In Naruto, generation has nothing to do with power

[Joseph Gomes]

It's said somewhere in Naruto that next generation will surpass the current one. I disagree

Hashirama's generation had more OP character's than Hiruzen's generation. So we see that power of each generation in NV fluctuates over time.

Now with the reincarnation BS, the concept of generation is now insignificant

Konohamaru in future could be stronger than Naruto, or he might be much weaker. We can't say for sure

Your opinion?

 

[Sageflash]

Hashirama's generation is still the strongest apart from Naruto and Sasuke.

I don't know who perpetuated that myth, but they were smoking banana peels when they said the next generation is automatically superior to the last.

 

[GokuEn]

I don't see how Konohamaru will be stronger than Naruto XD

OT: Your right that theme went out the window once reincarnations appeared

 

[ShadowACS]

Nice opinion..... is true

Konohamaru will be weaker for sure.....

 

[Stacks]

Right now, Naruto and Sasuke are stronger than past Madara and Hashirama

 

[RNITBmsage]

if you take the reincarnations out of the equation its somewhat true

 

[Gagster]

Nope, Hiruzen surpassed Hashi and Tobi. Manga fax.

 

[whoami28]

I believe that statement that each succeeding generation surpasses the previous one is the fact that the old generation teaches the new one. So Naruto and Sasuke's generation learn some of the techniques of their father's and grandfather's generation as well as their weaknesses. Much of the 'power' that goes along with things like Hashirama's Wood Style or Tobirama's FTG is the novelty and uniqueness of them. Shinobi of the leaf born after them and who learn from them are able to better counter these jutsus, and thus improve the average skill level of the village shinobi.

 

[Young Vongola]

I don't think it was necessarily talking about strength, but in terms of understanding each other and reaching true peace

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Nope, Hiruzen surpassed Hashi and Tobi. Manga fax.

Naruto manga contradicts itself too much, unfortunately. Lots of earlier statements has been retconned in shippuden. Pity

 

[Beans2]

I will explain this from an economic perspective...

In the era of warring states, clans like the Uchiha and the Senju were constantly fighting each other. The standard of living was rather low, and most men became shinobi (some women too?) Everyone was always fighting, all the time. Glory in battle was more important to them than building each other up and constructing towns. They specialized in fighting and developed techniques to enhance their abilities. They were therefore superior to future generations which enjoyed the luxuries of village life, and whose lifestyle was not completely based off fighting for survival. Also note that the feudal lords drastically downsized the number of shinobi in the Hidden Villages after the Third ninja war, so there are fewer shinobi, and therefore less competition between villages (the downsizing of shinobi was explained by the Land of Wind's feudal lord before Suna invaded Konoha in Part I, and also by Onoki during the 5 kage summit.)

So therefore, Hashirama's generation was the strongest; not because they were inherently stronger or better, but because the circumstances of their time dictated that battle strength was the most important thing to have.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

I believe that statement that each succeeding generation surpasses the previous one is the fact that the old generation teaches the new one. So Naruto and Sasuke's generation learn some of the techniques of their father's and grandfather's generation as well as their weaknesses. Much of the 'power' that goes along with things like Hashirama's Wood Style or Tobirama's FTG is the novelty and uniqueness of them. Shinobi of the leaf born after them and who learn from them are able to better counter these jutsus, and thus improve the average skill level of the village shinobi.

I strongly disagree. Hiruzen and Danzo pretty much ****ed up whole shinobi world. And there are crazy people like Obito in every generation. That statement was referring to power, I believe. Because it's been stated multiple times that Shinobi world will never improve, which means nobody hasn't really learnt anything from the past. That's why Madara is working on project tsuki nome.

 

[Yuse]

every generation improve a little in understanding one another thats my guess

 

[Joseph Gomes]

I will explain this from an economic perspective...

