In Defence of Sasuke

[Defence]

this has nothing to do with you saying Sasuke should've seen her. The point lies in the fact that you've spent every post in this thread making excuses as to why he hasn't, then acted like that was actually more important than being a father for over the 10yrs he's spent doing who knows what. That's what you're failing to realize.

Here's a thought. Perhaps he's staying away was deliberate. To protect Sarada

 

[WalksInShadows]

Here's a thought. Perhaps he's staying away was deliberate. To protect Sarada

where exactly is the sense in getting somebody pregnant with kid just to bail on them to protect them? He might as well have just cut out the middleman and not have *** with anybody and just disappear then.

 

[Stxluciferr]

this has nothing to do with you saying Sasuke should've seen her. The point lies in the fact that you've spent every post in this thread making excuses as to why he hasn't, then acted like that was actually more important than being a father for over the 10yrs he's spent doing who knows what. That's what you're failing to realize.

Stopping kaguya from being released should absolutely supersede spending time with your kids. Me saying he should have seen her is saying he should have done both if he could have, but if you have to give the bulk of your time for ten years towards either stopping kaguya from being revived or being with your family then obviously stopping kaguya is more important

All you've done so far is post about how upset you are that I don't agree spending time with your family is more important than the safety of everything in the world including them

 

[Chie]

Why are people so shocked about the current circumstances? Sasuke had the most traumatic childhood imaginable and we all [should] know that broken children do not magically grow to into happy adults who live happily ever after.

@bold- He had a traumatic childhood, but not the most. There are a handful of people who went through worse or close trauma and did better- already being mentioned in this thread in a prior post.

Also, there are darker seinen series that demolish the tragic pasts in Naruto in terms of how horrifying they are.

However, I completely agree with the main point outside of that minor detail.

What kishi does best is portraying emotion raw as they can be. To expect sasuke to play happy families after all that pain and darkness is laughably unrealistic. He has [and probably will always have] unresolved problems/emotions from the past. That's life. If you want the alternative, read fairy tales.

Don't really agree all the way here.

Many characters are unrealistic in NV and have achieved that. Also, no one is asking Sasuke to be a happy dad, encourage Salad, none of that. Just that he visit her once in 13 years. Didn't know that was too much to ask given that he's not living a facade, looking for an imaginary threat (Kishimoto could have come up with a better excuse, Kaguya is irrelevant and he doesn't need to learn her origins), nor does anyone significant hold any malice towards him in Konoha that would prevent him from coming to the village.

Part of the blame must therefore fall to sakura who has had no such excuses. Sasuke turned down her offer to join him for reason. He just wanted a different life as apposed to sitting idly in Kohoha. He wasn't ready.

As for Sakura, her unfortunate decision to remain obsessive about sasuke has had great [negative] impact on her life. She's still unhappy and miserable. And sadly that decision has lead to Salad's dad troubles. Ones does simply not breed with someone who does not want to commit. That is the ultimate parenting mistake.

You make it sound as if Sakura raped Sasuke. They had consensual *** and Sasuke accepted. Meaning, in his mind he thought he was ready.

But to be fair to Sakura, at least she is trying with Salad. But the dishonesty won't help her. We get the best of Sakura when her mind is off sasuke. Like early part 2 Sakura who fought bravely and was a total badass.

Just like Sasuke having no good excuse. There's nothing Kishimoto can conjure up next chapter to absolve him of this- even Itachi took care of Sasuke by giving him a goal and saw him more than a few times within the 8 year time span they were apart- to top it off he had great reasoning for this method as the latter's life was on the line. If someone who is wanted dead throughout the shinobi nations and is considered Konoha's worst scumbag can have the guts to walk into Konoha to assure their loved one's safety and consistently keep a tab on them- there is no way to cleanse Sasuke's character of this failure as a parental figure.

It's either he's a dead beat father who doesn't care for his family and is going to receive a sub-par reason for being away in order to please his fandom who will support his character no matter what happens to it or he's a dead beat father who's clueless and has not visited due to not being irresponsible & not knowing of Salad's existence since he never contacted Sakura after the night he had *** with her.

There are no winners in all of this. Naruto and bolt are have some issues too, granted not to SS scale. Bolt is crying out for attention probably because Naruto is trying to hard be the perfect dad that he use to dream about as a kid.

Compared to part one and part two- all these matters are trivial. People just like Slice of Life Dramas.

The past shapes the future. Kishi is just portraying that well. Stop bashing Sasuke.

Not really. Kishimoto has just done a poor job of writing Sasuke since he had him throw away those ideals he rambled on about for years and said his family was just a past memory and nothing more. Sasuke's resolve is weak, tbh with you. There are real life people who are wronged and they always die with their ideals. Sasuke's character is like a parody. He's beautifully written at some parts whereas at most and in the end those sparse moments become negated.

