Once i read the last paragraph in which you basically admitted that all youve said doesnt even constitute an assumption but rather a far far fetched idea, i believe we have put this behind us. At the highlighted part, this is in relation to gai's counter.
The amount of failure in that counter is so extreme for somebody of kakashi's intellect i wouldve expected him to question it before using such a rather desperate counter against somebody like itachi.
Anyway that counter is to stop sharigan genjutsu, by looking at the users feet. In that same fight that, that counter was used we saw that itachi was sid to be so good at genjutsu that he can point his finger at you at you'd be caught. This alone defeats the whole purpose of the counter which is to stop you from falling in genjutsu. If itachi can cast it with a finger, what is to stop him from casting it with a toe.
Secondly, that counter is to predict and counter. If you are looking at an uchiha's feet, somebody with tremendous speed and reflexes ability, the idea of you looking at his feet and countering is ridiculous and besides this holds only substance with taijutsu.
Onto ninjutsu. If a person is looking at tyour feat they cannot see what handseals you are weaving to attack. This doesnt apply to itachi though, because he has the fastest handseal in the series so much so that btoh kakashi and sasuke, sharigan users werent able to read it, with this has the unpredictability to his attacks. If you add the fact that amaterasu comes from his eyes. Now if somebody is looking at his feet, no matter how fast you are you cannot evade something you cannot see.
Fighting itachi alone is a feat that nobody has prevailed. Fighting him whilst looking at his feat?. You are giving him the advantage whilst putting yourself at a disadvantage and with this an itachi win is almost certain
Dawg this is not a debate forum, but a discussion forum. When people are put into a debate, they try to win no matter what as that is their goal (eg. Lawyers in a court case), but in a discussion, people aren't just trying to win, but to get enlightened and get to the bottom of the truth (eg. Business meeting). In all the threads I've seen you in, I have never seen you once discuss anything, all you do is debate, eg. Trying to twist everything I said into something totally out of context to try and boost your arguement. Accusing me of admitting to what I said being 'a far fetched assumption' is one such outrageous statement.
All I said was that it can't be used in a narutobase thread as a fact, the reason being that is most people in this kind of thread operate on the 'if he hasn't been shown doing it then it doesn't exist' motto.
All I did was point out that Minato's specialty (barriers) can be used to protect or manipulate the mind. Examples of this are Nagato's protective barriers, Jiraiya's frog song which sets up a prison barrier in the mind, and Minato's seal which allowed him to not only appear in Naruto's mind, but to be able to manipulate it as well (transported himself and Naruto to a seperate location in Naruto's mind away from the fox, able to re-seal the fox from within Naruto's mind and able to watch the events of the world through Naruto's eyes). This is more then enough manga evidence that it is possible to manipulate the mind or set up traps inside it to prevent infiltration and manipulation of the mind, which is something that genjutsu does.
Based on these manga facts and Minato's talent as and reputation as the best sealing/barrier expert, and the fact that he has never been caught in a genjutsu in manga and even stared at the person he believed to be madara in the face/eyes without fear of being caught in a genjuutsu. Then it is ENTIRELY possible in the mnga that Minato has a genjutsu defensive barrier in his own mind that can defend against Tsukiyomi (many counters to that already exist anyway as I already pointed out) (He also spoke as if he had intel on Madara and kept referencing to him to predict how Tobi would want to fight the battle).
When I initially presented Guy's counter, I was talking about counters to Tsukiyomi specifically, not counters to Itachi! That is where you went wrong by pointing things like Amateresu out, because I was talking about the JUTSU specifically, not Itachi himself. Whether Itachi has other ways to subdue guy or not is therefore another discussion altogether. In any case this doesn't really matter is this is not a discussion about guy, you're either missing the point again or simply ignoring it, you seem to have a tendency to ignore the bigger picture in favor of picking on small and irrelevant arguements to that often distract from the main point. Guy was just one of the individuals I mentioned with counters and the point of mentioning those counters was to explain that Tsukiyomi while a great advantage is not a 'Absolute Win' jutsu, because there are people that have shown ways to manuever around it. Plus saying Guy wouldn't notice a jutsu like amateresu because he isn't looking at Itachi's eyes is a statement I don't understand at all. I was under the impression that amateresu appears just before the individual and doesn't actually fly out of the eye and travel to the individual, in which I beg to question, why would looking at the person's eye make a difference? Since amateresu just appears into thin air right on you or right in front of you, then what advantage does looking the person in the eye give you? And it aint like guy looks at his own feet, he is looking at Itachi's feet, he would definately notice something that appears right in front of him at that angle (the line of sight begins right in front of you anyway) and dodge it.(if he's fast enough with the gates that is).
As for the finger genjutsu? That's no where near the level of Tsukiyomi, guy has been training with a sharingan use (Kakashi)r all his life, i would find it hard to believe that after all that time he would not be able to handle a low level genjutsu like that one. Can we be even certain that a normal genjutsu can work on someone who has opened all the gates, considering the inner working of the gates with regards to the intense levels chakra flow and disruption by opening tenketsu?
