In no way is this a bashing thread....hinata discussion

[Natsu Shazneel]

It amazes me that people claim Hinata's training was motivated by anything other than her desire to be acknowledged by or be worthy of Naruto.

When you have a father who treats you like shit. You aspire from other people to get strength to move forward.

 

[NineSNS]

When you have a father who treats you like shit. You aspire from other people to get strength to move forward.

I'm not denying that she was looked down upon by her clan. Only saying that her focus and motivation was Naruto.

One of the OP's points was that Hinata didn't have other goals. It's the way Kishi chose to write her character (and Sakura's character.)

I think it's unfortunate that both of them weren't depicted as having another goal that was just as important to them as getting their guys.

 

[IcyStar]

Looking back at the entire Naruto series there's a lot of things that kishimoto could of done better......I just hope that in the future like the dbz creator, and the creator of Harry Potter......kishimoto could come out and apologize to huge dedicated fans about his mistakes

He needs to rest. He needs a vacation. I doubt he will even apologize though.

 

[marty2323]

Hinata for sure (like most other females) needed more development. She's not even stronger than part 1 neji

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

I'm not denying that she was looked down upon by her clan. Only saying that her focus and motivation was Naruto.

One of the OP's points was that Hinata didn't have other goals. It's the way Kishi chose to write her character (and Sakura's character.)

I think it's unfortunate that both of them weren't depicted as having another goal that was just as important to them as getting their guys.

If you watch the last her goal changed to saving her sister. Hinata's issue was her lack of screen time. Otherwise she had loads of potiential. Her family is one aspect that could have been worked on.

 

[SaskeyUchihahahaTard]

Princess Byakugan loves your tears.

 

[Haloguy2710]

you mad you aint as cool as hinata princess

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

I Read the OP until he said if Hinata died, Naruto would've only been a bit sad.

*flashback of Naruto going 9 tails vs Pain*

Yeahhhhhh. No.

Also just realised the name was "NaruSaku". Yeah. You should be shot tbh.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

It amazes me that people claim Hinata's training was motivated by anything other than her desire to be acknowledged by or be worthy of Naruto.

............Except if you read the manga, it's not the sole reason. :|

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Did Hinata want to get approval from Naruto? Of course. But to say that Naruto's approval is the only reason she does anything is a gross exaggeration. One of the reasons why she improved was for the sole sake of improving. Why do you think there was such wording as "When I look at Naruto, I feel courage.. I feel if I try my best, even I can do it. That I am worth something. That is how I feel,"? Naruto was her inspiration. His approval is a big factor, but not the only one. Hinata basically used Naruto's ideal as a model for her to improve herself and live in a way she can be proud of. It amazing me that critics don't have the attention span to look at all the details, and simplify a character's motivation to simply romantic intentions only.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

............Except if you read the manga, it's not the sole reason. :|

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Did Hinata want to get approval from Naruto? Of course. But to say that Naruto's approval is the only reason she does anything is a gross exaggeration. One of the reasons why she improved was for the sole sake of improving. Why do you think there was such wording as "When I look at Naruto, I feel courage.. I feel if I try my best, even I can do it. That I am worth something. That is how I feel,"? Naruto was her inspiration, not the only reason why she does everything.

Your thoughts on how Hinata did in the Last?

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Your thoughts on how Hinata did in the Last?

Hm, ok. Her moments were good, and it kind of shoots anyone that says she's a shallow character in the foot. She gave a false impression to Naruto that she doesn't love him to save her sister. That's delicious when you consider the main critique for her is that she only cares about Naruto, or that he's everything to her. I would have liked her to have a more active role in the battle against Toneri, so that's why I say it's ok rather than great. Her characterization=fine. How she's treated in the battles=alright.

 

[Shruikan]

Yup.She was mostly irrelevant throughout the series.She was mostly created for being Nardo's wife as much as people keep pulling the other scraps of evidence saying she had other goals which is irrelevant as she almost entirely revolves around Naruto

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Yup.She was mostly irrelevant throughout the series.She was mostly created for being Nardo's wife as much as people keep pulling the other scraps of evidence saying she had other goals which is irrelevant as she almost entirely revolves around Naruto

And this is a problem how? I keep hearing this, but people have never fully explained how this is a character flaw. Her moments involve Naruto. Fine, she's a side character, and her team in particular hasn't gotten the spotlight very much. It's like coming up with a complain that "Naruto revolved around Sasuke", "Sasuke revolved around Itachi", and "Kakashi revolved around Obito." Yet, there seems to be an overwhelming lack of people whining about these characters having a primary motivation revolving around a character, and these are main characters. People try to portray Hinata as shallow. These "scrapes" disprove that. It's fine if you don't like the fact that her moments have Naruto as the center, but obviously, if someone's going to say that this makes Hinata shallow, then yes, we're going to show you how that's an improper grasp of the character. Also, the Last laughs at this mentality.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Hm, ok. Her moments were good, and it kind of shoots anyone that says she's a shallow character in the foot. She gave a false impression to Naruto that she doesn't love him to save her sister. That's delicious when you consider the main critique for her is that she only cares about Naruto, or that he's everything to her. I would have liked her to have a more active role in the battle against Toneri, so that's why I say it's ok rather than great. Her characterization=fine. How she's treated in the battles=alright.

