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Another fact about the Rinnegan, it translates to "Samsara's eye"


the definition of Samsara :

"Saṃsāra is a Sanskrit word that means "wandering" or "world", with the connotation of cyclic, circuitous change.[1][2] It also refers to the theory of rebirth and "cyclicality of all life, matter, existence", a fundamental assumption of all Indian religions.[2][3] Saṃsāra is sometimes referred to with terms or phrases such as transmigration, karmic cycle, reincarnation, and "cycle of aimless drifting, wandering or mundane existence".[2][4]

Rinnegan's name alone confirms that Sasuke it outside the cycle of life and death as Konan said
 

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Another fact about the Rinnegan, it translates to "Samsara's eye"


the definition of Samsara :

"Saṃsāra is a Sanskrit word that means "wandering" or "world", with the connotation of cyclic, circuitous change.[1][2] It also refers to the theory of rebirth and "cyclicality of all life, matter, existence", a fundamental assumption of all Indian religions.[2][3] Saṃsāra is sometimes referred to with terms or phrases such as transmigration, karmic cycle, reincarnation, and "cycle of aimless drifting, wandering or mundane existence".[2][4]

Rinnegan's name alone confirms that Sasuke it outside the cycle of life and death as Konan said

How's he immortal? Nagato had the same eye yet he stil died.
 

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The only thing this proves is that there are transmigrants, which nobody is denying. No. Madara and Kaguya are examples of immortality.

How is Reincarnation not an example of immortality? So you're telling me a soul that is reborn over and over and OVER is not immortality? Come on Lol

Ashura and Indra are only going to transmigrate until their feud ends,
The Manga never stated this.

Sasuke's plan was to become an eternal singular enemy for the world so that they would continue to be united under a common "threat". Immortality would be needed for this or else it would only last until he died. Now please tell me how your idea of immortality helps him? How is losing his powers and knowledge about the plan altogether going to benefit him?

The Manga explained it already, when Indra died and he reincarnated, his transmigrants always carried his beliefs, both Madara and Sasuke shared the same beliefs
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All three believed in Power and sought to achieve it, Ironically both Madara and Sasuke left Konoha to achieve said power, Madara for the rinnegan and Sasuke for Orochimaru's power,

So even if Sasuke died, not only will he come back but he will carry on Indra's will to accomplish peace the same way he sought in his past life, through that method Sasuke can say he is immortal, he will always come back with his beliefs intact.
 

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Another fact about the Rinnegan, it translates to "Samsara's eye"


the definition of Samsara :

"Saṃsāra is a Sanskrit word that means "wandering" or "world", with the connotation of cyclic, circuitous change.[1][2] It also refers to the theory of rebirth and "cyclicality of all life, matter, existence", a fundamental assumption of all Indian religions.[2][3] Saṃsāra is sometimes referred to with terms or phrases such as transmigration, karmic cycle, reincarnation, and "cycle of aimless drifting, wandering or mundane existence".[2][4]

Rinnegan's name alone confirms that Sasuke it outside the cycle of life and death as Konan said

Yeah nice try. Madara wanted to be immortal and died. Needed Obito and Nagato to bring him back to life.
 

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naruto and sasuke is reincarnation of asura and indra they are not just Transmigrants

here VIZ viz translation says reincarnated

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manga stream says reborn

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only manga panda says both Transmigrants/reincarnated

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I tried to find the Viz, thanks!

you mean indra?

Same person really.
 

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How is Reincarnation not an example of immortality? So you're telling me a soul that is reborn over and over and OVER is not immortality? Come on Lol

Reincarnation is not immortality. Immortality is someone living forever. Indra is dead. His body is destroyed, and his soul is not being used by anyone else. Sure, Sasuke may carry his chakra and beliefs, but he is not Indra. How are you even defining who a person is? The only way is their soul and body, and Indra's are both gone.


The Manga never stated this.
No, but that was the story's intent obviously. Contrary to what you said below, now Sasuke no longer has Indra's beliefs.


The Manga explained it already, when Indra died and he reincarnated, his transmigrants always carried his beliefs, both Madara and Sasuke shared the same beliefs
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All three believed in Power and sought to achieve it, Ironically both Madara and Sasuke left Konoha to achieve said power, Madara for the rinnegan and Sasuke for Orochimaru's power,

So even if Sasuke died, not only will he come back but he will carry on Indra's will to accomplish peace the same way he sought in his past life, through that method Sasuke can say he is immortal, he will always come back with his beliefs intact.

Wrong. Sasuke said he attained access to immortality because of his Sharingan and Rinnegan. Indra's transmigration would have continued regardless of if Sasuke had those eyes, so obviously Sasuke was not talking about reincarnation.
 

