Industrialization is the fall of Shinobi world

Mellanoma

Active member
Elite
Joined
Oct 21, 2011
Messages
7,541
Kin
38💸
Kumi
24💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Much like the Meiji period in Japanese history.

The Boruto series I believe will be about the modernization and industrialization of the Shinobi world at the cost of its collapse.

You must be registered for see images


In this image you clearly see Konoha in crumbles and above the hokage monument there is a fully modernized portion of the Land of Fire. This clearly indicates that the Shinobi countries (Atleast Konoha) has been slowly going through the process of modernization.

Now with this being said one may ask why the Shinobi nations would crumble and the reasons are based on the evidence i have provided below:

The Daimyo and Wealthy No Longer Need Shinobi.

While many disagree we must remember just how wealthy and powerful the wealthy/Daimyo are in the Shonobi world.

If we remember in part one during the Land of the Waves arc the main villain was Gatou

You must be registered for see images
You must be registered for see images

Essentially he wanted control over the nation simply so he could continue profiting from its shipping industry at the misfortune of it's people who suffered.

2) They ultimately decided the Shinobi Alliance and have more power than the Kages

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images


Now that we have established just how powerful the wealthy and Daimyo are let us continue on with the next phase:

Technology

As displayed in the Boruto Series:

You must be registered for see images


You must be registered for see images


With this technology alone that no longer "Requires Chakra" or even to be a shinobi. One would begin to wonder the pros and cons of even having Ninja as:

1) Ninja require extensive physical training (Costly)
2) Jutsu development can take years of training and practice (Costly)

With this new technology an ordinary person can produce extremely high level jutsu AND its cheaper and more profitable to mass produce these Jutsu devices. Something any wealthy man would consider. You could even argue that 10 years of elite ninja training could cost the same as 10,000 normal men with these jutsu devices.

Last reason, the world is at peace:

We all know that war is profit for the people who put up the money and manufacturing but with the world at peace how exactly are the Shinobi countries profitable or even efficient?

You must be registered for see images


The 5 great Kages are all at peace with one another with no indication of fighting.


Conclusion: Based on the evidence provided I can conclude that there will be an Economical collapse which throws the Shinobi world in turmoil and ultimately leads to the devastation of the age of ninja.



In short: Daimyo/Wealthy > Ninja world
 

Byakuren

Active member
Regular
Joined
Oct 13, 2016
Messages
1,084
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Exactly. With this new ninja technology, even those who aren't ninja can replicate shinobi feats. Wealth/Economical Power >>> Ninja. It's only a matter of time before the Daimyo eradicate/enslave the shinobi of their world.
 

wanderingcactus

Active member
Veteran
Joined
Apr 17, 2014
Messages
4,795
Kin
2,117💸
Kumi
1,383💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
but the thing is all those tech require ninjas.

So it is still whoever is a ninja will be the most superior as people would start relying more and more on tech, they will lose the capability to do anything on their own.

Should the company then stops supplying scrolls to the masses, only the very few ninjas remain.

Quite a good evil plan.

elitism and the like.
 

Mellanoma

Active member
Elite
Joined
Oct 21, 2011
Messages
7,541
Kin
38💸
Kumi
24💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
but the thing is all those tech require ninjas.

So it is still whoever is a ninja will be the most superior as people would start relying more and more on tech, they will lose the capability to do anything on their own.

Should the company then stops supplying scrolls to the masses, only the very few ninjas remain.

Quite a good evil plan.

elitism and the like.


ofcourse a ninja with the tech > a person with the tech

The issue however is effectiveness over time. As ninja die out the only people to replace them is normal folks.

Essentially quantity vs quality with the decider being the tech

If the tech can utilize A rank or S rank jutsu then you now have Normal people using Jounin/Sannin level attacks.

As for the Daimyo/Wealthy I believe they will support this scroll company 100% as the mass production is profitable and helps their agenda

however if it does shut down then I agree 100%

Elitism will reign supreme which may be how Kawaki comes to power
 
Last edited:

Umari Senju

Active member
Legendary
Joined
Aug 30, 2012
Messages
12,535
Kin
238💸
Kumi
96💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
I actually agree with completely. I got this vibe as well when Ikemoto introduced the Fire Daiymo and placed him under Bolt's protection. With the subtle hints you mentioned all the way back to part I, I feel this is going to be the main focus of the Boruto manga as a whole.

I feel this too, is where Naruto and Sasuke's vision to change/get rid the Shinobi system and bring peace will begin to be enacted through their kids and the next gen. Great theory.



but the thing is all those tech require ninjas.

So it is still whoever is a ninja will be the most superior as people would start relying more and more on tech, they will lose the capability to do anything on their own.

Should the company then stops supplying scrolls to the masses, only the very few ninjas remain.