I personally did not care if she never battled in the movie. I think her role as a heroine was played off beautifully. Sometimes you don't need battle feats to acknowledge a character. Naruto played that role pretty well. The movie was already Hinata centric. It made her seem very important. I personally loved it. My most favorite part was when they both combined there chakara to do a lion head rasengan. It gave away a love conquers all feel to it. Would have loved to see these two interact that way through out the manga honestly. Its unfortunate it only happen in one movie.

 

[Shruikan]

And this is a problem how? I keep hearing this, but people have never fully explained how this is a character flaw. Her moments involve Naruto. Fine, she's a side character, and her team in particular hasn't gotten the spotlight very much. It's like coming up with a complain that "Naruto revolved around Sasuke", "Sasuke revolved around Itachi", and "Kakashi revolved around Obito."

These characters actually have fights,are bad ass and are not one dimensional.Not to mention,they are not weak and weakness bores me to death.So if a character has romance traits primarily,they are pairing fodder to me.

Yet, there seems to be an overwhelming lack of people whining about these characters having a primary motivation revolving around a character, and these are main characters. People try to portray Hinata as shallow. These "scrapes" disprove that. It's fine if you don't like the fact that her moments have Naruto as the center, but obviously, if someone's going to say that this makes Hinata shallow, then yes, we're going to show you how that's an improper grasp of the character. Also, the Last laughs at this mentality.

Theres similar "scrapes" for Sakura which the fan base keeps picking out when people clearly point out she is all about Sasuke which is the truth.Obito has more to him than Rin yet the Rin obsession will keep coming out inspite of there being other reasons for his behaviour etc etc.So in the end it is the overall impression I see about a character which matters and thats that almost all the girls are pairing fodder one way or another.

I see the sum of the whole rather than the parts to put it simply

The Last doesnt interest me as it was primarily designed to be a Hinata movie to do some damage control for the lack of screen time and development in the manga.Naruto was painfully nerfed to allow her to be developed.Therefore I dont care for such evidence.If you want to parade around with her feats in the movie (which funnily enough most of which will/was never even corraborated in the manga) than lets stop arguing here itself

 

[Sennin of Logic]

I personally did not care if she never battled in the movie. I think her role as a heroine was played off beautifully. Sometimes you don't need battle feats to acknowledge a character. Naruto played that role pretty well. The movie was already Hinata centric. It made her seem very important. I personally loved it. My most favorite part was when they both combined there chakara to do a lion head rasengan. It gave away a love conquers all feel to it. Would have loved to see these two interact that way through out the manga honestly. Its unfortunate it only happen in one movie.

The whole series would have been better if Sakura and Hinata were one opposite teams. Seriously, it would have benefited both characters immensely. If Kishi really was planning the Ootsutsuki (which, considering Ashura and Indra were introduced in the kage arc, they probably were), then team 7 would have been better if all the students were Ootsutsuki descendants. That way, the entire team could have had rikkudo powers with no forced teamwork.

The biggest problem I have with Sakura isn't her relationship with Sasuke (although it is bad). The biggest problem for Sakura is that she's a normal girl on a team of demigods. Even early on, Naruto had a superweapon monster, and Sasuke had incredible eye powers. There was no way Sakura was ever going to live up to them as a fellow MC. This wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the fact that one of Naruto's themes is teamwork. The end result is that Sakura is shoehorned in battles that she can't reasonably contribute. The end result? The Kaguya arc (shudders). That was really when I went for simply not caring for Sakura, to disliking her. If she were on Kurenai's team, she wouldn't have to live up to the theme, and thus, one of Sakura's problems is gone. Also, she was a genjutsu type, and Kurenai is a genjutsu specialist..........:| Are you serious Kishi?! You set her up for genjutsu, and had a potential teacher in that area that could giver her interesting abilities to effect other's minds, but you instead made Tsunade her teacher and turned her into a terrible she-hulk!

Just. If only right?

These characters actually have fights,are bad ass and are not one dimensional.Not to mention,they are not weak and weakness bores me to death.So if a character has romance traits primarily,they are pairing fodder to me.

