would it be a better plan to cast Kotoamatsukami on everyone instead of using infinite tsukuyomi, Kotoamatsukami actually changes your mind set and jus doesnt keep you in a genjutsu forever, you still able to carry out and execute functions as a normal human being,also you only have to cast it once, infinite tsukuyomi is stupid since you have to maintain it and from what we know from normal tsukuyomi you can carry out any human functions while under the genjutsu
Infinite Kotoamatsukami
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masterylucain
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I doubt either Obito nor Madara has KA. If they did, why haven't they used it by now? Both of them have senju DNA, so they can use KA once a day or something ridiculously short. Yet, I've not seen either of them use it.
And Obito did try to get Shisui's eye. After Danzo died:
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No it wouldn't. KA is a command type jutsu. Like when it was used on Itachi, he was given the command "protect konoha". That is why, he decided to stop Kabuto, and Kabuto couldn't control him anymore, because the jutsu was controlling him.
Say it was used on Sasuke, when he was about to fight Naruto. Sasuke would probably commit suicide, or let Naruto win/kill him. How else could he protect Konoha from himself.
So it would be impossible to give a goal to every shinobi that would avoid any deaths, and thus changing ones mind. In the end it'd probably be the same as killing everyone.
Also KA isn't manipulating time. So it wouldn't last forever. Which is probably the main point of infinite tsukuyomi
Say it was used on Sasuke, when he was about to fight Naruto. Sasuke would probably commit suicide, or let Naruto win/kill him. How else could he protect Konoha from himself.
So it would be impossible to give a goal to every shinobi that would avoid any deaths, and thus changing ones mind. In the end it'd probably be the same as killing everyone.
Also KA isn't manipulating time. So it wouldn't last forever. Which is probably the main point of infinite tsukuyomi
actually tsukuyomi doesn't manipulate time itself,it manipulates mind making it believe that 72 hours has passed,so the user and the victim's body live the same age but the mind is what lives that long.
also living 72 hours in your mind but one second in body will make huge burden to the brain causing a coma or some serious brain damage which can cause death .
so in short after one day of infinite tsukuyomi everyone in the world will either fall in coma or die.
yep the greatest plan ever to make people happy!
Tbh, this is IMO incorrect. If we take Kishis word in the databook about tsukuyomi being needed for Susano, Sasuke must have it. But Sasuke is manipulating amaterasu with his right eye, blaze release as some call it. As I see it, this is the same thing as tsukuyomi. Itachi also did it, when he stopped amaterasu from Sasukes clone. You cannot control a flame like amaterasu without being able to alter time in it and around it.
Yet again the databook backs me up. Cause tsukuyomi is listed as a ninjutsu. So it is actually just a standard genjutsu, where the user, uses a ninjutsu to alter the genjutsu, thus causing a much great impact of damage on the target, who is defenseless in the genjutsu. Sasuke found another way to use this. When he used amaterasu the first time against Bee, it later hit Karin. Sasuke was full of emotions, and thus he awakened the 2nd ability to control the flames. But he had already used tsukuyomi earlier with the same eye. But he can't have more MS abilities in the same eye IMO, so it has to be the same overall jutsu that manipulates the other 2.
Look, that is a contradiction. If Infinite Tsukuyomi was merely going to make people believe that time was lasting forever whilst their bodies continued on, then Infinite Tsukuyomi would end, and if it is something that can end, then it is NOT Infinite, and if it is NOT Infinite, then it is not a jutsu at all. In Tsukuyomi, for the illusion to work, the mind is literally sent into a 72-hour lasting dimension for the full time period of that dimension's lasting (72 hours), whilst the body continues it's activity of physical determinism for three seconds. In Infinite Tsukuyomi, the mind will be sent into a forever-lasting dimension for the full time period of that dimension's lasting, which is FOREVER, meaning that the mind will forever be sent to that dimension. With the mind eternally here and physically out of time, physical temporality will no longer occur or be in effect. To put it simply, for the body, time will freeze in that instant that Infinite Tsukuyomi is cast whilst for the mind time will go on forever.
Kotoamatsukami is not better because that is a command that controls the body and the mind to continue action and continue change to both of them. This allows time to continue for the physical and the body will eventually degrade and die.
It's been stated in the manga that itachi has the ability to manipulate the victims PERCEPTION Of time... he does not make the world move slower, he makes kakashi think 72 hours has passed, and tortures him in that period with mental pain that feels physical
As some others have stated, it would be reality. I was going to bring up the everyone still dying part, but technically, that can be said for Tsukyomi as well. However, Obito wouldn't even see Rin again, Madara wouldn't recieve his young body, and well pretty much everything stays the same, but it would achieve peace.
the problem with your theory that you assumed the time will freeze(which is merely an assumption that makes no sense at all),which means the people won't persue their lives,they'll be just standing there forever.
That is just another way of using the jutsu. Amaterasu can't be controlled in any other way. Why else would Sasuke wait with using it, till the end of the fight? Amaterasu is a HUGE risk to yourself and your allies, if you cannot control it. Sasuke didn't realize, how he could control it, till that fight. And he obviously was aware, how to use the jutsu before the fight, since he had mentioned it to Suigetsu.
Yeah that I do not disagree with. But it is much more complex than that. I don't think the jutsu applies to anything. It only applies to users own nijutsu. It is said that it burns till the target is gone, or for 7 days and 7 nights. So by speeding up the time of your own jutsu, it will simply disappear before it can burn away the target. The same happens in the genjutsu. Obviously it cannot apply to other things, since it would be waaay too over powered. But it works great with amaterasu and of course genjutsu. Well it's just my opinion. Why else label tsukuyomi as a ninjutsu?