Quite a good evil plan.

elitism and the like.
Nice point. This very problem will probably lead to what we saw in the first issue. A lack of Ninja to kee people like Kawaki from doing what he did
 
Last edited:

Chikombo

Active member
Elite
Joined
Jun 8, 2016
Messages
7,420
Kin
9,371💸
Kumi
1,003💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Awards
Yea the theme is running through the Boruto stuff a lot. I thought of it the moment I saw Kawakii vs Boruto. Naruto has been using a lot of mythology and this seems like taken from actual Japanese history makes me think of the scene in the Last Samurai where they just mow down people using a gatling gun instead of swords.


It's interesting to see the evolution of the world, first you had people without chakra then you had endless skirmishes then you had villages and now you have world peace.

You must be registered for see images
 

Byakuren

Active member
Regular
Joined
Oct 13, 2016
Messages
1,084
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Yea the theme is running through the Boruto stuff a lot. Naruto has been using a lot of mythology and this seems like taken from actual Japanese history makes me think of the scene in the Last Samurai where they just mow down people using a gatling gun instead of swords.


It's interesting to see the evolution of the world, first you had people without chakra then you had endless skirmishes then you had villages and now you have world peace.

You must be registered for see images
Even in part one, guns had already been manufactured!

You must be registered for see images
 

Byakuren

Active member
Regular
Joined
Oct 13, 2016
Messages
1,084
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
I wonder if ninja tech is gonna replace chakra use.
Quite possibly. That's actually a rather intelligent notion you just inferred. Think about it, with the creation of technology, the shinobi won't see the need to use their chakra anymore, aside trivial day to day means. Why waste chakra, when you can simply use technology that can get the job finished at a lesser expense?

Over time, the usage of chakra will become a lost art, or used by very few, and when that happens I'd be under the presumption that that is when the Daimyo will have ceased control of the shinobi world.
 

Byakuren

Active member
Regular
Joined
Oct 13, 2016
Messages
1,084
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
The ninja are adapting to the tech as well, no?

It's not like Samurai where they are completely outdated by the gun. Shinobi are still very powerful.
Not in the way the new generation are I'd suppose. The old era probably has the mindset our own prior era has regarding technology. You'd be astounded on how many olden people don't know how to use technology, or understand the basic concepts of it for that matter.
 

Mellanoma

Active member
Elite
Joined
Oct 21, 2011
Messages
7,541
Kin
38💸
Kumi
24💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
The ninja are adapting to the tech as well, no?

It's not like Samurai where they are completely outdated by the gun. Shinobi are still very powerful.
Quite possibly. That's actually a rather intelligent notion you just inferred. Think about it, with the creation of technology, the shinobi won't see the need to use their chakra anymore, aside trivial day to day means. Why waste chakra, when you can simply use technology that can get the job finished at a lesser expense?

Over time, the usage of chakra will become a lost art, or used by very few, and when that happens I'd be under the presumption that that is when the Daimyo will have ceased control of the shinobi world.
Yes the ninja will use the tech but the issue is numbers.

you can literally have 100 normal people for every 1 shinobi. Even if the Shinobi are more skilled all the tech requires is point and release making the most skilled shinobi vulernable to being killed by a normal person.

the cost and effort of training an elite jounin would be nothing compared to arming 100 men with tech weapons.

Think of the Meiji period

for every 1 samurai there were 100+ soldiers.

a soldier required a month of training

a Samurai required YEARS of training

giving a soldier a gun cut that training time even further
 
Last edited:

Byakuren

Active member
Regular
Joined
Oct 13, 2016
Messages
1,084
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Yes the ninja will use the tech but the issue is numbers.

you can literally have 100 normal people for every 1 shinobi. Even if the Shinobi are more skilled all the tech requires is point and release making the most skilled shinobi vulernable to being killed by a normal person.

the cost and effort of training an elite jounin would be nothing compared to arming 100 men with tech weapons
Chakra usage will be nonexistent in following years reverting back to the pre-Kaguya era, where everyone couldn't utilize chakra. This will allow the Daimyo to inherently cease control, and thus... Another ninja rebellion is started i.e the fifth shinobi world war.
 

Mellanoma

Active member
Elite
Joined
Oct 21, 2011
Messages
7,541
Kin
38💸
Kumi
24💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Chakra usage will be nonexistent in following years reverting back to the pre-Kaguya era, where everyone couldn't utilize chakra. This will allow the Daimyo to inherently cease control, and thus... Another ninja rebellion is started i.e the fifth shinobi world war.
I agree except with no major financial backing the war won't end well for the shinobi.

Especially if you have shinobi leading the Daimyo's side(kawaki) potentially
 

Byakuren

Active member
Regular
Joined
Oct 13, 2016
Messages
1,084
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
I agree except with no major financial backing the war won't end well for the shinobi.

Especially if you have shinobi leading the Daimyo's side(kawaki) potentially
That's to be expected, but hope is the catalyst for all rebellions, both big, and small. And with hope, comes change.
 
Top