In my opinion Minato and Tobirama are related

[Narutobirama]

If i found out minato was senju, that wowuld be some bs. Doesnt need those genes to be great.

But it would at least slightly explain why he was so great. He came out of nowhere and was far above any Shinobi that lived during his time, excluding Madara and Obito.

 

[darkprince]

I thought about that too at some point when tobirama and minato were reincarnated but since manga didn't show much to prove that I didn't give it much thought.
However I think they are related, in my opinion.

 

[Gold Lightning]

But it would at least slightly explain why he was so great. He came out of nowhere and was far above any Shinobi that lived during his time, excluding Madara and Obito.

And thats why he's awesome. I hate all that inheritance/genes/elite clan nonsense.

Being a senju doesnt explain anything. A proper backstory does, which kishi failed to do.

 

[KesOnFire]

Related with speed maybe hahahahahaha

 

[SatanicGod]

The fact that they are both the kind of people that assess the situation and analyze.

The fact that they both use Hiraishin.

They also both sensed 20 enemies by placing their fingers on the ground at some point in their lives.

They are both very talented.

The Hokage titles were said to stay in Senju hands, except Hiruzen, who was also a close student of two most important Senju.

They both worked really well together.

They were both the fastest Shinobi during their time.

They were both Hokage.

Minato has light Yellow hair. It might be lighter because of Tobirama's hair.

Both died sacrificing themselves.

Minato's parents were never shown, so we don't know if Namikaze are related to the Senju.

Obviously, I am not saying that this couldn't happen if they weren't related. But especially in Naruto, these kinds of things are often a sign.

1. So is Kakashi and a few other shinobi
2. I guess Jiraiya and Konohamaru are related as well
3. That's a standard sensory technique
4. Every talented person is related now??
5. Scans of when this was stated please
6. Jiraiya and Tsunade work well together, so do Choji and Shikamaru
7. ... Not even gonna bother with this point
8. I'm hoping this one is a joke
9. "Light yellow hair" yet Tobirama has white hair, and Minato doesn't even look remotely close to Tobirama
10. So did Hiruzen, Obito, and Haku
11. So basically you are hoping that Senju have many clans related to it? And Kushina's, Obito's, Sakumo's, and many other characters parents weren't shown either, guess they have possible connections to Senju :bdpf:
12. No no Kishi wanted Minato to be a character who got strong on his own merit, not from having a crutch called a special clan

 

[Thundergod123]

It was never stated but in my opinion, they are.

It is true that both of them share techniques similarities doesn't mean they are blood related, because Minato is not a Senju. Minato only developed FTG and made his own style and level, while Tobirama was a Senju who relied on Forbidden jutsus, for example most of the jutsus that Tobirama spent his time got developed by Orochimaru and Kabuto.
So, does it make sense now? Exactly, shinobis gets inspired and evolve things they want to use, not because people are related to another.

 

[SatanicGod]

And thats why he's awesome. I hate all that inheritance/genes/elite clan nonsense.

Being a senju doesnt explain anything. A proper backstory does, which kishi failed to do.

He was just a random person who worked and studied hard to get to the level he is at now

 

[Gold Lightning]

He was just a random person who worked and studied hard to get to the level he is at now

Yep, a random who appears once in a generation as stated by jiraya. Id rather he be some random than a senju or some other nonsense op clan

 

[Relostar Devil]

Tobirama incarnated in minatos form

 

[Narutobirama]

1. So is Kakashi and a few other shinobi
2. I guess Jiraiya and Konohamaru are related as well
3. That's a standard sensory technique
4. Every talented person is related now??
5. Scans of when this was stated please
6. Jiraiya and Tsunade work well together, so do Choji and Shikamaru
7. ... Not even gonna bother with this point
8. I'm hoping this one is a joke
9. "Light yellow hair" yet Tobirama has white hair, and Minato doesn't even look remotely close to Tobirama
10. So did Hiruzen, Obito, and Haku
11. So basically you are hoping that Senju have many clans related to it? And Kushina's, Obito's, Sakumo's, and many other characters parents weren't shown either, guess they have possible connections to Senju :bdpf:
12. No no Kishi wanted Minato to be a character who got strong on his own merit, not from having a crutch called a special clan

Your reply is not different from what I am saying because you are not countering my point.

