In Defence of Hinata Hyuuga

[Defence]

Why have we reached a point where a Sakura/Hinata debate is on the same level as an Obito/Itachi debate?

I made this thread because I got sick of the nonsense. Character bashing is supposedly against the rules yet so many haters are constantly posting false assumptions and passing it off as facts.

I think hinata is not a better character than the likes of Itachi. And would love NB to be the place where it was 2012 when all these trolls were not around. But hey

 

[Praydara]

I made this thread because I got sick of the nonsense. Character bashing is supposedly against the rules yet so many haters are constantly posting false assumptions and passing it off as facts.

I think hinata is not a better character than the likes of Itachi. And would love NB to be the place where it was 2012 when all these trolls were not around. But hey

I guess I see your point, I'm as tired as you are of the bashing. Both the debates are pretty silly tbh.

 

[Shruikan]

I made this thread because I got sick of the nonsense. Character bashing is supposedly against the rules yet so many haters are constantly posting false assumptions and passing it off as facts.

I think hinata is not a better character than the likes of Itachi. And would love NB to be the place where it was 2012 when all these trolls were not around. But hey

Well why dont you just ignore it?What did you expect when a movie focusing on Hinata gets released and pairings become canon?There are an equivalent amount of hate threads for Sakura too.So why is this character being singled out?

Hinata gave impressive game changing speeches. Sakura just gassed.

^^See what I mean Lol

Thanks all for reading. The top page shows everything that is wrong with NB

I dont think you will get a serious debate on a topic which is first subjective in nature

 

[Defence]

Well why dont you just ignore it?What did you expect when a movie focusing on Hinata gets released and pairings become canon?There are an equivalent amount of hate threads for Sakura too.So why is this character being singled out?



^^See what I mean Lol







I dont think you will get a serious debate on a topic which is first subjective in nature

This is a platform for debate and discussion or at least that was the intended purpose. If we can't discuss things in a civil manner then what is the point?

And just because the movie is NH centric does not mean it becomes necessary to bash Hinata's character. RTN and all the other movies were focused on Naruto Sakura etc. Why should the ending legitimise unnecessary character bashing?

For the record, I have said it time again. I think Sakura has done well in shippuden. Her contribution has a medic has been worthy of mention. There's so much that could have been the making of her and so many instances where we were all hoping she would make something extraordinary as a MC.

Now her sasuke obsession, her plea to Naruto to bring sasuke back no matter what and her tears could easily be what I chose to summarise her entire character as. Just as you pick of hinata for saying kun. But obviously I will not. That would be entirely bias and quire frankly childish.

 

[Shruikan]

This is a platform for debate and discussion or at least that was the intended purpose. If we can't discuss things in a civil manner then what is the point?

Because this debate has actually been done to death even in the shipping thread and if we do decide to debate we are debating our personal opinions which are never going to change anyway.For example,the Neji moment.I no matter what anyone says found that comment of Naruto's hand being manly and warm very out of place for that moment as it had a clear romantic tinge to it as far as she is concerned.She shouldn have said that and I would have respected that moment.To me it feels she completely forgot his death and was enjoying her handhold
Now the counter you made is its a war and blah blah blah which doesnt convince me thats why all of these points have at some point been countered and nothing changes except walls of text.The hater will continue to hate and the fan will continue to be a fanatic

And just because the movie is NH centric does not mean it becomes necessary to bash Hinata's character. RTN and all the other movies were focused on Naruto Sakura etc. Why should the ending legitimise unnecessary character bashing?

Sakura has always been one of the most hated characters.Hinata was hardly relevant most of the manga.Naruto must have said her name less than like 50 times in 700 chapters therefore there really wasnt that much to praise and correspondingly not much to hate.Now this movie has Hinata dialled up to 11.The chorus of fans got louder and then to balance it so did the hating.
Actually what I find most annoying is that her fans try to put on this high pedestal which she most definitely does not deserve and after a certain point this starts to get annoying

Nice Thread.. Loled at Haters... they are so butthurt

^^See above.Classic calling anyone who doesnt like Hinata butthurt and you are blaming us for hating the character when they bash us for not liking her.Dial down the aggressive toning and so will I

Long story short:
Big Breasts.

