Indra and Ashura

[Tennis Robot]

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The Indra/Ashura archetype has been seen many times in Naruto, even in non-manifestations of the brothers.

Kakashi/Guy: Kakashi was one of the best Indras, a prodigy beyond compare, even before he got Obito's left eye. Guy, also one of the best Ashuras, had no talent at all, probably the least talented top tier ninja ever. But he worked his ass off and surpassed Kakashi in the end.

Neji/Lee: Another good example, Neji is kind of a decent Indra, and Lee was a pretty good Ashura. This rivalry never really developed after part 1 though, so not much to say....

Madara/Hashirama: Probably the worst example tbh. Hashi was more talented than Madara, and never had to actually surpass Madara during his lifetime. So Madara is arguably the worst Indra ever since he was dominated by his counterpart the whole time. Hashirama also is probably the weakest of the three incarnations of Ashura (Ashura, Hashirama, Naruto) as he never acquired any of the tailed beasts and relied entirely on his innate techniques and immense chakra reserves.

Orochimaru/Jiraiya: I like this one. It's a perfect example: Orochimaru was talented, Jiraiya was kind of a loser. Jiraiya ended up becoming extremely strong through hard work, and Orochimaru constantly sought power, more so than any Indra aside from maybe Madara (though the amount of time Oro put in is probably more than Madara). However, it isn't known whether or not Jiraiya ever surpassed or even equaled Orochimaru

Sasuke/Naruto: This one might be the best example. Sasuke was a loner and pretty talented ninja (not too talented for an Indra though tbh) and Naruto sought friendship and was a pretty horrible ninja. Sasuke sought power to kill Itachi (selfish reason) and Naruto sought power to bring back Sasuke. Now, Naruto has probably surpassed Sasuke (until Sasuke has two Rinnegan eyes, I think Naruto is pretty clearly stronger than him). One thing that always interested me about this rivalry was that Sasuke always thought of himself as Naruto’s superior while Naruto believed they were equals. Kind of sums up Indra/Ashura lol.

Itachi: An extremely compelling case here. Itachi was the most talented Leaf ninja ever as a child (other than maybe Kakashi), but he didn’t really ever have an Indra attitude. Except he kind of did. Itachi’s arrogance came from his belief that he had to do everything, since he was so gifted and so aware at such a young age. Also, Itachi has no real counterpart. I believe that Itachi represents parts of both Indra and Ashura, which I guess is pretty obvious but I’m not sure what to make of it.

So yeah, that’s about it. I’m sure I’ve forgotten some examples though. I’m not sure what to do now, this just came to my mind and I figured it would be pretty interesting…Enjoy

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

hmm....ok cool

 

[Rinianne]

but I hope you did not make this to say they are ACTUALLY reincarnations of ashura and indra, right?

 

[Tennis Robot]

but I hope you did not make this to say they are ACTUALLY reincarnations of ashura and indra, right?

Of course not. Just interesting that the pattern shows up a lot outside of the reincarnations

 

[UCE]

...:|...Lol...cool

 

[Scryed]

For Itachi perhaps his counterpart was Shisui.

 

[Tennis Robot]

For Itachi perhaps his counterpart was Shisui.

I was thinking that too but Shisui is shown to be really gifted as well. I would say he and Itachi are kindred spirits, maybe Shisui a little more on the Ashura side and Itachi more on the Indra

 

[Xlad]

I'm sure it was more a Red Oni, Blue Oni type of crap. Pretty much all except Itachi are like that.

 

[EVlL]

madara-hashi sasuke-naruto aside, oro and jiraiya should be the best

 

[Bindu45]

I was thinking that too but Shisui is shown to be really gifted as well. I would say he and Itachi are kindred spirits, maybe Shisui a little more on the Ashura side and Itachi more on the Indra

u mentioned itachi to resemble both so i would say he is more of the sage and shisui is the sage's brother

 

[Tennis Robot]

madara-hashi sasuke-naruto aside, oro and jiraiya should be the best

I think Oro/Jiraiya is a better example than Madara/Hashirama tbh. They both had the ideals of Indra/Ashura (Madara started out similar to Ashura, but in the end they replicated this as well) and Oro was always shown as better than Jiraiya, who was somewhat incompetent (not seen between Madara and Hashirama)

 

[take it easy]

naruto was gifted with special chakra/body unlike jiraiya and lee.

 

[Tennis Robot]

u mentioned itachi to resemble both so i would say he is more of the sage and shisui is the sage's brother

I wanted to mention Itachi as the sage possibly, but didn't want to start a war haha. I didn't think of Shisui as his brother though, that's interesting. I feel like we need to learn more about the brother before we can compare him to anyone

 

[Uchiha Marshmallow]

Naruto has more raw power than Sasuke, but the problem is, Sasuke is:
*Faster
*More Intellegent
*more analytically capable
*Not boring

 

[Tennis Robot]

naruto was gifted with special chakra/body unlike jiraiya and lee.

Yeah that makes him a little stronger than them at first, but he had no chakra control and, more importantly, no friends. Also I think that part of the Ashura archetype is that he is the child of such a gifted individual but has no real talent himself. And we know nothing about Lee/Jiraiya's family...

 

[take it easy]

Naruto has more raw power than Sasuke, but the problem is, Sasuke is:
*Faster
*More Intellegent
*more analytically capable
*Not boring

and this reason why sasuke looks like noob with strategy against juubito?

Also I think that part of the Ashura archetype is that he is the child of such a gifted individual but has no real talent himself. And we know nothing about Lee/Jiraiya's family...

i highly doubt that without natural talent and only with hard training he can surpass genius like minato and kakashi in short time.

 

[Tennis Robot]

Naruto has more raw power than Sasuke, but the problem is, Sasuke is:
*Faster
*More Intellegent
*more analytically capable
*Not boring

Naruto has been shown to be tactically competent multiple times, albeit with a little intel. Also you can't just say Sasuke is faster than Naruto. Maybe within a certain radius. Be realistic though; it's one Rinnegan compared to 9 tailed beasts. The sheer amount of chakra Naruto has right now is pretty ridiculous. I think they will be equal once Sasuke gets a second Rinnegan (if he ever does)