[Discussion] In the real world, Sasuke & Madara are right

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Sasuke doesn't care if he is able to change the world. He just wants to be in charge. Sasuke is the single most selfish character in the manga. At least Madara actually wanted to help people


He doesn't want future generations to suffer the effects of a broken world by taking on all the hatred by himself.

You're just biased against him and let that influence what you think, it's unjustly callow and as far from ratiocination as any one person could be.

Unfortunately, it's a trait that's not exclusive to you on here.
 

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It's called a manga for a reason. Kishi hopes to spread the message of love and friendship through Naruto, since he realizes that the world is full of Sasukes and Madaras. It's idealistic, but it's still something we can strive for.
 

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In real life, the "hard working punks" are the ones who are successful. One's who never play the victim card and keep going.

Not all are paragons of good, but few of them lack loyalty or some type of noble characteristics. Even people who are born "successful" but have selfish and evil characteristics usually are not successful in anything besides money.

I'm not exactly sure if this is true, but I get the feeling the Millennial Generation can simply relate to Sasuke more.
 

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He doesn't want future generations to suffer the effects of a broken world by taking on all the hatred by himself.

You're just biased against him and let that influence what you think, it's unjustly callow and as far from ratiocination as any one person could be.

Unfortunately, it's a trait that's not exclusive to you on here.

When has he ever shown concern for another person? He only helps someone as long as they're useful to him. No matter how he wants to justify his actions, which he barely even tries to do, he just wants to be a dictator. I'll freely admit that he is my least favorite character in the manga by far, I even like Sakura, Kiba and Karin more than him, but there's plenty of Sasuke fans that spew crap about him all the time
 

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When has he ever shown concern for another person? He only helps someone as long as they're useful to him. No matter how he wants to justify his actions, which he barely even tries to do, he just wants to be a dictator. I'll freely admit that he is my least favorite character in the manga by far, I even like Sakura, Kiba and Karin more than him, but there's plenty of Sasuke fans that spew crap about him all the time

Just because of what he does? It makes sense though. He's understandable. Even if what he wants isn't necessarily good.
 

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UCHIHA MADARA > > > > SASUKE ....

- you fail to realize that sasuke was Madara's puppet..

- you fail to realize that Sasuke's redeem requires Madara's comeback...

-YOU BETTER PRAY FOR TOBIDARA TO COME BACK AND REVEAL US THE SOCKING TRUTH OF THE TRUE MASKED MAN!
 

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actually, neither view is totally right. there is a little of both in the world. while some people understand each other, others don't. there are plenty of examples that go in both ways. to say either way is totally right is completely fale.
 

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It's called a manga for a reason. Kishi hopes to spread the message of love and friendship through Naruto, since he realizes that the world is full of Sasukes and Madaras. It's idealistic, but it's still something we can strive for.

This, call it cheesy or whatever you want. But this is absolutely correct.

We all need to strive for that.
 

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The power of Love & Friendship in the real world does fail, and God isn't waiting to save the world. In the real world, good people die. And evil wins. Also, in the real world those with merit become leaders. Not just some hard working punk kid in an orange jump suit with a lot of friends.

In the real world you think it's better to kill the leaders of every nation and have every country hate one person in order to achieve peace? or like Madara fool every person on the planet into a fake reality of peace when in fact Madara was deceived and everyone who was told they would realize peace they were actually being made eventually into puppets for a War they want no part of.

Yea right don't think so, Naruto's way of thinking I would think compared to the above would be better then being fooled into a fake peace or I guess you could say every nation rallying against a common enemy which for most of the World was Osama but the World was still the same even with a common enemy to fight no that is not the answer.
 

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When has he ever shown concern for another person? He only helps someone as long as they're useful to him. No matter how he wants to justify his actions, which he barely even tries to do, he just wants to be a dictator. I'll freely admit that he is my least favorite character in the manga by far, I even like Sakura, Kiba and Karin more than him, but there's plenty of Sasuke fans that spew crap about him all the time

Dislike Sasuke all you want but don't let it cloud your judgement.

Sasuke actually did care, he is not some cold hearted beast
-He cared about his parents, his brother. If he hadn't truly cared about them why would you think he became so emotionally f×cked up when he lost them? He also full on stated that Naruto is his best friend. And what do you do when you have a best friend? You care for them. He might not have helped Naruto, but he cared. Otherwise I agree that Sasuke hardly gives a crap about others, but to a certain extent.

Even though he hardly cares about the individuals around him, it does not mean he does not care about the overall condition of the world.
-There is no proof that he plainly wants to rule the world with no care about people. But there is proof that yes, he wants to be a hokage in the shadows. There is proof that yes, he will follow Itachi ' s footsteps and have everyone hate him.

You can presume that he's a dictator who wants only power, but it's not right to think or state it like a fact.
- As of now, your statement of him just wanting to be a dictator is off. If that was the case, it's too random a goal amd contradicts all the things he had learned and reflected from Itachi ' s words, from the kage ' s words, from the Uchiha tablet, from Naruto, from his past sufferings, and from the shinobi world.
I'll elaborate more if needed. Peace.
 

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In the real world, we call people like Sasuke and Madara terrorists, and we kill them.

In the real world what both of them are trying to do is completely impossible.
 

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That's wrong, and comes from the fact that people are naturally pessimistic. First off, the 21st century is the most peaceful era of all, medical advancements are helping save many lives, and things like the Internet help the spread of ideals and allow people to connect like never before. People once persecuted against are finally seeing equality, and, while racism and homophobia still exist, minorities and homosexuals are getting the rights they deserve. The world isn't so dark, ya know, just quit trying so hard to see all the bad in it.
 

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The power of Love & Friendship in the real world does fail, and God isn't waiting to save the world. In the real world, good people die. And evil wins. Also, in the real world those with merit become leaders. Not just some hard working punk kid in an orange jump suit with a lot of friends.

In the real world big brother's don't kill their parents and send their little brothers through the depths of hell so they can get stronger or do better off in the world by hate and then try to make it up in the end. In the same real world, those same little brothers don't try and kill their best friends either. You know what else? In that same real world, those hard working "punks" end up so much more successful in the world with their friends and support system than the ones who chose to be alone in darkness with only one imaginary friend (Susanoo). You know what else happens in the real world? Real stuff
 

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Nah sasuke and madara are wrong, nagato was right

Nagato was wrong.

His idea was "Let me blow up this nation. And then I'll let the other nations blow each other up"
 

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UCHIHA MADARA > > > > SASUKE ....

- you fail to realize that sasuke was Madara's puppet..

- you fail to realize that Sasuke's redeem requires Madara's comeback...

-YOU BETTER PRAY FOR TOBIDARA TO COME BACK AND REVEAL US THE SOCKING TRUTH OF THE TRUE MASKED MAN!

Please don't bring your crackpot theories into other threads, thanks.
 

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In the real world dictators commit mass murder and unspeakable atrocities.
 
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That's why we're all living currently under tyranny and dictatorship. God, these Sasuke fans...
 

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wow... you are one emo kid, narutoblitz.
 
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