And this is Sakura fans responseLol The fans are themselves responsible for this mindless bashing



And I still say that both haters and the fans are justified.Hinata could have been done a lot better.I wanted Naruto to pursue her after the fake confession,address the confession in the manga,she should have been at least given a small arc like what Shikamaru got in the Hidan and Kakuzu arc,.Kishi could have taken some cues from Orihime in Bleach etc

For the record, I have said it time again. I think Sakura has done well in shippuden. Her contribution has a medic has been worthy of mention. There's so much that could have been the making of her and so many instances where we were all hoping she would make something extraordinary as a MC.

Now her sasuke obsession, her plea to Naruto to bring sasuke back no matter what and her tears could easily be what I chose to summarise her entire character as. Just as you pick of hinata for saying kun. But obviously I will not. That would be entirely bias and quire frankly childish.

The first para is something you just wrote as a fact.The second one are your natural feelings.You think she is just a one dimensional falling after Sasuke which is again where I disagree as she actually showed to care for 2 other charas in the manga too

You see?Subjectively you prefer Hinata over Sakura while I prefer vice versa so the things you see in the Hinata moments are not the way I see them and teh same goes for Sakura's moments in the manga because inherently you prefer Hinata over Sakura.Both of us are biased Lol

 

[Team7monaa]

I obviously agree. Hinata is easily one of the most influential, inspirational and jaw-dropping characters in the manga. There is no need for the fans of this very well-written character to defend her. Now, why do I believe she's so influential? The main reason is because she has massive tits that guys find attractive and want to grope with such vigour. Now, when males find something attractive in that sort of manner, there is a tendency for them to experience a phenomenan known as erections. As I've mentioned before, erections have been scientifically proven to improve a man's health. Subsequently, Hinata's character is leading to an improvement in the average health of the manga reading male populace.

Better health leads to a more productive output at work, and also leads to workers taking less "sick days" off. This leads to an improvement in the Economy by a little, which means that the impact of this is global. Hinata's character improves the average health of the male populace as shown above. Therefore, her character influences humanity in a positive way by improving the global economy and helping humanity as a whole. That's how influential she is, and I haven't even started talking about her awesome character, which shows us that no matter how much of a loser you are, there is always a fish in the ocean who will want to be with you. Kishimoto is s genius for creating such a character! All hail the lady Hinata!.

Long story short:
Big Breasts.

 

[Defence]

Because this debate has actually been done to death even in the shipping thread and if we do decide to debate we are debating our personal opinions which are never going to change anyway.For example,the Neji moment.I no matter what anyone says found that comment of Naruto's hand being manly and warm very out of place for that moment as it had a clear romantic tinge to it as far as she is concerned.She shouldn have said that and I would have respected that moment.To me it feels she completely forgot his death and was enjoying her handhold
Now the counter you made is its a war and blah blah blah which doesnt convince me thats why all of these points have at some point been countered and nothing changes except walls of text.The hater will continue to hate and the fan will continue to be a fanatic


Sakura has always been one of the most hated characters.Hinata was hardly relevant most of the manga.Naruto must have said her name less than like 50 times in 700 chapters therefore there really wasnt that much to praise and correspondingly not much to hate.Now this movie has Hinata dialled up to 11.The chorus of fans got louder and then to balance it so did the hating.
Actually what I find most annoying is that her fans try to put on this high pedestal which she most definitely does not deserve and after a certain point this starts to get annoying



^^See above.Classic calling anyone who doesnt like Hinata butthurt and you are blaming us for hating the character when they bash us for not liking her.Dial down the aggressive toning and so will I






And this is Sakura fans responseLol The fans are themselves responsible for this mindless bashing



And I still say that both haters and the fans are justified.Hinata could have been done a lot better.I wanted Naruto to pursue her after the fake confession,address the confession in the manga,she should have been at least given a small arc like what Shikamaru got in the Hidan and Kakuzu arc,.Kishi could have taken some cues from Orihime in Bleach etc






The first para is something you just wrote as a fact.The second one are your natural feelings.You think she is just a one dimensional falling after Sasuke which is again where I disagree as she actually showed to care for 2 other charas in the manga too

You see?Subjectively you prefer Hinata over Sakura while I prefer vice versa so the things you see in the Hinata moments are not the way I see them and teh same goes for Sakura's moments in the manga because inherently you prefer Hinata over Sakura.Both of us are biased Lol

Lel the irony is you do exactly what you are claiming the opposing side of doing. You constantly bash hinata's character.

What she said to Naruto about Neji shows that neji was at the forefront of her mind. That moment is interpreted as a union of two lives - as a symbol of what neji said. Naruto has the power to connect lives. His and hers. And of course neji. Only anyone with a 'pairing mind' would associate it with anything else. Kishi is known for that kind of symbolism and deep portrayal. Romance is not his fortee. Btw why have you omitted her game changing speech from your interpretation?