In the era of warring states, clans like the Uchiha and the Senju were constantly fighting each other. The standard of living was rather low, and most men became shinobi (some women too?) Everyone was always fighting, all the time. Glory in battle was more important to them than building each other up and constructing towns. They specialized in fighting and developed techniques to enhance their abilities. They were therefore superior to future generations which enjoyed the luxuries of village life, and whose lifestyle was not completely based off fighting for survival. Also note that the feudal lords drastically downsized the number of shinobi in the Hidden Villages after the Third ninja war, so there are fewer shinobi, and therefore less competition between villages (the downsizing of shinobi was explained by the Land of Wind's feudal lord before Suna invaded Konoha in Part I, and also by Onoki during the 5 kage summit.)

So therefore, Hashirama's generation was the strongest; not because they were inherently stronger or better, but because the circumstances of their time dictated that battle strength was the most important thing to have.

Yeah, it's funny how some bold statements in Naruto are contradicted gradually over time.

But the reincarnation is such BS I just can't accept it...it really kills the generation argument

 

[whoami28]

I strongly disagree. Hiruzen and Danzo pretty much ****ed up whole shinobi world. And there are crazy people like Obito in every generation. That statement was referring to power, I believe. Because it's been stated multiple times that Shinobi world will never improve, which means nobody hasn't really learnt anything from the past. That's why Madara is working on project tsuki nome.

I don't understand what you mean. You refer to Hiruzen, Danzo and Obito screwing up the shinobi world, this would signal that power has increased over time, since these individuals, at least Obito, has been shown to outsmart and out skill most shinobis up until the point where they could actually figure out his techniques. No one learned from him, thus for a significant amount of time no one surpassed him, a key reason he was the main villain. Hiruzen and Danzo was supposedly (I know this will be contested) one of the strongest Hokage, and even if you don't believe this, he was also considered the strongest Kage of his generation, a testament to the quality of Leaf shinobi. If you consider jutsu similar to technology in our modern world, we build on what we know from the past, leading to greater technical skill of future generations.

 

[Cwill94]

Nice opinion..... is true

Konohamaru will be weaker for sure.....

Only chance he has is if naruto make him the next in line to be kurama's jinchuriki

 

[soulless uchiha]

Take out the reincarnations. Besides, none of the Konoha 11 are above 30 years old. They're not even at there peak. Also, most of the people we've heard of were kages. They're supposed to be strong.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

I don't understand what you mean. You refer to Hiruzen, Danzo and Obito screwing up the shinobi world, this would signal that power has increased over time, since these individuals, at least Obito, has been shown to outsmart and out skill most shinobis up until the point where they could actually figure out his techniques. No one learned from him, thus for a significant amount of time no one surpassed him, a key reason he was the main villain. Hiruzen and Danzo was supposedly (I know this will be contested) one of the strongest Hokage, and even if you don't believe this, he was also considered the strongest Kage of his generation, a testament to the quality of Leaf shinobi. If you consider jutsu similar to technology in our modern world, we build on what we know from the past, leading to greater technical skill of future generations.

You're a believer of the hiruzen hype?

 

[whoami28]

You're a believer of the hiruzen hype?

No, but I believe he is an intelligent shinobi who knows the techniques of his predecessors and can likely think of reasonable counters to them. He is not Hokage for no reason. I don't believe he could defeat Madara, and would struggle against powerful shinobi who he has know knowledge of. You are completely avoiding my argument. Intelligence is what makes each succeeding generation stronger, which is why shinobi who are older, or who have died and been reincarnated often compliment the younger generation's abilities precisely because they are the ones who taught and sparred against these youths, handing down jutsu for them to improve upon.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Take out the reincarnations. Besides, none of the Konoha 11 are above 30 years old. They're not even at there peak. Also, most of the people we've heard of were kages. They're supposed to be strong.

I take out the reincarnations for the sake of argument

Do you believe someone from Konohamaru's generation can be as skilled as Itachi or Kakashi? None of the kids of Konohamaru's age has shown the skill of kid kakashi or itachi. Kakashi became a jonin at the age of 7, where Itachi became an anbu captain when he was 13. Which shows that Konohamaru's generation will likely be weaker than current and former generations