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Yeah nice try. Madara wanted to be immortal and died. Needed Obito and Nagato to bring him back to life.

Madara awakened his Rinnegan when his body was beyond old hence why he needed the statue. And even then the statue kept him alive until Kakashi's generation which is proof that he could have remained immortal if remained synced.

In addition, the Gedo isn't the only way to be immortal

How is Reincarnation not an example of immortality? So you're telling me a soul that is reborn over and over and OVER is not immortality? Come on Lol


The Manga never stated this.



The Manga explained it already, when Indra died and he reincarnated, his transmigrants always carried his beliefs, both Madara and Sasuke shared the same beliefs
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All three believed in Power and sought to achieve it, Ironically both Madara and Sasuke left Konoha to achieve said power, Madara for the rinnegan and Sasuke for Orochimaru's power,

So even if Sasuke died, not only will he come back but he will carry on Indra's will to accomplish peace the same way he sought in his past life, through that method Sasuke can say he is immortal, he will always come back with his beliefs intact.


Same beliefs =/= identical goals (just look at Madara and Sasuke)

BZ also proved this by being the one to influence how they think, if it wasn't for him transmigrants would've followed their own path. Sasuke was nowhere like Indra before Itachi traumatized him

Having Indra and Ashura's chakra does not make transmigrants Indra and Ashura in the literal sense. It's like saying Madara and Sasuke are Hagoromo because they have his chakra.

You're taking the term "reincarnation" too literally, you're saying that Indra and Ashura are reincarnates like Hawk Guy and Hawk Girl but that's not the case because transmigrants don't have the memories of Hago's children nor of any of the previous transmigrants.

Naruto and Sasuke are their own person with their own souls which means Indra and Ashura did not possess them in the literal sense, Indra and Ashura don't have their conscious occupying the transmigrant's body hence why they're not considered alive nor immortal.

Indra and Ashura died and all that was left was a portion of their chakra, their chakra is what transmigrates into people but not in the same way Orochimaru does into bodies.
 

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Reincarnation is not immortality. Immortality is someone living forever. Indra is dead. His body is destroyed, and his soul is not being used by anyone else. Sure, Sasuke may carry his chakra and beliefs, but he is not Indra. How are you even defining who a person is? The only way is their soul and body, and Indra's are both gone.
The Manga says you're wrong bro.


No, but that was the story's intent obviously. Contrary to what you said below, now Sasuke no longer has Indra's beliefs.
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Their words parallel one another :|

Wrong. Sasuke said he attained access to immortality because of his Sharingan and Rinnegan. Indra's transmigration would have continued regardless of if Sasuke had those eyes, so obviously Sasuke was not talking about reincarnation.

WRONG, Sasuke never attributed his immortality to the Sharingan and the Rinnegan, read the panel again, There is a punctuation after he mentioned the Sharingan and Rinnegan, showing his immortality speech was entire different dialogue.
 

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Madara awakened his Rinnegan when his body was beyond old hence why he needed the statue. And even then the statue kept him alive until Kakashi's generation which is proof that he could have remained immortal if remained synced.

Sasuke clearly did not have the Gedo Mazo in mind when he said immortality, if he were to bring back the Gedo Mazo, it would be the reappearance of Kaguya and Black Zetsu all over again :| Even then, Madara was NOT Immortal, a life-support machine is not immortality my friend.

BZ also proved this by being the one to influence how they think,
All Black Zetsu did was rewrite the Tablets which by the way not every Uchiha could have read not even the Senjus, Madara is the only Transmigrant to have fully read the Stone Tablet.

Having Indra and Ashura's chakra does not make transmigrants Indra and Ashura in the literal sense. It's like saying Madara and Sasuke are Hagoromo because they have his chakra.

You're taking the term "reincarnation" too literally, you're saying that Indra and Ashura are reincarnates like Hawk Guy and Hawk Girl but that's not the case because transmigrants don't have the memories of Hago's children nor of any of the previous transmigrants.

The Manga says otherwise, even the Viz tells you that the sons reincarnated as Naruto and Sasuke, you're the one who is twisting the Manga.
 

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The Manga says you're wrong bro.
No, it doesn't.

Their words parallel one another :|
Indra doesn't have a single quote in the story. What are you talking about?


WRONG, Sasuke never attributed his immortality to the Sharingan and the Rinnegan, read the panel again, There is a punctuation after he mentioned the Sharingan and Rinnegan, showing his immortality speech was entire different dialogue.

Naruto asks "What will you do when you're gone?", and Sasuke replies with "I've finally found my solution. I have my Sharingan and now, the Rinnegan. Immortality is in my hands...there's always a way."

Unless you can explain why Sasuke would state he has those eyes though they have nothing to do with his immortality, it just sounds like you're in denial.
 
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