Im still convinced the Sage is toughest opponent in the series

[Jiren]

Madara couldn't handle the chakra required to use RinneSharingan. Kaguya and her children are a level above him.

Yeah but wouldn't unnerfed MAdara be too much to handle. He has limbo susanoos and every rinnegan jutsu

 

[SenseiSama]

Yeah but wouldn't unnerfed MAdara be too much to handle. He has limbo susanoos and every rinnegan jutsu

Yeah he would but unerfed Madara can never happen, it's like saying Sasuke with RSM will be unstoppable, it may be true but it's not a possible scenario

 

[Jiren]

Yeah he would but unerfed Madara can never happen, it's like saying Sasuke with RSM will be unstoppable, it may be true but it's not a possible scenario

How can you say Limbo Susanoo is not a possible scenario when MAdara is a Juubi Jin and possesses EMS.

 

[SenseiSama]

How can you say Limbo Susanoo is not a possible scenario when MAdara is a Juubi Jin and possesses EMS.

His Senjutsu is inferior to Naruto's and his dojutsu is inferior to Sasuke's. He was close to reaching Hagoromo's level but still nowhere near. You forget that Kaguya and her children have a direct relation to Shinju.

And he can't use his Sharingan powers with double Rinnegan, having both eyes basically overwrote any remaining Sharingan chakra Madara had. Kaguya and Sasuke's eyes are the only ones capable of using Sharingan powers

Edit : Edo Madara doesn't count because his Rinnegan was a fake

 

[5nationer]

Yeah but wouldn't unnerfed MAdara be too much to handle. He has limbo susanoos and every rinnegan jutsu

Hagoromo Solos everyone . Do no debate on that.

Hagoromo with jubbi and Rinnesharigan can kill all NV alone.

BTW where you took that signature i mean the scene

 

[Mellanoma]

His Senjutsu is inferior to Naruto's and his dojutsu is inferior to Sasuke's. He was close to reaching Hagoromo's level but still nowhere near. You forget that Kaguya and her children have a direct relation to Shinju.

And he can't use his Sharingan powers with double Rinnegan, having both eyes basically overwrote any remaining Sharingan chakra Madara had. Kaguya and Sasuke's eyes are the only ones capable of using Sharingan powers

Edit : Edo Madara doesn't count because his Rinnegan was a fake

@bold Is fanfic and canonically disproven.
Madara used Susanoo with no Eyes.


His Limbo canonically had the durability of Susanoo and Damage output as he:

Solo all 9 bijuu in 1 shot
Tanked Naruto's Senjutsu strikes

HE ALSO HAD TO SAVE/USE Chakra for infinite tsukyomi AND Divine Tree which is ultimately why I believe he was nerfed.

I imagine two world changing Genjutsu/Ninjutsu would require atleast 80% of your chakra

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

In terms of power Kaguya >>>> Hagoromo.

 

[Mellanoma]

In terms of power Kaguya >>>> Hagoromo.

Yup as stated.

Hagoromo jutsu feats makes me believe he can beat her IF she didn't require sun/moon seals.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Yup as stated.

Hagoromo jutsu feats makes me believe he can beat her IF she didn't require sun/moon seals.

So her immortality comes in the way of Hagoromo's victory. Maybe.

Still I think she'd be stronger than Hagoromo but might loose just cuz she's not good with strategy.