I'm tired of all the excuses made by the black community

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No, I'm am racist BY YOUR STANDARD of racism, not society's. Who's opinion matters more? The many or the few? ... You're in the few at this time. And almost in any case, our BIGOTRY was in response to internalized OPPRESSION that we continue to experience, NOT superiority. So, if I'm racist by your standards, oh well. Who are you? Compared to those who actually made "RACISM" what it has been since the 40's, a SOCIAL INSTITUTION PERPETRATED BY THE DOMINANT RACE IN A NATION

rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/Submit
noun
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Definition is from Google, which def count as the majority.

The characteristic possessed, according to you? The inability to be racist.
The race that possesses this, according to you? Black people.

Hate to break it to you, your belief fits the bill of racism.

Those aren't my standards, that's the world's since it's the official worldwide definition.

I'm done with this thread. Point Blank not all blacks are bad or good.

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They don't have to take anyway from you. Being disrespectul towards you because of your race is racism, already explained in previous posts.

Honestly, to me, in my mind, racism don't exist. If you feeling some type of way when i make a comment, then you got low self-esteem. So if someone being racist to me, they better be ready for whatever happen next! They could end up getting their feelings hurt or worst, end up dead or I simply don't care and go about my day.
 

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Well, you were the one who used the repressed fellings, or something similar. It's not my concept. It's the most accurate and general definition, and why I explained why.

This is a debate, son. I don't care if you care or not, we follow the logic, we follow the arguments. That's how it works.

Repressed feelings aren't the reason I feel the way I feel. Education is. Yes, I am affected by experiences. But in no way, shape, or form it affects for what I've learned, researched, and have talked about many times with professors and peers.
 

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I'm Black and Panamanian. The largest thing that I hate is everytime someone looks at me or my hair or my skin, they say are
You mixed? I ask why? Your hair and skin don't look black... So just because I'm not nappy McDarkskin I can't be black?

You just associated nappy hair and dark skin with black people
*Kanye shrug*
 

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rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/Submit
noun
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Definition is from Google, which def count as the majority.

The characteristic possessed, according to you? The inability to be racist.
The race that possesses this, according to you? Black people.

Hate to break it to you, your belief fits the bill of racism.

Those aren't my standards, that's the world's since it's the official worldwide definition.



Fixed.

logical points, much respect. i agree with a lot of the things you've said.
 

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rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/Submit
noun
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Definition is from Google, which def count as the majority.

The characteristic possessed, according to you? The inability to be racist.
The race that possesses this, according to you? Black people.

Hate to break it to you, your belief fits the bill of racism.

Those aren't my standards, that's the world's since it's the official worldwide definition.



Fixed.

Google? Really? ... Scholarly types use Merriam-Webster. Thank you.
And your definition of racism completely differs from mine and what America has been perpetrating for Centuries.

Bigotry fits our standards because we do not think of ourselves as superior... Our standards for our "hate and intolerance" comes
from internalized oppression. We're not the dominant race.
 

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Honestly, to me, in my mind, racism don't exist. If you feeling some type of way when i make a comment, then you got low self-esteem. So if someone being racist to me, they better be ready for whatever happen next! They could end up getting their feelings hurt or worst, end up dead or I simply don't care and go about my day.

That's not actually true. Desrespect is not relative as you're trying to make you seem. For exemple: "you're an idiot, you as*hole". A person yelling that at you, that's an insult, which is a form of disrespect.
If I try to aprove a law that banishes a group from walking in the streets, that's segregation and opression, which is disrespect as well.

It's not about hurting feelings: It's the sum of the idea of your statement, the situation in which it was stated, and your intention.

So racism does exist.
 

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That's not actually true. Desrespect is not relative as you're trying to make you seem. For exemple: "you're an idiot, you as*hole". A person yelling that at you, that's an insult, which is a form of disrespect.
If I try to aprove a law that banishes a group from walking in the streets, that's segregation and opression, which is disrespect as well.

It's not about hurting feelings: It's the sum of the idea of your statement, the situation in which it was stated, and your intention.

So racism does exist.

at that point, yeah that is racism. My way of thinking can only be applied to small shit.
 

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Google? Really? ... Scholarly types use Merriam-Webster. Thank you.
And your definition of racism completely differs from mine and what America has been perpetrating for Centuries.

Bigotry fits our standards because we do not think of ourselves as superior... Our standards for our "hate and intolerance" comes
from internalized oppression. We're not the dominant race.

Typical. Presented with proof and reasoning and your response is "It doesn't count." Truly pitiful.
 

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If African Americans lose their minds and wreck stuff when a white cop shoots an African American kid they're only making it worse for themselves. They're a part of their own vicious cycle.
 

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Heh.. No, I have justified neither.. I gave you a straight up question? "What can a black person's racism do to a white person? ... Absolutely nothing at all.."

Now slow down, skeeter.

Let's ask the same question. What can my racism do to the black people?

Hmm?

I'm just one guy.

"But there are others who-"

I'm just one guy. Why do people get concerned when I say something they think is 'racist?'

Because I can do something to them. I can shout at them. I can yell at them. I can refuse to do business with them. I can report them unfairly. I can judge them for their skin and not for their character.

