In your opinion, is Naruto already stronger than Hashirama?

[JMannn]

Naruto isnt a close range fighter. He is a all range fighter. He is a great taijutsu user, he has mid-range techs, and he has long range techniques. Naruto in sage mode would pose a threat to hashirama because of his superior reflexes, his frog fu which doesnt have to touch an opponent to damage them, and the rasenshuriken would obliterate mokuton.

You're probably not reading the manga or watching the anime for long time. It has been stated multiple times that Naruto is close-range fighter. And the only two jutsus we know so far, that are long range are Rasenshuriken, and TBB/TBR, and the first is an High-miss technique. The chakra arms give a little more range, but not that much to consider him long-range. Top, he is a close-to-medium range fighter, with a very week medium-to-long techniques.

Oh, and there are no all-range fighters, they have to specialize on something.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Naruto is one spot behind him, but only just I believe

 

[MickNerks]

You're probably not reading the manga or watching the anime for long time. It has been stated multiple times that Naruto is close-range fighter. And the only two jutsus we know so far, that are long range are Rasenshuriken, and TBB/TBR, and the first is an High-miss technique. The chakra arms give a little more range, but not that much to consider him long-range. Top, he is a close-to-medium range fighter, with a very week medium-to-long techniques.

Oh, and there are no all-range fighters, they have to specialize on something.

When i said all range i was stating that he is proficient in close, mid, and long range.. And how is rasenshuriken a high miss technique.. Naruto hasnt missed with that technique yet.. Please show me a page where he missed because i cant recall.. When he fought the raikage he used his chakra arms for a direct hit.. And his chakra arms make him a long range fighter.

Just becuase he only 2 long range techs doesnt mean he;s not a long range fighter.. Onoki only has dust release but he can be classified as a long range fighter.

 

[James Harrsion]

I believe Sage Naruto is on par with Hashirama as both have in-human strength.
I believe Sage Naruto has more chakra reservers then Hashirama
I believe Sage Naruto can with stand Hashirama nature techinques
I believe Sage Naruto > Hashirama
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[JMannn]

When i said all range i was stating that he is proficient in close, mid, and long range.. And how is rasenshuriken a high miss technique.. Naruto hasnt missed with that technique yet.. Please show me a page where he missed because i cant recall.. When he fought the raikage he used his chakra arms for a direct hit.. And his chakra arms make him a long range fighter.

Just becuase he only 2 long range techs doesnt mean he;s not a long range fighter.. Onoki only has dust release but he can be classified as a long range fighter.

Sorry but I will not bother searching for those pages, I don't have that much care for this conversation. But I can assure you he didn't hit Pain 2 times, and he didn't hit Raikage two times, he had to redirection it.

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It says in these page, that it is an imprecise aim technique, and give there's the explanation, read it if you want.

And only having two long-range techniques do states that he is a close range, especially when these are as chakra taxing as they are, it's almost hit or lose, so he really has to beat his opponent in close-range, his best field. And just because Onoki has Dust Relese doesn't mean he is long-range. As I stated there are no all-range, they could have techniques in both fields, but they're always specialists in one field (Neji has the pressure palm, and can throw shurikens, but it's not an all-range, is a close range fighter. Being close-range is not just having close-range techniques, it's being particularly good in that field).

And let me ask you something, did you make this thread to bash on everyone that states that Naruto isn't stronger than Hashirama or even say that we can't know, or were you waiting for some serious discussion on the matter. Please answer this, so I know if I must continue replying.

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[MickNerks]

Sorry but I will not bother searching for those pages, I don't have that much care for this conversation. But I can assure you he didn't hit Pain 2 times, and he didn't hit Raikage two times, he had to redirection it.

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It says in these page, that it is an imprecise aim technique, and give there's the explanation, read it if you want.

And only having two long-range techniques do states that he is a close range, especially when these are as chakra taxing as they are, it's almost hit or lose, so he really has to beat his opponent in close-range, his best field. And just because Onoki has Dust Relese doesn't mean he is long-range. As I stated there are no all-range, they could have techniques in both fields, but they're always specialists in one field (Neji has the pressure palm, and can throw shurikens, but it's not an all-range, is a close range fighter. Being close-range is not just having close-range techniques, it's being particularly good in that field).

And let me ask you something, did you make this thread to bash on everyone that states that Naruto isn't stronger than Hashirama or even say that we can't know, or were you waiting for some serious discussion on the matter. Please answer this, so I know if I must continue replying.

Best regards

There is no such thing as chakra taxing for naruto.lmao he has the most chakra in the manga, following behind Edo madara of course. and he only used 1 rasenshuriken against raikage and he redirected it to hit him, but he only used 1.

I made it to see what people though and to have a serious discussion. The only thing about your comments that disturb me is the fact that you call naruto a close range fighter.. Now if you say naruto is a close range fighter but also can fight long range (because he has 4 long range techniques) then i agree. But you make it seem as though naruto only has taijutsu and basic rasengans like in pt 1.lol

 

[TheGeorge]

I think Hashirama is just the worst match up for Naruto since almost all of narutos powerful moves come from kurama. BM mode probably won't be a problem since hashirama will just suppress it and the clones can be fought with wood clones, only problem would be there speed, but i'm pretty sure that hashi clones can land a hit on them since he was always fighting and more than likely came across a speedster.
SM can be a problem for him to deal with until it runs out of nature chakra, and i think he can only make a limited amount of them (please correct me if i'm wrong). anyway yeah i think that hashi might be able to keep up with them and if not he can just make more clones.
I Think that KM and BM clones might be able to be suppressed of their kyuubi chalra because yamato was able to suppress the kyuubi without that dragon.
Other clones can be easily dealt with.
The Real Naruto will probably go after Hashirama and i really don't think that he himself will be a problem, even if he lands a a couple of hits Hashirama will just regenerate like tsunade.
The toad summons can also be dealt with mokuton.