I am not saying that each of these similarities alone supports my idea. It is all these facts together, that support my idea.

For example, there are people who share some similarity but are there any who share even close to all these similarities.

 

[ChicagoJhawk]

It was never stated but in my opinion, they are.

That's some strong evidence you have going for you. Not sure how to counter it...

 

[SenseiSama]

Minato's FTG wasn't meant to suggest they're related but rather that his jutsu would have been what an Uzumaki would have used or developed be cause he was taught sealing jutsu by Kushina. And Tobirama was good at sealing jutsu because he was distantly related to Uzumaki

 

[Narutobirama]

That's some strong evidence you have going for you. Not sure how to counter it...

I added reasons in another post. Also, basically, I am saying that there is so much similarity between them, that it is possible it was made intentionally to show that they are related to each other. Just like people when speculated Naruto was Minato's son because they both had blonde hair and Minato sealed Kurama inside him.

 

[Lariatoo]

Nah. Making Minato a Senju kind of diminishes his own accomplishments...
He was a Namikaze with no relationship to Tobirama.

 

[Darkakatsuki]

Opinion dose not count against facts and the facts of the Manga dose not support your believes. Over the years some fan faction writhers have suggested that Minato is the son of Tsunade and Dan or Tsunade and Jiraiya and Kishi has said no to such speculation just because you can used a jutsu dose not mean you are related. Sakura can use some of Tsunade’s jutsu dose that mean She is Tsunade’s granddaughter? No, it dose not.

And what manga facts are these that you speak of? Coz last time I checked, the manga neither confirmed nor denied their relation to each other, so please, tell me what are these irrefutable facts that you speak of?

And while we're at it, let me give you some manga FACTS that support the OPINION that Minato might be a senju/Tobirama relative.

1)

The obvious one is the fact that they both use FTG, especially when you consider that such techniques are normally past on to relatives, kinda like how Jiraiya passed on rasengan to Naruto because he is Minato's son, despite Naruto not knowing that he is in fact related to Minato. This is a possible and likely scenario that Minato was given access to this jutsu because of family relation, otherwise how do you explain why it was passed on to him specifically and no-one else?


2)

Physical build, appearance, hair style, and personality/intellectual/way of thinking. Character traits that can be passed on through genetics.


3)

Chakra levels. Minato displayed chakra levels unheard of from supposedly non-senju/Uzumaki people. FTG required three elite jonin (Minato's bodyguards) to teleport one person and yet Minato and Tobirama teleport themselves and others without any effort whatsoever. That's insane chakra right there, not to mention how many times Minato actually teleports and the size of the things he teleports (bijuu dama and kyubi).


4)

Durability - Minato took a claw through the stomach from Kyubi like boss, stopped Kyubi's movements, didn't flinch and went on to execute high level jutsu after the fact, enough said.


5)

Kyubi hosting - it was explicitly stated that only Uzumaki/Senju can host the kyubi, Minato not only hosted it but became a PERFECT jinchuuriki. That's Senju level no matter how you wana look it. In case you're in denial. Before you go the whole 'edo' excuse, that's not valid, Madara explicitly stated that edo bodies are weaker than normal bodies, and he even said he needed his human body to become a jinchuuriki. Tobirama also stated that edos are weaker than normal bodies. This means that Minato was able to control kyubi already when he was still alive, and if he mastered it as an edo, then that's an even greater achievement.


6)

Sage Mode - Minato, it was stated by Pa that you need incredible chakra to even learn sage mode (this supports the senju chakra levels) but Minato took it further and mastered sage mode and became a perfect sage like his Uzumaki son and unlike Jiraiya. So far only people with Senju dna have mastered sage mode without help. Kabuto even directly stated that he needed to implant Karin's dna (Uzumaki/Senju) in order to master sage mode (Jugo's was needed to gather it passively at all times, not master it, in fact Jugo himself aint mastered it).


7)

Kyubi said that the seal that Naruto used to seal him was the sage of six path's seal, the fact that Minato has the same sage-like jinchuuriki mode suggests he used the exact same seal. That's a direct link to the sop, especially when u consider everything kyubi related Naruto got was plotted out by Minato.


8)

Children of prophesy - the are only three children of prophesy, and two of them are confirmed senju descendends, the other one, Minato, has HEAVY senju forshadowing (being a prophesy child being forshadowing in itself considering that the prophesy concerns the descendents of the sage) of being a senju.