No?

So then how are the black people free from being racists?

They can shout at me. They can attack me. They can refuse to do business with me. They can report me unfairly. They can judge me by the color of my skin rather than my character.

So I really don't see how one's race has anything to do with whether or not that person is committing racism.

Or is Uncle Tom only racist because he 'hates the black man?'

And their racism, isn't in actuality racism since there's feelings of OPPRESSION involved, not SUPERIORITY"

So... what if the white shop owners in Ferguson were to shoot the blacks breaking in and looting their stores?

That can't be racism since there are feelings of oppression, right? The thugs standing outside, chanting death threats and hurling fire bombs are oppressive, right?

And told you WHY our "Racism" isn't racism, it's bigotry.

No, no, son.

Racism is bigotry but bigotry is not always racism. Haven't you ever seen one of those Venn Diagrams? I hear that city folk only learn about such things in college - and you went to one of those, right?

Not once have I supported either. Even through admitting I'm bigoted...

You can say what you want, but you're being stupid is what you're being. Granted - you were educated to say stupid things - so it's kind of hard to hold you entirely responsible. But there are consequences for stupidity regardless of blame.

You may need to enter a Sociology course to better understand this, or become a Law Major. Then you may act like this isn't such a black and white issue. And actually UNDERSTAND the differences between Racism and Bigotry.

To be a racist is to be a bigot regarding ethnic origins. That is all it is.

I know they don't teach English in college these days - but there's an actual meaning to words, believe it or not. Even more amazing is that there's actually a system - a pattern - a STRUCTURE to language.

I know! Do wonders never cease?

Let's break down the word: "Racism."

Race - A population of peoples sharing a common ethnic. This can also be a political distinction (such as the distinction between Serbian, Bosnian, and Croatian - which was essentially the same ethnicity split across minor literary differences and religious affiliations).

ism - Concept of the noun thereof.

Therefore - "Racism" is the concept of politico-ethnic distinctions.

When one uses the term "Racism" it means their logic, reasoning, motivations, or actions are rooted in the concept of politico-ethnic distinctions amongst people. Nothing more. Nothing less.

So, when one uses race (politico-ethnic distinctions) to justify their actions - they are a "racist" - or one who uses race.

The word doesn't say -how- you use it. It doesn't say "if you are a racial minority and use the fact that you are a racial minority to justify your actions, you are not a racist."

It's interesting that you attempt to evoke 'legal' concepts.

You see - your boys are out there destroying the process of law. Which I can deal with - our system is so far gone that it should probably just have the reset button pushed on it, anyway.

But it means that legal terminology no longer has any meaning. What now has meaning is the court of mass perception and common sense.

What is coming - whether you realize it or not - is a time where those who can convince enough people to side with them are the law, at least regionally.

Your boys will have their fun - they will loot, plunder, and pillage. They will grow in number and be backed by the media.

Then they are going to meet the response. Not police officers in uniform or soldiers in armor - but the armed citizens who will not be intimidated by thugs. It will ultimately be a process that breaks this country's back and fragments us several ways... but your boys will be annihilated in the process.

It's unfortunate that it will come to that - but I highly doubt reason will be seen by the black youths being stirred up by the Communist Revolutionaries, ISIS/Islamic Nation and the Black Panthers. They will be used like the pawns they have been cultured to be as a torpedo into the federal union under this Constitution.

Like I said. Stupidity has a consequence regardless of where the blame for it lay.

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Please. Make a liar out of me.

Not by rejecting my observations but by rejecting the absolution of my forecast (and I'm not the only one who has made it and similar ones).


So please, exit stage left.


Arguments are futile in the face of reality.
 

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Repressed feelings aren't the reason I feel the way I feel. Education is. Yes, I am affected by experiences. But in no way, shape, or form it affects for what I've learned, researched, and have talked about many times with professors and peers.

Hum, ok but I think we're talking about diferent things in here. Ah, well, just look back to see big reply to one of your comments, if you feel like it.
 

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Gee.

I don't know.

I won't reply to that picture. Just gonna ask you this...What white people take away from black people?
 

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at that point, yeah that is racism. My way of thinking can only be applied to small shit.

To very subject "sh*t", I'd say so. But as I said, with a calm and logical analysis of the factors I mentioned: idea of statement, context of statement, intention of statement, we can determine most of the times if the sentence was disrespectful or not. Sometimes, people do overreact. We must find ways to determine that.

As an engineer student, and a physics and math fan, I try to find methods to determine everything in a logical way that would excluse most of the "subjectivity" people talk about all the time. After all, if we let everything falls under "the subjective" argument, we don't decide anything!
 

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To very subject "sh*t", I'd say so. But as I said, with a calm and logical analysis of the factors I mentioned: idea of statement, context of statement, intention of statement, we can determine most of the times if the sentence was disrespectful or not. Sometimes, people do overreact. We must find ways to determine that.

As an engineer student, and a physics and math fan, I try to find methods to determine everything in a logical way that would excluse most of the "subjectivity" people talk about all the time. After all, if we let everything falls under "the subjective" argument, we don't decide anything!

RIT Software Engineer student here!! XD But don't like physics and math! :sweat:
 
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