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Dustless Bewildering Cover vs Mangekyou Sharingan
The topic
The question being debated here, is whether or not the Sharingan (3-tomoe or MS) can see through Muu's invisibility technique (Dustless Bewildering Cover) and perceive him despite him being invisible.
My argument
My position on this topic is negative, that MS cannot see Muu when he's invisible.
I'll start off by explaining what arguments can be disregarded entirely.
Madara vs Muu and Onoki: A lot of people use this fight as evidence to prove that Sharingan can see invisible Muu, otherwise how would they both have lost to Madara so easily? Here are the pages of the fight, spread out randomly over a few chapters.
Ok. So we know Madara won, but we don't know how. That doesn't equate to sharingan seeing through invisibility, because there's a couple ways Madara could have won in that location.
-Giant katon in an enclosed location would scorch Onoki and Muu.
-Genjutsu is still a viable option.
-Magatamas could disrupt Jinton prep.
-Muu wasn't Tsuchikage yet and maybe didn't perfect the invisibility technique yet.
Next up, we have
Now that's been covered, let's move on to how Dustless Bewildering Cover works.
DB entry:
Okay, so we know he masks his visual presence by bending water vapor or something like that. Another jutsu that works like that is Konan's jutsu where she camouflages her paper.
Interesting...so two camouflage jutsus that bend light with water, and one has canonically deceived sharingan? But that's still not everything we know about this jutsu.
Kabuto states that Muu has no chakra. This makes sense, because
That doesn't mean we have to take Kabuto's statement literally, because if someone actually had no chakra they'd be dead. For example, a comparison can be drawn to Karin's ability.
There are two unique similarities between Karin's jutsu and Muu's jutsu.
1. They prevent detection from chakra sensors.
2. They can't mold chakra when their respective jutsus are in use. When Karin hid her chakra, she couldn't use her sensory abilities (which rely on chakra) to track down Danzo. When Muu goes invisible, he can't use Jinton otherwise he would have done so against his opponents in the manga.
What we can conclude from this, is that Karin and Muu's techniques work in similar ways, except in addition to hiding the user's chakra, Dustless Bewildering Cover physically hides the user's body by turning it invisible. When Muu goes invisible, his body, clothes, organs, and most importantly, his chakra are turned invisible.
Since Muu hides his chakra...and light is literally bent around him, turning his chakra invisible...I think there's reason to believe that Sharingan, an eye which has the ability to see chakra, can't perceive him. The fact that Konan's paper camouflage technique works the same way and has canonically tricked Sharingan seems to be the nail in the coffin.
I'll start off by explaining what arguments can be disregarded entirely.
Madara vs Muu and Onoki: A lot of people use this fight as evidence to prove that Sharingan can see invisible Muu, otherwise how would they both have lost to Madara so easily? Here are the pages of the fight, spread out randomly over a few chapters.
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Ok. So we know Madara won, but we don't know how. That doesn't equate to sharingan seeing through invisibility, because there's a couple ways Madara could have won in that location.
-Giant katon in an enclosed location would scorch Onoki and Muu.
-Genjutsu is still a viable option.
-Magatamas could disrupt Jinton prep.
-Muu wasn't Tsuchikage yet and maybe didn't perfect the invisibility technique yet.
Next up, we have
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. Okay...that's nice, but that's a different technique and it's unknown if there is any relation between the two techniques at all. Taiseki was never hyped for his camouflage and its ability to hide chakra.Now that's been covered, let's move on to how Dustless Bewildering Cover works.
DB entry:
Okay, so we know he masks his visual presence by bending water vapor or something like that. Another jutsu that works like that is Konan's jutsu where she camouflages her paper.
DBC ➡⬇ By bending the surrounding light with water, the user can pretend not to be there. The mechanics are similar to optical camouflage.
PPOGT ➡ So thanks to Saist's better scans I could finally read Konan's Paper Ocean (or Paper Emissary) technique properly. So some clarifications. Konan doesn't turn the Water into Explosive tags, rather it's just that she can camouflage her paper as a variety of things, and the camouflage is so good that even Sharingan is deceived by it (hence Obito not noticing he was standing on a sea of explosive tags). It's also said that escape from the jutsu is impossible even with Obito's Space-Time ninjutsu
PPOGT ➡ So thanks to Saist's better scans I could finally read Konan's Paper Ocean (or Paper Emissary) technique properly. So some clarifications. Konan doesn't turn the Water into Explosive tags, rather it's just that she can camouflage her paper as a variety of things, and the camouflage is so good that even Sharingan is deceived by it (hence Obito not noticing he was standing on a sea of explosive tags). It's also said that escape from the jutsu is impossible even with Obito's Space-Time ninjutsu
Interesting...so two camouflage jutsus that bend light with water, and one has canonically deceived sharingan? But that's still not everything we know about this jutsu.
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Kabuto states that Muu has no chakra. This makes sense, because
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, which utilizes chakra-based sensing.That doesn't mean we have to take Kabuto's statement literally, because if someone actually had no chakra they'd be dead. For example, a comparison can be drawn to Karin's ability.
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There are two unique similarities between Karin's jutsu and Muu's jutsu.
1. They prevent detection from chakra sensors.
2. They can't mold chakra when their respective jutsus are in use. When Karin hid her chakra, she couldn't use her sensory abilities (which rely on chakra) to track down Danzo. When Muu goes invisible, he can't use Jinton otherwise he would have done so against his opponents in the manga.
What we can conclude from this, is that Karin and Muu's techniques work in similar ways, except in addition to hiding the user's chakra, Dustless Bewildering Cover physically hides the user's body by turning it invisible. When Muu goes invisible, his body, clothes, organs, and most importantly, his chakra are turned invisible.
Since Muu hides his chakra...and light is literally bent around him, turning his chakra invisible...I think there's reason to believe that Sharingan, an eye which has the ability to see chakra, can't perceive him. The fact that Konan's paper camouflage technique works the same way and has canonically tricked Sharingan seems to be the nail in the coffin.
