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After my last thread I was asked to analyse a bunch of topics, some more interesting and some less, some harder and others that weren't worth the effort. One in particular though, was interesting enough and I believe I can cast some light into one of the unknowns that most people are entertaining their minds with.. While doing so uncovering some potential reviling plot developments.
This theory is based on storyline analysis and some manga evidence that the community has yet to properly analyse. The theory is quite extensive as I needed to establish some points that needed back up by manga. So please bare with me, I think it's worth while reading.
First we need to answer the most important question on this issue. Are Sasuke and Orochimaru going to meet/interrogate someone? What does Sasuke want?
Hmmm so he wants to know every thing, every bit of information and he wants to interpret it for himself, not from others point of view but from his own and only his.
Who holds these answers? Who knows the truth about the Uchiha Clan, Itachi and the village of Konoha?
The manga has already given us this information, Chapter 397 it's called "The One Who Knows the Truth". It's Tobi although by this time in the story line he went by Uchiha Madara. It's obvious they know the truth. At least Madara was an active part on most it and where he wasn't Obito had an hand, especially concerning Itachi's fate. What Obito didn't presence himself he presence it from Madara. But... Obito and Madara are obviously not going to tell him at least not the truth, they have nothing to gain from it.
So we may ask the question differently. How do they (Obito and Madara) know all that they do? How do you keep record of all that is going on if you can't go out and witness it for yourself. Madara has been attached for some time to the Gedo Mazo before he met Obito and how did he knew Obito was there to be found any way?
The answer is the same as how did Obito learn all there is about Madara, the Uchiha Clan, the Senju and Uchiha duality, the Sage of Six Paths and his Legacy and all of the Sharingan and Rinnegan techniques.
He obtained them through Zetsu.
Not that Madara could have simply imput his will and memories into Obito, yet he did not do so. He also tells Obito that he may use the rest of the Zetsus as his pawn, which implies that the one carrying Madara's memories is not to be put in harms weight. After all in the Shinobi world information is power!
We have also evidence that Zetsu can share memories with others. Actually sharing the images meaning you will see what the Zetsu saw.
So Zetsu can store memories and share them. Unaltered, untethered, unbiased, pure. Exactly what Sasuke wants right?
We also can infer that for a large part of the story Zetsu has been the source of information to both Madara and later to Obito. It's a large amount of memories, being in so many places gathering so much info and then coming back to the base and share it.
The tree at Madara's Lair, where the Gedou Mazou sits and Hashirama cell's are implanted must have somewhat act like a central storage of information where Madara could review all the data the Zetsus collected.
Now recalling the source of Zetsu, we know that Zetsu is nothing more than a copy of Hashirama made out of Makuton:
Madara used the Gedou Mazou as a catalysis to use Hashirama's powers. Remember that Madara could not use Hashirama's powers himself alone. He has only been able to do this in his Edo Tensei form for the first time.
Madara used the Gedou for two things. He created the Zetsus and run them via the Mazou and he fed himself Hashirama's Life force via the Mazou as well.
Now you must be thinking: "Fair enough, but you haven't said nothing new yet + you yourself established that neither Madara nor Obito will tell anything to Sasuke and there is nothing Orochimaru can do about that. Not to mention that No one apart from Obito and Madara know this treat of the Zetsus... So what's your point?!"
That's true! Or.... is it?
That's the second part of my theory;
Orochimaru told Sasuke that they were heading some place that Sasuke knows very well. My question to you is the following, where did Sasuke sit his fat ass for almost 6 months last year? That's right Madara's Lair. What is there? The Tree, with Hashirama and Yamato and all those plugs for the Zetsus.
And you say: "But Orochimaru doesn't know about all that info! Does he?.."
He does, and as of now so does Suigetsu, Juugo and Sasuke. The scroll speaks of said property and how to retrieve that information from the tree.
How?!
Orochimaru has researched and obsessed on Hashirama's DNA and Mokuton for the larger part of his life. He got expelled from the Leaf in part because of that:
And the extent of his research and practical applications far exceed what one might have thought at first. Long before he was caught by Hiruzen he had already made this far:
Note how a young but twisted Orochimaru is standing beside a younger Danzo that already has the bandages around his right arm. Shisui's eye might have been added later on but I believe Orochimaru had given his "gifts" to Danzo long ago when Danzo trade his normal sharingan for Shisui's eye.
So through years of research and experiment with Hashirama's cells; from DNA transplants and toying with sharingans (hint to a very old knowladge of what Madara tried to do) to completely making Hashirama clones without the catalysis of Gedou Mazou Orochimaru must have come to know of this property of Mokuton, it can store and share memories.
Obito understood this possibility here:
And the both the perception of that threat and the confirmation on how far Orochimaru's knowladge on this isseu went is patent here:
Obito immediately denies Kabuto access to the Zetsus, he fears Orochimaru knows about the Zetsus ability to store and share memories and he has no wishes to further promote Kabuto's knowledge on the truth.
And you say: "Wait a minute!!! You are assuming to much! That would mean that Orochimaru knew about Madara's Lair, the Mazou and the existence of Zetsus long ago, and where all that is!!"
But the truth is he does! He has seen Zetsu before, when he was a member of Akatsuki or even maybe before that. That might have been the reason he joined Akatsuki for all we know!
(Please don't forget that he did not join the Akatsuki because of Itachi, that is a misconception. Before Itachi joined Akatsuki Orochimaru used to team up with Sasori. It was when Itachi joined that Orochimaru teamed up with Itachi in order to attain his body.)
Orochimaru also knows where Madara's Lair is he had to the proof is double here:
There is a double problem here for Obito, not only has Kabuto present him with all that is needed to prove he is not Madara he also presents the proof that he has known who Obito is, where Madara died and that he/Orochimaru have been there before. That's the shock.