I mention good aspects about Sakura. Have you nothing positive to say about Hinata? Did you read the chapter where she tried to help Naruto V's pein and narrowly read just the Naruto Kuns. Seems like it.

 

[Shruikan]

Lel the irony is you do exactly what you are claiming the opposing side of doing. You constantly bash hinata's character.

Because they wank Hinata even more annoyingly so and bash other characters with douible standards.For instance,the other day a NH fan who I wont name was telling me that Sasuke cheats on his wife and he hit it and quit it and screws side hoes and at the same time made Hinata out as the greatest thing since sliced bread.I have argued with too many of such people and this has resulted in what you are saying.And nice fans such as yourself are too hard to come by

What she said to Naruto about Neji shows that neji was at the forefront of her mind. That moment is interpreted as a union of two lives - as a symbol of what neji said. Naruto has the power to connect lives. His and hers. And of course neji. Only anyone with a 'pairing mind' would associate it with anything else. Kishi is known for that kind of symbolism and deep portrayal. Romance is not his fortee. Btw why have you omitted her game changing speech from your interpretation?

You are talking about the speech in which even Kurama had also played a part in rejuvenating Naruto IIRC.And immediately after that speech she had the handhold with that comment of him being manly and I did not like it.Its really not that hard to understand.It was not a comment fitting in this situation and Kishimoto himself saying he had Neji killed as he was the Cupid so that Naruto and Hinata would have a moment together doesnt help any
The speech itself was negated by that comment which left a bad taste in my mouth

I mention good aspects about Sakura.

And I have seen you bash her as well Lol

Have you nothing positive to say about Hinata?

I actually do based on the Chunnin exams,her dedication to get stronger based on watching Naruto and also how Naruto cheered her on.However later on it became romantic,too much at moments especially in Part 2 and when fans try to put her on this high pedestal I simply get annoyed and counter back

Did you read the chapter where she tried to help Naruto V's pein and narrowly read just the Naruto Kuns. Seems like it.

Yes the Pain confession was a big momnt for Hinata.Its a positive but even there were missed opportunities for her character.For instance what was she doing when Pain was tearing the village apart.Kiba,Shino and Choji were all shown in battle and she was completely no where to be seen.Had she even fought a weak Pain body like how Konohamaru did I would have agains start respecting her battle feats

Look my point is she was introduced as a girl who loves Naruto and thats her entire character.If you actually refer to the promo materials of The Last it has description for all the characters and for Hinata it starts with "loves Naruto since the Academy days" .They even sold Hinata alarm clocks who keep saying Naruto-kun for a reason.

 

[Defence]

Because they wank Hinata even more annoyingly so and bash other characters with douible standards.For instance,the other day a NH fan who I wont name was telling me that Sasuke cheats on his wife and he hit it and quit it and screws side hoes and at the same time made Hinata out as the greatest thing since sliced bread.I have argued with too many of such people and this has resulted in what you are saying.And nice fans such as yourself are too hard to come by




You are talking about the speech in which even Kurama had also played a part in rejuvenating Naruto IIRC.And immediately after that speech she had the handhold with that comment of him being manly and I did not like it.Its really not that hard to understand.It was not a comment fitting in this situation and Kishimoto himself saying he had Neji killed as he was the Cupid so that Naruto and Hinata would have a moment together doesnt help any
The speech itself was negated by that comment which left a bad taste in my mouth

And I have seen you bash her as well Lol



I actually do based on the Chunnin exams,her dedication to get stronger based on watching Naruto and also how Naruto cheered her on.However later on it became romantic,too much at moments especially in Part 2 and when fans try to put her on this high pedestal I simply get annoyed and counter back



Yes the Pain confession was a big momnt for Hinata.Its a positive but even there were missed opportunities for her character.For instance what was she doing when Pain was tearing the village apart.Kiba,Shino and Choji were all shown in battle and she was completely no where to be seen.Had she even fought a weak Pain body like how Konohamaru did I would have agains start respecting her battle feats

Look my point is she was introduced as a girl who loves Naruto and thats her entire character.If you actually refer to the promo materials of The Last it has description for all the characters and for Hinata it starts with "loves Naruto since the Academy days" .They even sold Hinata alarm clocks who keep saying Naruto-kun for a reason.

