Increasing the odds of Sasuke vs Naruto

[drslim]

Let me start by saying that I am not a Sasuke fanboy. I try to be impartial, but if I would choose, I would favor Sasuke.

As everyone is waiting for the big final fight of the two heros, lots of people on NB consider that the odds have tipped heavily in favor of Naruto. I want to try to discuss here what might increase the odds of Sasuke.

Someone even recently made a thread giving arguments that Naruto would win that were based purely on emotional reasons, like "good > evil" or "Naruto is the manga hero". Please, let's keep this thread focused on the manga world and it's own logic, and debate just basing on what we know for sure from the manga/anime.

Here is a starter:

1) Naruto may not be able to use his final Kurama-linked form in a fight with Sasuke
Reason: in the fight with the Hachibi, Sasuke burned the whole Eight-tails using Amaterasu. A fully-transformed Jinchuuriki is just a too big target. No matter how fast, it is just too easy for Sasuke to put him on fire.

If this is the case, Naruto would be limited to the use of the Kyuubi chakra that he has for himself. He would not be able to use the Tailed Beast bomb. But he would be a smaller target, hard to hit with Amaterasu given his speed.

2) Without using the Tailed Beast bomb, Naruto cannot directly crack Susanoo
Reason: not much direct evidence. Naruto did not hit Susanoo with Rasenshuriken or even with Oodama Rasengan yet... But if they do not work, then he would have to "pull out" Sasuke from the Susanoo like the Kage's did with Madara. And that's tricky...

3) Here is a final thought: whatever you may say about Sasuke, he is a whole lot smarter than Naruto...

 

[kevenc]

Close this thread please.

 

[Uchiha Josephus]

Thank you for a well thought out arguement

It will be an interesting fight no doubt though I think a full-powered (all of Kurama's chakra freely used) Kyuubi-mode will be enough

EDIT - also, welcome to Narutobase, although I guess you've been here a month now

 

[bajram]

to long...did'nt bother to read, im bored of this kind of thread's.

 

[Kirikoe]

hmm u make some good point and ye sasuke is smart but i think as the manga and anime has gone on we have seen how naruto's battle sence and smarts have improved alot, he maybe smarter in general but i think we have to give credit here to naruto that he is always thinking ahead and he is a lot smarter in battle than he used to be.

anyways moving on, i think that sasuke has more of an advantage as well at some points for example, bijuu mode currently can only last for 5 minutes this could be a big disadvantage aswell even though by the time they fight im sure naruto could hold the form fully

 

[drslim]

Thank you for a well thought out arguement

It will be an interesting fight no doubt though I think a full-powered (all of Kurama's chakra freely used) Kyuubi-mode will be enough

You are sooo right!. It's gonna be a great fight!

It could even be more interesting than just Sasuke vs Naruto. Don't you think it could be Sasuke vs Naruto vs Tobi?

I believe that Sasuke is both after Naruto and Tobi. He may be waiting right now for an outcome of their fight, and will attack both if he thinks they are weak enough.

The reason why I think this is because Sasuke is smart, and I do not believe in his childish behavior as displayed to Tobi. I think that Sasuke has figured out a lot about Tobi's involvement in the Uchiha massacre, and I think Tobi is high on his hit list.

 

[Prince Charles]

Let me start by saying that I am not a Sasuke fanboy. I try to be impartial, but if I would choose, I would favor Sasuke.

As everyone is waiting for the big final fight of the two heros, lots of people on NB consider that the odds have tipped heavily in favor of Naruto. I want to try to discuss here what might increase the odds of Sasuke.

Someone even recently made a thread giving arguments that Naruto would win that were based purely on emotional reasons, like "good > evil" or "Naruto is the manga hero". Please, let's keep this thread focused on the manga world and it's own logic, and debate just basing on what we know for sure from the manga/anime.

Here is a starter:

1) Naruto may not be able to use his final Kurama-linked form in a fight with Sasuke
Reason: in the fight with the Hachibi, Sasuke burned the whole Eight-tails using Amaterasu. A fully-transformed Jinchuuriki is just a too big target. No matter how fast, it is just too easy for Sasuke to put him on fire.

If this is the case, Naruto would be limited to the use of the Kyuubi chakra that he has for himself. He would not be able to use the Tailed Beast bomb. But he would be a smaller target, hard to hit with Amaterasu given his speed.