Sorry, but "weak" isn't a character flaw, especially for a side character. You shouldn't have the expectation that she'll be able to fight the top-tiers anyway.

Theres similar "scrapes" for Sakura which the fan base keeps picking out when people clearly point out she is all about Sasuke which is the truth.Obito has more to him than Rin yet the Rin obsession will keep coming out inspite of there being other reasons for his behaviour etc etc.So in the end it is the overall impression I see about a character which matters and thats that almost all the girls are pairing fodder one way or another.

Well then in all honesty, they should be considered as well. Regardless, my point about Naruto, Sasuke, and Kakashi having something similar, and no one complains still stands.

I see the sum of the whole rather than the parts to put it simply

By looking only at what you perceive as bad, while ignoring the kinks in your perception?

The Last doesnt interest me as it was primarily designed to be a Hinata movie to do some damage control for the lack of screen time and development in the manga.Naruto was painfully nerfed to allow her to be developed.Therefore I dont care for such evidence.If you want to parade around with her feats in the movie (which funnily enough most of which will/was never even corraborated in the manga) than lets stop arguing here itself

Agreed, if you have this mentality, you can't be reasoned with. You've basically just said to me that you're not interested in the Last's characterization of Hinata because it solves the problems you had with her. This sounds disturbingly like you want to hold on to your negative feelings for Hinata, so you want to cut yourself off from what might give you a positive feeling for her.

 

[Rohan]

The end result is that Sakura is shoehorned in battles that she can't reasonably contribute. The end result? The Kaguya arc (shudders).

Please do remember that Sakura played two major roles in that battle without which Kaguya would have never been defeated.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Please do remember that Sakura played two major roles in that battle without which Kaguya would have never been defeated.

Yes, both of which makes no sense, which is the problem.

1. Sakura acting as the chaka battery for Obito when a Naruto clone couldn't. Oh boy. Somehow, the Yin seal apparently now has more chakra than a rikkudo senjutsu fragment. Just wow.

2. That punch. Ugh. That should have never happened. She should not have been able to hit Kaguya, and Kaguya should have A. Seen her. B. Plowed through her, because apparently the goddes of chakra, with the strongest senjutsu, is weaker than CET.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

The whole series would have been better if Sakura and Hinata were one opposite teams. Seriously, it would have benefited both characters immensely. If Kishi really was planning the Ootsutsuki (which, considering Ashura and Indra were introduced in the kage arc, they probably were), then team 7 would have been better if all the students were Ootsutsuki descendants. That way, the entire team could have had rikkudo powers with no forced teamwork.

The biggest problem I have with Sakura isn't her relationship with Sasuke (although it is bad). The biggest problem for Sakura is that she's a normal girl on a team of demigods. Even early on, Naruto had a superweapon monster, and Sasuke had incredible eye powers. There was no way Sakura was ever going to live up to them as a fellow MC. This wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the fact that one of Naruto's themes is teamwork. The end result is that Sakura is shoehorned in battles that she can't reasonably contribute. The end result? The Kaguya arc (shudders). That was really when I went for simply not caring for Sakura, to disliking her. If she were on Kurenai's team, she wouldn't have to live up to the theme, and thus, one of Sakura's problems is gone. Also, she was a genjutsu type, and Kurenai is a genjutsu specialist..........:| Are you serious Kishi?! You set her up for genjutsu, and had a potential teacher in that area that could giver her interesting abilities to effect other's minds, but you instead made Tsunade her teacher and turned her into a terrible she-hulk!

Just. If only right?

I actually agree. I have said so myself in the past many times. But you know that would break the love traingle Kishi was trying to go with. Also making pairings a bit obvious. Sasuke got the importance as a character by having both Naruto and Sakura caring for him etc.

But on the bright side we would get many interactions with NaruHina that would lead to something than ending in nothing. This movie showed how great this manga would be if it happen.

 

[Dannie]

It amazes me that people claim Hinata's training was motivated by anything other than her desire to be acknowledged by or be worthy of Naruto.

True, Naruto was a huge part in her desire to get stronger, but Naruto was not the only reason why she decided to train. Her fathers negligence and her strength compared to her sister is another reason why she decides to train.

And honestly, even if Hinata's only reason for getting stronger is to be acknowledged by Naruto, what exactly is wrong with that?
Naruto is not a bad guy, and Naruto never showed Hinata any reason for not getting his acknowledgement, so what exactly is the problem?

You have a problem with an innocent hesitant girl who admires and acknowledges someone who treats everyone with kindness, but you condone the idea of some girl to keep chasing after a boy that has done nothing but destroy her character?

That's very funny and pathetic at the same time.