And I say this not with disdain, just with my honest opinion. I'm indifferent to all of Team 7 right now.

 

[Defence]

@bold- He had a traumatic childhood, but not the most. There are a handful of people who went through worse or close trauma and did better- already being mentioned in this thread in a prior post.

Also, there are darker seinen series that demolish the tragic pasts in Naruto in terms of how horrifying they are.

However, I completely agree with the main point outside of that minor detail.



Don't really agree all the way here.

Many characters are unrealistic in NV and have achieved that. Also, no one is asking Sasuke to be a happy dad, encourage Salad, none of that. Just that he visit her once in 13 years. Didn't know that was too much to ask given that he's not living a facade, looking for an imaginary threat (Kishimoto could have come up with a better excuse, Kaguya is irrelevant and he doesn't need to learn her origins), nor does anyone significant hold any malice towards him in Konoha that would prevent him from coming to the village.



You make it sound as if Sakura raped Sasuke. They had consensual *** and Sasuke accepted. Meaning, in his mind he thought he was ready.



Just like Sasuke having no good excuse. There's nothing Kishimoto can conjure up next chapter to absolve him of this- even Itachi took care of Sasuke by giving him a goal and saw him more than a few times within the 8 year time span they were apart- to top it off he had great reasoning for this method as the latter's life was on the line. If someone who is wanted dead throughout the shinobi nations and is considered Konoha's worst scumbag can have the guts to walk into Konoha to assure their loved one's safety and consistently keep a tab on them- there is no way to cleanse Sasuke's character of this failure as a parental figure.

It's either he's a dead beat father who doesn't care for his family and is going to receive a sub-par reason for being away in order to please his fandom who will support his character no matter what happens to it or he's a dead beat father who's clueless and has not visited due to not being irresponsible & not knowing of Salad's existence since he never contacted Sakura after the night he had *** with her.



Compared to part one and part two- all these matters are trivial. People just like Slice of Life Dramas.



Not really. Kishimoto has just done a poor job of writing Sasuke since he had him throw away those ideals he rambled on about for years and said his family was just a past memory and nothing more. Sasuke's resolve is weak, tbh with you. There are real life people who are wronged and they always die with their ideals. Sasuke's character is like a parody. He's beautifully written at some parts whereas at most and in the end those sparse moments become negated.

And I say this not with disdain, just with my honest opinion. I'm indifferent to all of Team 7 right now.

His childhood is the most traumatic. His entire clan were slaughtered by his own brother. The one he admired the most. I don't see how anything comes even close tbh. But that's subjective.

Sasuke is an intellectual. I doubt he's staying away simply because he's a dead beat dad. Not after everything. Perhaps he doesn't want to pass on the uchiha 'hatred' to her or he feels that she's genuinely better off. Or better still - he's protecting her from his association with her.

In never expected Sasuke to return to konoha and live happily ever after. Not after all he's done in those 700 chapters.

Ty for your contribution

 

[Chie]

His childhood is the most traumatic. His entire clan were slaughtered by his own brother. The one he admired the most. I don't see how anything comes even close tbh. But that's subjective.

Not really. He didn't have close relation to anyone outside of Fugaku, Mikoto, Itachi, his aunt and uncle. Younger children have been exposed to slaughters in NV.

He's well-received by all in the village and they all wish to help him, even adore him and consistently praise him.

He doesn't even bear his own hatred, Itachi handles this by directing it all at himself.

So, nah.

However, being completely serious it is true that this is subjective and there isn't necessarily one right or wrong answer.

Sasuke is an intellectual. I doubt he's staying away simply because he's a dead beat dad. Not after everything. Perhaps he doesn't want to pass on the uchiha 'hatred' to her or he feels that she's genuinely better off. Or better still - he's protecting her from his association with her.

None of those are justifications, though. Or, rather they are- just not decent ones.

In never expected Sasuke to return to konoha and live happily ever after. Not after all he's done in those 700 chapters.

Same. I didn't even think he'd get with Sakura. xD Or anyone. Just be a legit lone wolf.

Ty for your contribution

Thank you for taking the time to reply. ^^

 

[Defence]

Not really. He didn't have close relation to anyone outside of Fugaku, Mikoto, Itachi, his aunt and uncle. Younger children have been exposed to slaughters in NV.

He's well-received by all in the village and they all wish to help him, even adore him and consistently praise him.

He doesn't even bear his own hatred, Itachi handles this by directing it all at himself.

So, nah.

However, being completely serious it is true that this is subjective and there isn't necessarily one right or wrong answer.



None of those are justifications, though. Or, rather they are- just not decent ones.



Same. I didn't even think he'd get with Sakura. xD Or anyone. Just be a legit lone wolf.