9)

Tobi said that all the Hokage are related/linked to the Senju, and out of the seven of them, four are confirmed senju descendends.


10)

Uzumaki clan had a marriage treaty alliance with the Senju in which Mito married Hashirama, how Ironic that Minato, a Hokage linked to the Senju, like Hashirama, married the last known living Uzumaki at the time.


11) Chakra sensing:

Both displayed ridiculous chakra sensing feats of equal magnitude, that being sensing Madara and Naruto and even identifying particular details about their chakra from literally countries away as they were still in Konoha. This is an even greater feat when you consider that the last time Tobirama would have sensed Madara is BEFORE the Senju implants. It was clearly revealed as a manga fact that a person's chakra signature changes due to chakra implants. Minato showed a similar feat when he was able to sense that Madara's SOP form was stronger than Obito's, especially considering that Naruto in sage mode had said that the juubi's chakra was immeasurable/Kurama said so too.

More importantly regarding this category is the style/method/technique they both used to track a number of enemies during their respective wars, that being of placing the finger on the earth and identifying the number of enemies and their strength. This is a particular technique that only the two of them have been shown using.

Conclusion:

EVERYTHING about Minato SUGGESTS or FORSHADOWS a Senju/Tobirama lineage. Of course, it is not CONFIRMED by the manga, I agree with you on that. But if you believe it is not likely, or it is not IMPLIED or FORSHADOWED, then you are batshit crazy and should be checked into a mental asylum asap.

 

[Darkakatsuki]

1. So is Kakashi and a few other shinobi
2. I guess Jiraiya and Konohamaru are related as well
3. That's a standard sensory technique
4. Every talented person is related now??
5. Scans of when this was stated please
6. Jiraiya and Tsunade work well together, so do Choji and Shikamaru
7. ... Not even gonna bother with this point
8. I'm hoping this one is a joke
9. "Light yellow hair" yet Tobirama has white hair, and Minato doesn't even look remotely close to Tobirama
10. So did Hiruzen, Obito, and Haku
11. So basically you are hoping that Senju have many clans related to it? And Kushina's, Obito's, Sakumo's, and many other characters parents weren't shown either, guess they have possible connections to Senju :bdpf:
12. No no Kishi wanted Minato to be a character who got strong on his own merit, not from having a crutch called a special clan

Your post is incredibly stupid. You may have thought you were displaying your intellect by isolating those traits and seperately debunking them, but you only exposed yourself as a troll or an idiot, possibly both.

Why? Because everybody with a decent IQ knows that those traits in isolation are meaningless, it is the fact the ALL OF THEM exist between TWO SPECIFIC individuals that makes them relevant. That is what makes it a forshadowing/implied reality rather than each trait individually.

Basically, you're still in grade one while the thread is matriculating already.

 

[ChicagoJhawk]

I added reasons in another post. Also, basically, I am saying that there is so much similarity between them, that it is possible it was made intentionally to show that they are related to each other. Just like people when speculated Naruto was Minato's son because they both had blonde hair and Minato sealed Kurama inside him.

My bad. Didn't see the other post and was confused to why u never offered an explanation. I see now

 

[Great Master Minato]

They're similar not related. (due to the fact that Kishi copy-paste Minato's fighting style for Tobirama.)

 

[Honord Sage]

Which is why I said it is opinion not fact. If it was fact, you would be in a position in which it would be smart to accept it as true. But because it is opinion, you can decide for yourself and have your own opinion.

You still don’t get it opinions don’t matter against facts ask a lawyer, a law man, a doctor or a Scientist and they will tell you the same without proof an option s nothing not worth discussing its dead a bow moment has more validity than an opinion.

 

[Honord Sage]

And what manga facts are these that you speak of? Coz last time I checked, the manga neither confirmed nor denied their relation to each other, so please, tell me what are these irrefutable facts that you speak of?

And while we're at it, let me give you some manga FACTS that support the OPINION that Minato might be a senju/Tobirama relative.

1)

The obvious one is the fact that they both use FTG, especially when you consider that such techniques are normally past on to relatives, kinda like how Jiraiya passed on rasengan to Naruto because he is Minato's son, despite Naruto not knowing that he is in fact related to Minato. This is a possible and likely scenario that Minato was given access to this jutsu because of family relation, otherwise how do you explain why it was passed on to him specifically and no-one else?