Conclusion, this is only a theory. A reading of the story line and I'm not claiming it to be a dogma nor even the only interpretation. It is however, the most plausible scenario that connects these points: What Sasuke sicks, Orochimaru and the info Suigetsu found.
Hope it was worth reading. What do you think?
This theory is based on storyline analysis and some manga evidence that the community has yet to properly analyse. The theory is quite extensive as I needed to establish some points that needed back up by manga. So please bare with me, I think it's worth while reading.
First we need to answer the most important question on this issue. Are Sasuke and Orochimaru going to meet/interrogate someone? What does Sasuke want?
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Hmmm so he wants to know every thing, every bit of information and he wants to interpret it for himself, not from others point of view but from his own and only his.
Who holds these answers? Who knows the truth about the Uchiha Clan, Itachi and the village of Konoha?
The manga has already given us this information, Chapter 397 it's called "The One Who Knows the Truth". It's Tobi although by this time in the story line he went by Uchiha Madara. It's obvious they know the truth. At least Madara was an active part on most it and where he wasn't Obito had an hand, especially concerning Itachi's fate. What Obito didn't presence himself he presence it from Madara. But... Obito and Madara are obviously not going to tell him at least not the truth, they have nothing to gain from it.
So we may ask the question differently. How do they (Obito and Madara) know all that they do? How do you keep record of all that is going on if you can't go out and witness it for yourself. Madara has been attached for some time to the Gedo Mazo before he met Obito and how did he knew Obito was there to be found any way?
The answer is the same as how did Obito learn all there is about Madara, the Uchiha Clan, the Senju and Uchiha duality, the Sage of Six Paths and his Legacy and all of the Sharingan and Rinnegan techniques.
He obtained them through Zetsu.
You must be registered for see images
You must be registered for see images
Not that Madara could have simply imput his will and memories into Obito, yet he did not do so. He also tells Obito that he may use the rest of the Zetsus as his pawn, which implies that the one carrying Madara's memories is not to be put in harms weight. After all in the Shinobi world information is power!
We have also evidence that Zetsu can share memories with others. Actually sharing the images meaning you will see what the Zetsu saw.
You must be registered for see images
So Zetsu can store memories and share them. Unaltered, untethered, unbiased, pure. Exactly what Sasuke wants right?
We also can infer that for a large part of the story Zetsu has been the source of information to both Madara and later to Obito. It's a large amount of memories, being in so many places gathering so much info and then coming back to the base and share it.
The tree at Madara's Lair, where the Gedou Mazou sits and Hashirama cell's are implanted must have somewhat act like a central storage of information where Madara could review all the data the Zetsus collected.
Now recalling the source of Zetsu, we know that Zetsu is nothing more than a copy of Hashirama made out of Makuton:
You must be registered for see images
Madara used the Gedou for two things. He created the Zetsus and run them via the Mazou and he fed himself Hashirama's Life force via the Mazou as well.
You must be registered for see images
Now you must be thinking: "Fair enough, but you haven't said nothing new yet + you yourself established that neither Madara nor Obito will tell anything to Sasuke and there is nothing Orochimaru can do about that. Not to mention that No one apart from Obito and Madara know this treat of the Zetsus... So what's your point?!"
That's true! Or.... is it?
That's the second part of my theory;
Orochimaru told Sasuke that they were heading some place that Sasuke knows very well. My question to you is the following, where did Sasuke sit his fat ass for almost 6 months last year? That's right Madara's Lair. What is there? The Tree, with Hashirama and Yamato and all those plugs for the Zetsus.
And you say: "But Orochimaru doesn't know about all that info! Does he?.."
He does, and as of now so does Suigetsu, Juugo and Sasuke. The scroll speaks of said property and how to retrieve that information from the tree.
How?!
Orochimaru has researched and obsessed on Hashirama's DNA and Mokuton for the larger part of his life. He got expelled from the Leaf in part because of that:
You must be registered for see images
You must be registered for see images
And the extent of his research and practical applications far exceed what one might have thought at first. Long before he was caught by Hiruzen he had already made this far:
You must be registered for see images
So through years of research and experiment with Hashirama's cells; from DNA transplants and toying with sharingans (hint to a very old knowladge of what Madara tried to do) to completely making Hashirama clones without the catalysis of Gedou Mazou Orochimaru must have come to know of this property of Mokuton, it can store and share memories.
Obito understood this possibility here:
You must be registered for see images
You must be registered for see images
And you say: "Wait a minute!!! You are assuming to much! That would mean that Orochimaru knew about Madara's Lair, the Mazou and the existence of Zetsus long ago, and where all that is!!"
But the truth is he does! He has seen Zetsu before, when he was a member of Akatsuki or even maybe before that. That might have been the reason he joined Akatsuki for all we know!
(Please don't forget that he did not join the Akatsuki because of Itachi, that is a misconception. Before Itachi joined Akatsuki Orochimaru used to team up with Sasori. It was when Itachi joined that Orochimaru teamed up with Itachi in order to attain his body.)
Orochimaru also knows where Madara's Lair is he had to the proof is double here:
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There is a double problem here for Obito, not only has Kabuto present him with all that is needed to prove he is not Madara he also presents the proof that he has known who Obito is, where Madara died and that he/Orochimaru have been there before. That's the shock.
Conclusion, this is only a theory. A reading of the story line and I'm not claiming it to be a dogma nor even the only interpretation. It is however, the most plausible scenario that connects these points: What Sasuke sicks, Orochimaru and the info Suigetsu found.
Hope it was worth reading. What do you think?