Thank you for taking the time to reply. ^^

I think kishi realised that by dragging sasuke into the paring bs, he effectively made him ooc. So It's just damage limitations.

I'm not saying that the excuses are moral, just that they are to be expected from sasuke given his past. He has lived his life since the massacre doing his own soul searching in his own way - settling down isn't part of it really.

 

[Tennis Robot]

I think that Sasuke could be afraid of being a bad father. For someone as historically insecure as he is, the responsibility that comes with raising a child who will look up to him is probably daunting, to say the least. Also, similarly to how he felt that he didn't deserve to return to Konoha and live happily in 699, he could be afraid of Sarada finding out about his past actions and being unable to love him as a result. I firmly believe that Sasuke cares about her. I also feel like he is sort of entrusting her to Naruto in a way, but that is pretty far-fetched (I do look forward to seeing those two interact more though).

 

[Defence]

I think that Sasuke could be afraid of being a bad father. For someone as historically insecure as he is, the responsibility that comes with raising a child who will look up to him is probably daunting, to say the least. Also, similarly to how he felt that he didn't deserve to return to Konoha and live happily in 699, he could be afraid of Sarada finding out about his past actions and being unable to love him as a result. I firmly believe that Sasuke cares about her. I also feel like he is sort of entrusting her to Naruto in a way, but that is a bit more far-fetched (I do look forward to seeing those two interact more though).

Agreed....
It's all sounds logical. Until we get chapter 2 and he's playing sensai for the already spoilt Boruto.

 

[Tennis Robot]

As a Sasuke i will say way too much $#!T

If sasuke nvr cared about his daughter then he is a deadbeat dad

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[WalksInShadows]

Stopping kaguya from being released should absolutely supersede spending time with your kids. Me saying he should have seen her is saying he should have done both if he could have, but if you have to give the bulk of your time for ten years towards either stopping kaguya from being revived or being with your family then obviously stopping kaguya is more important

unless he can actually be seen stopping somebody from releasing Kaguya, your suppositions matter very little. Near as anybody can tell, the dude wasted over 10yrs doing nothing.

All you've done so far is post about how upset you are that I don't agree spending time with your family is more important than the safety of everything in the world including them

if that's the case, then all you've done is post excuses that you can't even prove to be true. And yet what i've been posting is actually important regardless if i'm upset or not over what you don't agree with, because anybody reading the chapter can see that there is a kid dying to at least get to know their dad for the first time in over 10 yrs. What we can't see is this supposed "revival of Kaguya" card you keep trying to play as being a valid excuse for his neglect. I'm just telling you what any real parent would say, but what do i know?

 

[superturtle]

I can't see a way Sasuke comes out of this without his character being tarnished. Best case scenario is he's on a very long term mission, but even then why was Sakura freaking out about loans and shit. I'd figure Sasuke would be getting paid as well and be able to help them out. There's no good reason that Sarada hasn't met Sasuke yet. Kishimoto does some dumb ****ing shit when he's trying to troll fans.

 

[BLAZE]

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Ur naruto garbage got out of hand again

 

[neosmith500]

If i was sasuke and i knew i was gonna hav a kid an then leave for a super fantastic mission then i woulda probably learned "FTG" with ease while im in the village so i could give regular birthday visits an keep in touch , or at the very least use a shadow clone or 2 and send them , dat sasuke/kishi Lol.

 

[Stxluciferr]

unless he can actually be seen stopping somebody from releasing Kaguya, your suppositions matter very little. Near as anybody can tell, the dude wasted over 10yrs doing nothing.
if that's the case, then all you've done is post excuses that you can't even prove to be true. And yet what i've been posting is actually important regardless if i'm upset or not over what you don't agree with, because anybody reading the chapter can see that there is a kid dying to at least get to know their dad for the first time in over 10 yrs. What we can't see is this supposed "revival of Kaguya" card you keep trying to play as being a valid excuse for his neglect. I'm just telling you what any real parent would say, but what do i know?

Your mistake was thinking I was speaking in suppositions. If Kishi explicitly said that's what he was doing, which he did, then there is nothing for me to prove. It would fall on you to prove that what Kishi, said happened wasn't really what happened. It's ironic as hell that you falsely accused me of making suppositions, and then tossed around supposition of what you think Sasuke wasn't doing, when Kishi already confirmed he was.

 

[Defence]

I can't see a way Sasuke comes out of this without his character being tarnished. Best case scenario is he's on a very long term mission, but even then why was Sakura freaking out about loans and shit. I'd figure Sasuke would be getting paid as well and be able to help them out. There's no good reason that Sarada hasn't met Sasuke yet. Kishimoto does some dumb ****ing shit when he's trying to troll fans.

His character is intact. Making him play happy families would be ooc for sasuke