No I don't think naruto is stronger than hashirama.

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

I would rank Naruto right behind Hashirama until further notice.

This.

We just dont have enough information about the past. We just found out about Hashirama's Wood Dragon, for goodness sake. God knows ALL the jutsu Hashirama had, carrying around all those Kinjutsu Scrolls....

 

[JMannn]

There is no such thing as chakra taxing for naruto.lmao he has the most chakra in the manga, following behind Edo madara of course. and he only used 1 rasenshuriken against raikage and he redirected it to hit him, but he only used 1.

I made it to see what people though and to have a serious discussion. The only thing about your comments that disturb me is the fact that you call naruto a close range fighter.. Now if you say naruto is a close range fighter but also can fight long range (because he has 4 long range techniques) then i agree. But you make it seem as though naruto only has taijutsu and basic rasengans like in pt 1.lol

Lol lto you too. As I stated previously, being a closed-range fighter doesn't mean you can only use close-range techniques, it means it's the field you're more confortable with. I stated also that Naruto had long-range techniques, BUT, being a closed-range fighter, its best tricks are closed range, which Hashirama excells in defending. Of course there's the possibillity that Naruto smash Hashi face with a RasenShuriken, but there's much more sense, that he can't (we're talking about probablities, being that Naruto can use long, doesn't mean they'll work), and as so, there's a much higher probablity that Naruto will have to relly on closed-range techniques, because that's its best field, and so has the best chance with it. But Hashi has a enormous defense against close-range (and while on the matter, in the long-range too, in terms of defense, he was an all-around), so nullifies the odds for Naruto A LOT. And I can't stress this enough, ODDS, PROBABILITY, CHANCES. We're talking hipothetically, not certainly. Of course he could be spammed with 100 TBB, and 200 Rasenshurikens, but there's a higher chance he can't as he is close-range, so the better odds are Hashi would go nuts over him. I'm betting 90:10 against Naruto, and this doesn't mean he will lose, it means I think, and I'm almost sure, in a battle, Hashi will have higher chances of winning.

Did I make myself clear enough? I repeated the same words a lot, but it was with the idea of them finally sticking.

Best regards

 

[MickNerks]

Lol lto you too. As I stated previously, being a closed-range fighter doesn't mean you can only use close-range techniques, it means it's the field you're more confortable with. I stated also that Naruto had long-range techniques, BUT, being a closed-range fighter, its best tricks are closed range, which Hashirama excells in defending. Of course there's the possibillity that Naruto smash Hashi face with a RasenShuriken, but there's much more sense, that he can't (we're talking about probablities, being that Naruto can use long, doesn't mean they'll work), and as so, there's a much higher probablity that Naruto will have to relly on closed-range techniques, because that's its best field, and so has the best chance with it. But Hashi has a enormous defense against close-range (and while on the matter, in the long-range too, in terms of defense, he was an all-around), so nullifies the odds for Naruto A LOT. And I can't stress this enough, ODDS, PROBABILITY, CHANCES. We're talking hipothetically, not certainly. Of course he could be spammed with 100 TBB, and 200 Rasenshurikens, but there's a higher chance he can't as he is close-range, so the better odds are Hashi would go nuts over him. I'm betting 90:10 against Naruto, and this doesn't mean he will lose, it means I think, and I'm almost sure, in a battle, Hashi will have higher chances of winning.

Did I make myself clear enough? I repeated the same words a lot, but it was with the idea of them finally sticking.

Best regards

I understand what you are saying.. I dont completely agree with you. But i do understand you.

 

[startup97]

Yes

 

[KidGamer65]

No, Hashirama is still above Naruto...

 

[EKSITE]

Hashirama is still ahead of naruto in a long shot here's why

Yamato once said his wood style is nothing compared to the 1st hokage but look at how easily he was able to constrict the 4 tails kurama/naruto no effort.

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Well i seen a translation on another website or some where that Hashirama had 5 tail beast under control , but this one doesn't say how many but i wouldn't be suprise if he can summon them like madara does kurama.

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Wood dragon has already beaten kurama.

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Naruto no where near hashirama.

 

[Piratefish]

Here's an argument from the Hashi+Maddy vs Allied Shinobi Forces thread.

I proudly proclaim myself a moron, then, as Naruto, fighting smart (rare occurence, but it HAS happened) could conceivably solo these two.

Take a look at Madara and Naruto's relative speeds (and keep in mind that Madara has the Sharingan, and Naruto is moving linearly, giving him an advantage Hashirama WOULDN'T have):

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Naruto has formed a Bijuudama AND crossed a fair amount of distance in the time it takes Madara to raise his arms a little. Granted, it was all that needed to be done, but it still seems quite obvious that BM Naruto outspeeds Edo Madara by a significant amount, even while moving in a completely linear fashion. Which means he'd outspeed Hashirama even more.

So what if, for example, BM Naruto formed three clones for each of the two Founders, and having all of them create Bijuudamas (Bijuudamae?). If you feel this is unrealistic, have him form only three clones, which he is confirmed to be capable of.

So, if each clone triad rushed their chosen Founder in a triangle formation, how would they counter it?

 

[Theserpent]

Naruto is ****ing pathetic. His ONLY power comes from the nine-tailed fox, so it's not like he is strong, but someone else is strong and he is a conduit. Considering that Harishima already defeated the nine-tails along side Madara their is no way Naruto is his equal.

 

[KingHashirama]

Madara is the reason Naruto hasn't surpassed Hashirama.