Let's agree that you cannot represent all of sakura fans just as i I certainly cannot represent hinata fans in totality. So let's leave the 'us and them'.

I think Hinata is great bearing in mind that she has appeared in so very few panels. Something like an appearance in 100 chapters.

In an ideal world female characters would have substance and an actual role to play in plot.

Neither of us can can sat that our fav has indeed served a great deal in the grand scheme of things.

Hinata is most definitely not better than other male characters like bee etc. She hasn't been given enough development or thought by kishi.

Having said that, what she does bring is amicable personality and great support for Naruto. She's also determined and a real underdog.

It's all subjective what you choose to make of any character. I just would prefer it if we were all balanced in our criticism.

Holding Naruto's hand cannot possibility negate the courage it took to speak before the entire SA and talk real sense. Do you see that

 

[Shruikan]

Let's agree that you cannot represent all of sakura fans just I certainly cannot represent hinata fans in totality. So let's leave the 'us and them'.

Agreed but 8 out of 10 fans I meet are like that with hypocrisy.So when I enter a thread I do so assuming the thread is one of the 8.I cant name the members as its against the rules.One of her fanboys actually told me that Naruto could go die in a hole if he wasnt so important for Hinata Lol

I think Hinata is great bearing in mind that she has appeared in so very few panels. Something like an appearance in 100 chapters.

Because your standards are low.I have seen the Hinata character trope done in many series like Bleach and it was executed smoothly unlike Naruto.Most of her panels were just Naruto related,for like watching Naruto train,allowing Naruto to copy in chunnin exams,cheering Naruto on,being unconscious after seeing Naruto get pummelled,expression pleasure when he passes written test etc.
I would have preferred a little more fleshing out of the romance aspect and love she is known for.Until that happens,she represents wasted potential to me

In an ideal world female characters would have substance and an actual role to play in plot.

Dont know about the series,but Shaz has told me Fairy Tail is a manga which does just that..Females in Bleach are heck of a lot better than in Naruto.

Neither of us can can our fav has served a great deal in the grand scheme of things.

Thing is I saw Sakura's character as not just Sasuke.She was shown caring for Naruto,also had dialogues with Tsunade and Kakashi and many others and was actually shown in fights.These are the aspects I give importance to although I agree that as a overall character Sakura is not very relevant to the plot.She never played a part in Sasuke's redemption.But I just like her attitude better than Hinata XD

Hinata is most definitely not better than other male characters like bee etc. She hasn't been given enough development.

Even among females,Tsunade is still better than her.Sakura is more fleshed out than her

Having said that, what she does bring is amicable personality and great support for Naruto. She's also determined and a real underdog.

It's all subjective. I just would prefer it if we were all balanced in our criticism.

I respect your opinion

Holding Naruto's hand cannot possibility negate the courage it took to speak before the entire SA and talk real sense. Do you see that

No am I not talking of her holding his hand.She held his hand and thought about his hand being manly and warm and made her feel safe.Those thoughts were unnecessary and this is something NH fans use a lot in their arguments that he loved her mind you

ANd even Sakura addressed the entire SA with a speech although it was not when Naruto was down

 

[Red Slayer]

^^See above.Classic calling anyone who doesnt like Hinata butthurt and you are blaming us for hating the character when they bash us for not liking her.Dial down the aggressive toning and so will I

i never bashed anyone boy i said what is truth.... all Sakura's fanbase are butthurt and jealous about Hinata thats fact...
and if u dont want someone to call u butthurt... stop it and calm down dont show ur anger about Hinata bc she is better than Sakura and accept it.... and no one will call u butthurt anymore.... just an advice

 

[Defence]

Agreed but 8 out of 10 fans I meet are like that with hypocrisy.So when I enter a thread I do so assuming the thread is one of the 8.I cant name the members as its against the rules.One of her fanboys actually told me that Naruto could go die in a hole if he wasnt so important for Hinata Lol


Because your standards are low.I have seen the Hinata character trope done in many series like Bleach and it was executed smoothly unlike Naruto.Most of her panels were just Naruto related,for like watching Naruto train,allowing Naruto to copy in chunnin exams,cheering Naruto on,being unconscious after seeing Naruto get pummelled,expression pleasure when he passes written test etc.
I would have preferred a little more fleshing out of the romance aspect and love she is known for.Until that happens,she represents wasted potential to me





Dont know about the series,but Shaz has told me Fairy Tail is a manga which does just that..Females in Bleach are heck of a lot better than in Naruto.