2) Without using the Tailed Beast bomb, Naruto cannot directly crack Susanoo
Reason: not much direct evidence. Naruto did not hit Susanoo with Rasenshuriken or even with Oodama Rasengan yet... But if they do not work, then he would have to "pull out" Sasuke from the Susanoo like the Kage's did with Madara. And that's tricky...

3) Here is a final thought: whatever you may say about Sasuke, he is a whole lot smarter than Naruto...

1. he put hachibi on fire not bee they are 2 separate beings. and the hachibi is still alive and kicking till this day and who saids the same move will work twice?
2.does that really matter? sussano cant be activated for ever it drains chakra
3.whole lot smater then naruto yea right idk if you havent noticed but naruto has been been alot better and smarter battle-wise a clone was able to figure out the raikage's weak spot so stfu your thread is a fail and you are a fanboy

 

[kevenc]

You are sooo right!. It's gonna be a great fight!

It could even be more interesting than just Sasuke vs Naruto. Don't you think it could be Sasuke vs Naruto vs Tobi?

I believe that Sasuke is both after Naruto and Tobi. He may be waiting right now for an outcome of their fight, and will attack both if he thinks they are weak enough.

The reason why I think this is because Sasuke is smart, and I do not believe in his childish behavior as displayed to Tobi. I think that Sasuke has figured out a lot about Tobi's involvement in the Uchiha massacre, and I think Tobi is high on his hit list.

You are wrong here, Sasuke is very arrogant he would jump into the fight

Tho I also think it will turn to Naruto Sasuke vs Tobi in the end

 

[Wind..]

Actually Killer-Bee said that Naruto was able to pull off a TBB in training...

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which was before he was able to go into full Bijuu Mode meaning he could potentially use a small TBB which would most likely destroy Susano'o anyway... But even if he just goes into full Bijuu mode for a moment just to do TBB... I still think that atm Sasuke has no chance against Naruto.

 

[Ryuu..]

Fair enough, but no-one has even seen Sasuke's Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan abilities so why are people speculating?

 

[Prince Charles]

1. he put hachibi on fire not bee they are 2 separate beings. and the hachibi is still alive and kicking till this day and who saids the same move will work twice?
2.does that really matter? sussano cant be activated for ever it drains chakra
3.whole lot smater then naruto yea right idk if you havent noticed but naruto has been been alot better and smarter battle-wise a clone was able to figure out the raikage's weak spot so your thread is a fail and you are a fanboy

 

[drslim]

1. he put hachibi on fire not bee they are 2 separate beings. and the hachibi is still alive and kicking till this day and who saids the same move will work twice?
2.does that really matter? sussano cant be activated for ever it drains chakra
3.whole lot smater then naruto yea right idk if you havent noticed but naruto has been been alot better and smarter battle-wise a clone was able to figure out the raikage's weak spot so stfu your thread is a fail and you are a fanboy

1) If you re-read the Sasuke-Bee fight, then you will see that Bee's clone got burned as well. Bee only escaped because he made a clone, and _that's_ a move that will not work twice.
2) Sure, Naruto has a stamina advantage. But if he is hit _once_ with Amaterasu he is finished.
3) Sure, Naruto has improved a lot. But if you re-read the Sasuke-Deidara fight, for example, you will see that Naruto is nowhere near Sasuke's level of intelligence. And he never has been...

Finally, please keep your emotions under control. Just because I did not like your thread is no reason to abuse me

 

[Uchicha Macho]

Close this thread please.

lol it alright for u all to make sasuke pwning naruto,but it not alright to make logical thread about sasuke pwning naruto?
Haters gonna hate

 

[kevenc]

lol it alright for u all to make sasuke pwning naruto,but it not alright to make logical thread about sasuke pwning naruto?
Haters gonna hate

That's why I wanted to close this thread so I don't need to debate all over again with your kind.

Now please, let's wait and see what is Sasuke able to do because at the moment Naruto had alots of power up and he is on another level of every Shinobi except Tobi.

And again, It is logical that Naruto win over Sasuke, just by the fact that Rikoduu Sennin picked his younger son to pursue his dream and Naruto is the So6P reincarnation do you want me to write something else ?

 

[Viewtiful]

That was a mistranslation. B said Naruto almost pulled it off during training.

1) Naruto may not be able to use his final Kurama-linked form in a fight with Sasuke
Reason: in the fight with the Hachibi, Sasuke burned the whole Eight-tails using Amaterasu. A fully-transformed Jinchuuriki is just a too big target. No matter how fast, it is just too easy for Sasuke to put him on fire.

