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Yes, fate does exist but the formula is so extremely complex that it defies the ability to completely chart it out. So it really doesn't matter if you think your decisions are "free will", no one could prove otherwise. Also, anyone denied an insurance claim due to an "act of God" knows fate to be true since a lawyer has said so (tongue firmly in cheek).
 

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You can change where you're going, but you can't change where you come from.
In other word, life is 90% of choices you make, the other 10% you can attribute to fate.

I know that for that for a fact. With everything I've done, I should of been dead a long time ago.
 
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