Thing is I saw Sakura's character as not just Sasuke.She was shown caring for Naruto,also had dialogues with Tsunade and Kakashi and many others and was actually shown in fights.These are the aspects I give importance to although I agree that as a overall character Sakura is not very relevant to the plot.She never played a part in Sasuke's redemption.But I just like her attitude better than Hinata XD


Even among females,Tsunade is still better than her.Sakura is more fleshed out than her




I respect your opinion



No am I not talking of her holding his hand.She held his hand and thought about his hand being manly and warm and made her feel safe.Those thoughts were unnecessary and this is something NH fans use a lot in their arguments that he loved her mind you

ANd even Sakura addressed the entire SA with a speech although it was not when Naruto was down

Just a quick point cos I'm In a hurry. Sakura has had the limelight as a MC my friend. Of course she had more dialogues with other characters. What is disappointing is that her contribution is on the level of characters with barely a mention. Medical ninjutsu aside as you say more relevance to the plot would have been the expectation.

Lel I can't jump to FT don't know how shaz can withstand that tbh. I saw the beginning years ago and it just felt cringe worthy. Maybe I should give it another try

 

[TakaSage]

I like Hinata, but I partially dispute the first Argument. Hinata cares about more than just Naruto, but he doesn't rank below her family, or necessarily above them. The movie implys that Hinata's did not want to hurt Naruto or have him be injured but to use the scarf she handed him as a signal for her true feelings while she carried out her plan. Unfortunately, Naruto failed to realize this at the time and by the time she knew this she could not back out of the plan.

 

[Xlad]

I like Hinata, but I partially dispute the first Argument. Hinata cares about more than just Naruto, but he doesn't rank below her family, or necessarily above them. The movie implys that Hinata's did not want to hurt Naruto or have him be injured but to use the scarf she handed him as a signal for her true feelings while she carried out her plan. Unfortunately, Naruto failed to realize this at the time and by the time she knew this she could not back out of the plan.

Damn. From 2011?

 

[Ldude]

In defense of Hinata Hyuga, she makes rocks look like good fighters.

 

[Team7monaa]

Please, the Naruto and Hinata love story is very realistic. There was this guy I liked who liked another girl. And I would find my eyes constantly straying to him everytime we were in the same vincinity. Put that type of scenario in a world where people can blow fire out there mouths that's what you call Hinata's "stalking".

The Hinata haters are so stupid with justifying there hate. Hate her simply just because you just hate her. Some people are like that they dont even know the reason they hate the person. But don't try to justify it

To be honest Naruto ignored her for the whole of part 1 and categorised her as creepy.In PT2 Kishimoto forged a love between them so she could be used as a plot device for Naruto to meet his parents.Naruto then forgot about her confession until the War Arc then be wasted what could of been an action-packed film to an Hour and half long Mario film explaining NaruHina.

 

[ramplevel]

The story is complete. Like it or not like it, it is final. While the ending is probably not the way I expected, I am pleased with it because had I written it, maybe it would not have been as good and would not have seemed as "real". As is life, the Manga doesn't always turn out the way we want it to. The author wrote the ending how he envisioned it. It's up to us to take it for what it's worth and respect that. I expected Naruto to end up by himself for some reason or maybe with someone we don't know. And to tell you the truth, that would have been fine with me as well. Looking at the whole story and how popular it was, I think it was awesome.

 

[lndra]

To be honest Naruto ignored her for the whole of part 1 and categorised her as creepy.In PT2 Kishimoto forged a love between them so she could be used as a plot device for Naruto to meet his parents.Naruto then forgot about her confession until the War Arc then be wasted what could of been an action-packed film to an Hour and half long Mario film explaining NaruHina.

Uh, nah. Destined from day one son

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[Braveknight]

thats some awesome quality thread

keep it up

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Most complaints (which originate from Sakura and Sasuke fans), go like this. Naruto-kun spam, and being centered around Naruto.


For the first reason, I mean, wow. I feel sorry for you if you hate Hinata for that reason. That's a method of addressing someone. I can't think of a more childish reason to dislike a character.


As for the second, this is more understandable. However, that doesn't make it bad. It'd be bad if Hinata was dependent on Naruto, but given she snapped Naruto out of nearly giving up, she isn't. She's someone who was influenced by Naruto, but can stand on her own.


I think we all know the real reason why she's hated is because she ended up with Naruto, and some people can't stand the characters that have love as their motivation because it's not "badass."