If this is the case, Naruto would be limited to the use of the Kyuubi chakra that he has for himself. He would not be able to use the Tailed Beast bomb. But he would be a smaller target, hard to hit with Amaterasu given his speed.[/quote]

It is much too big a target, true. However, there is a different between their transformations in that Naruto hasn't become the beast yet. The chakra he uses can just assume its shape, so it's not like Amaterasu is going to be hurting anyone since it would just be hitting chakra.

He wouldn't be limited. He would still have access to the even more massively OP form he just awakened. and let's not forget the Tailed Beast Rasengan, which he may be able to do now.

2) Without using the Tailed Beast bomb, Naruto cannot directly crack Susanoo
Reason: not much direct evidence. Naruto did not hit Susanoo with Rasenshuriken or even with Oodama Rasengan yet... But if they do not work, then he would have to "pull out" Sasuke from the Susanoo like the Kage's did with Madara. And that's tricky...

Um, are you forgetting that Rasenshuriken slightly damaged and at the very least waylayed the "ultimate shield", the 3rd Raikage? As he is even more powerful now, it is almost certain that unless Sasuke has the Yata Mirror, Rasenshuriken would slice right through it. Heck, danzo managed to do so with his Wind Release.

3) Here is a final thought: whatever you may say about Sasuke, he is a whole lot smarter than Naruto...

Not by much. His intelligence was rated as a 3.5/5 while Naruto's was a 3/5. In any case, Naruto isn't smart in the sense that he knows a ton of things, but smart in that he can force openings in your fighting style by using a bunch of unorthodox or very odd ways and fool you. This worked on even S-class ninja like Kakuzu and Pain. Heck, it worked on Tobi a few chapters ago with him being smart enough to leave a Bunshin inside Son in case Tobi stopped the real him.

And there's always the possibility of Naruto becoming even more OP with the looming possibility of a Sage Mode + Chakra Mode combo.... -shudders-

However, I do think you brought up some good points and presented yourself well. That's better than 90% of the threads made on this site, so well done and +reps.

 

[Prince Charles]

1) If you re-read the Sasuke-Bee fight, then you will see that Bee's clone got burned as well. Bee only escaped because he made a clone, and _that's_ a move that will not work twice.
2) Sure, Naruto has a stamina advantage. But if he is hit _once_ with Amaterasu he is finished.
3) Sure, Naruto has improved a lot. But if you re-read the Sasuke-Deidara fight, for example, you will see that Naruto is nowhere near Sasuke's level of intelligence. And he never has been...

Finally, please keep your emotions under control. Just because I did not like your thread is no reason to abuse me

1. my motions are under control
2.if sasuke get hit once with rasenshuriken his finished so wats ur point?
3.''nowhere near sasukes level of intelligence'' that proves your a fanboy and a troll like i said naruto is intelligent now battle wise so if a clone can figure a kage's weak spot then the original is alot smarter you fail to notice naruto's battle intelligence luk at the fight with pain and kakuzuko he used plenty of smarts in those
you not liking my thread has nothing to do with it you just fail.
and just because his clone got burnt doesnt meen bee did

 

[kevenc]

It is pointless to argue in a Sasuke vs. Naruto thread. Especially when Uchiha Macho is there lolll. Like I said I told him to close this thread so we don't start again and this thread becomes a flame war.

 

[drslim]

That's why I wanted to close this thread so I don't need to debate all over again with your kind.

Now please, let's wait and see what is Sasuke able to do because at the moment Naruto had alots of power up and he is on another level of every Shinobi except Tobi.

And again, It is logical that Naruto win over Sasuke, just by the fact that Rikoduu Sennin picked his younger son to pursue his dream and Naruto is the So6P reincarnation do you want me to write something else ?

Why do you think that Sasuke got any extra powers using the new EMS? If you look at Madara's power, I do not think it's that much different from an ordinary MS. Of course, I may be wrong, but I figured Sasuke would have to work with what he had before. The one thing that changed was the Amaterasu-sword, but that's like shape manipulation.

 

[Prince Charles]

this kid fails i disproved all he threw at me.

 

[kevenc]

Why do you think that Sasuke got any extra powers using the new EMS? If you look at Madara's power, I do not think it's that much different from an ordinary MS. Of course, I may be wrong, but I figured Sasuke would have to work with what he had before. The one thing that changed was the Amaterasu-sword, but that's like shape manipulation.

To be honest, I also think that EMS and MS are very likely and Naruto is stronger than Sasuke but I just want to comfort Sasuke Fanboys