2)

Physical build, appearance, hair style, and personality/intellectual/way of thinking. Character traits that can be passed on through genetics.


3)

Chakra levels. Minato displayed chakra levels unheard of from supposedly non-senju/Uzumaki people. FTG required three elite jonin (Minato's bodyguards) to teleport one person and yet Minato and Tobirama teleport themselves and others without any effort whatsoever. That's insane chakra right there, not to mention how many times Minato actually teleports and the size of the things he teleports (bijuu dama and kyubi).


4)

Durability - Minato took a claw through the stomach from Kyubi like boss, stopped Kyubi's movements, didn't flinch and went on to execute high level jutsu after the fact, enough said.


5)

Kyubi hosting - it was explicitly stated that only Uzumaki/Senju can host the kyubi, Minato not only hosted it but became a PERFECT jinchuuriki. That's Senju level no matter how you wana look it. In case you're in denial. Before you go the whole 'edo' excuse, that's not valid, Madara explicitly stated that edo bodies are weaker than normal bodies, and he even said he needed his human body to become a jinchuuriki. Tobirama also stated that edos are weaker than normal bodies. This means that Minato was able to control kyubi already when he was still alive, and if he mastered it as an edo, then that's an even greater achievement.


6)

Sage Mode - Minato, it was stated by Pa that you need incredible chakra to even learn sage mode (this supports the senju chakra levels) but Minato took it further and mastered sage mode and became a perfect sage like his Uzumaki son and unlike Jiraiya. So far only people with Senju dna have mastered sage mode without help. Kabuto even directly stated that he needed to implant Karin's dna (Uzumaki/Senju) in order to master sage mode (Jugo's was needed to gather it passively at all times, not master it, in fact Jugo himself aint mastered it).


7)

Kyubi said that the seal that Naruto used to seal him was the sage of six path's seal, the fact that Minato has the same sage-like jinchuuriki mode suggests he used the exact same seal. That's a direct link to the sop, especially when u consider everything kyubi related Naruto got was plotted out by Minato.


8)

Children of prophesy - the are only three children of prophesy, and two of them are confirmed senju descendends, the other one, Minato, has HEAVY senju forshadowing (being a prophesy child being forshadowing in itself considering that the prophesy concerns the descendents of the sage) of being a senju.


9)

Tobi said that all the Hokage are related/linked to the Senju, and out of the seven of them, four are confirmed senju descendants.


10)

Uzumaki clan had a marriage treaty alliance with the Senju in which Mito married Hashirama, how Ironic that Minato, a Hokage linked to the Senju, like Hashirama, married the last known living Uzumaki at the time.


11) Chakra sensing:

Both displayed ridiculous chakra sensing feats of equal magnitude, that being sensing Madara and Naruto and even identifying particular details about their chakra from literally countries away as they were still in Konoha. This is an even greater feat when you consider that the last time Tobirama would have sensed Madara is BEFORE the Senju implants. It was clearly revealed as a manga fact that a person's chakra signature changes due to chakra implants. Minato showed a similar feat when he was able to sense that Madara's SOP form was stronger than Obito's, especially considering that Naruto in sage mode had said that the juubi's chakra was immeasurable/Kurama said so too.

More importantly regarding this category is the style/method/technique they both used to track a number of enemies during their respective wars, that being of placing the finger on the earth and identifying the number of enemies and their strength. This is a particular technique that only the two of them have been shown using.

Conclusion:

EVERYTHING about Minato SUGGESTS or FORSHADOWS a Senju/Tobirama lineage. Of course, it is not CONFIRMED by the manga, I agree with you on that. But if you believe it is not likely, or it is not IMPLIED or FORSHADOWED, then you are batshit crazy and should be checked into a mental asylum asap.

Kishi facts the creator of the Manga just like NaruHina is a Kishi fact and NaruSaku is an opinion. Teleportation can be learn by any one the Second created Edo and Orochimaru and Kabuto use it by your twisted logic they are both descendants of the Second Hokage.Now due the math Hirutzen the 3rd Hokage was in His late teens when He took over as Hokage Minato was 30 years old when He died that means The Second Hokage would have to conceive Minato from the grave add Tsunade being a little girl when the Second Hokage died.