Rikudou Tobi
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Kyubi went from fighting gold and silver to getting captured by Madara at VoTe battle according to Ay. Hashirama said that Madara attacked the village after the shinobi system was already created.
Information Concerning Hashirama death during First Shinobi war and Tobirama
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salamander uchiha
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I think you misunderstood I wanted to know where it said Hashirama had seven tailed beasts? I've heard several that's more than 2 but usually 4. I'm excluding Kyubi
1) Never mentioned once about vitality deprivation. I stated hashirama death is all speculation and yes you are right. ANY one could have beaten him but I believe it was possibly 1 or more of the 1st era kage.
2) I was stating where the speculation came from not that it actually happened that way. The manga never stated Kinkaku and Ginkaku killed him HOWEVER the manga doesn't directly say they didn't do it either. After all it was the Kinkaku force that took him out. Also during this time Gin and Kin were working with the cloud
3) Nine tail portion is correct. However Madara attacking was BEFORE the 1st shinobi war considering both Tobirama and Hashirama died during the 1st shinobi war. The first kage summit began at the beginning of the 1st shinobi war.
Im in the process of trying to build a time line based on 1st shinobi great war. Sadly there is literally nothing to go off of concerning ANY of the 1st era Kage other than they passed abilities to their successors.
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Rikudou Tobi
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Oh okay. Well during the 1st confrerence where they finalize the shinobi system (before Madara attacked konoha), Hashirama said he was going to divide the bijus he kept suppressed to all the villages. Kurama was with In the wild or Madara at the time and the Sanbi was with the Sand village.
So that’s 9-2= 7 bijus
salamander uchiha
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I understand what your saying but Hashirama never gave a number to how many tailed beasts he had.
Doesn't have to you have to painfully piece the numbers together.
Sand had 1 tail
Kyuubi ran wild
Meaning the rest were either in his control or in the wild
The only village that claimed they owned a tailed beast was Sand.
Meaning hashirama gave away the other 7.
Another way to look at it is the Uzumaki clan who specialized in capturing beast. Its possible that they captured beast and gave them to Hashirama to barter. Either way he still had 7
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salamander uchiha
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No it doesn't mean that and the Uzumaki clan specialising in capturing beast where did you get that from?
Sand had 1 and Kyubi was wild.
Hashirama had anywhere from 1 to 7 tailed beasts not 7.
Rikudou Tobi
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The First World War against Ginkaku and Kinakau, so which kage was responsible?
1. The gold and silver bros attacked the Raikage, so they were against them.
2. They said 20 bounty hunters, there was no mention of the the brothers themselves so to speculate otherwise would be baseless.
No.
1. Conference establishment of shinobi system
2. VoTe fight
3. First war
You need to remember that Madara wasn’t there to aid in any war on konoha’s behalf.
No he didn’t
1 and 2) We're arguing the same point... so no point addressing as Im explaining to you why the speculation happened based on the actual events.
The conference did not establish the shinobi system. The conference was to discuss peace due to the first shinobi great war.
The shinobi system was already established by the first summit. Why do you think it was called the first 5 great nation Kage Summit. They were there to form treaties for peace to end the war (Did not work) not establish villages.
The First Shinobi world war was already happening when the First decided to have the Summit to discuss peace.
Rikudou Tobi
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You said that ginkakau and kinakau were fighting for the cloud, and I'm explaining to you that they didn't because they attacked Ay.
I'll tell you why this scenario here doesn't work.
1.One thing you need to realize is that the conference was not about the first world war, it was about the end of the feudal era in which Hashirama was dubbed god of the shinobi because he was given credited for creating the Naruto current shinobi system.
2. If the conference happened after the war, Hashirama would not split the bijus up. In fact Tobirama would not let him. They would just use that as military might against Hashirama destroy the leaf entirely. He wanted peace not war.
3. The First world war had both Hashirama and Tobirama in it. But d you know what else? It had the 2nd Raikage as current kage of kumo at the time. So your perceptions is all wrong. How can the first gokage conference happen after the first world war when 2nd Raikage wasn't even kage yet?
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I have so much more facts too, but this should be enough to understand that your order is wrong.
Of the feudal era
Rikudou Tobi
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That’s why I have them numbered. Refer to #2. It would not make sense for Tobirama to share the biju especially during a war.
On top of that what you’re saying does not line up because kages don’t have a conference meeting during a war, it doesn’t work that way considering the fact that both Hashirama and Tobirama participating in the war together. And in the war the 2nd Raikage was the only kumo kage alive during the First World War hence the Coup done by ginkaku and kinkaku.
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InfiniteMugen
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Just to throw this out there, it’s possible the first raikage was replaced at some point after the conference, and before/ early in the war
Rikudou Tobi
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Not necessarily since he was responsible for giving the Yotsuki Clan a piece of land in the cloud valley (where bee trains) to stay. He carried out responsibility and work in office before his passing.
The first conference kage meeting happened right after the feudal era, during their meeting there wasn't any mention of war or fighting. In fact Tobirama called this meeting just to share biju evenly between each village.
Why are you and Mellanoma so bent on the war happening before or during the conference?
This is why im stating the story doesn't add up. As always you see 1 tree and miss the entire forest. This is why the VS guys tear you up.
Here let me break it down for you more.
Im trying to figure out the time line of events and I gave an example of my time line to argue.
1) Leaf Village already established:
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2) First Hokage and Second Hokage both died during first war
If these facts are canon...
Then how does the events play out? The purpose of this thread is debating the actual time line. Instead of giving negative input on 1 particular event. Give me your time line concerning
1st shinobi war
Hashirama death
Madara intervention
Madara revolt
Tobirama death
Hiruzen becoming hokage
It's stated there are only 2 years between Hashirama first becoming hokage till Hiruzen taking over. If this is the case then yes the war happened shortly after, during or while the First Kage summit occured.
May not seem like a big deal but you have to remember all thats mentioned above happened within those two years. The fact that Hashirama was already kage of the leaf during the summit would indicate the war occured during, before or SHORTLY after the kage summit.
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