I'm starting to think you don't need tsukiyomi and amaterasu for susano'o

[oShux]

I was looking up the differences between raikiri and chidori, and amaterasu and enton, and found out on a page that C said that Sasuke uses Amaterasu with one eye and manipulates it with the other. So that means he doesn't have tsukiyomi?

It was on a wikia so I am skeptical but still...

And also for the people who say "Sasuke used it against Bee" there's no actual evidence that was tsukiyomi.

Discuss?

 

[~Puppet Master~]

Sasuke didn't use Tsukuyomi against Bee, since it would only last a number of seconds, Gyuki would barely be able to free Bee of genjutsu, which would still leave Bee mentally damaged.

I agree that Sasuke has Amaterasu in one eye, and Enton in the other.
Also note that, when Sasuke and Itachi were freeing each other from genjutsu, Itachi used Tsukuyomi and Sasuke used a regular Sharingan genjutsu.

 

[AllomnisymbolsparttwoT]

that databook is outdated, at that time itachi only had susanoo also if anybody goes by that databook then Madara and Sasuke should have yata mirrot and totsuka blade

 

[oShux]

Sasuke didn't use Tsukuyomi against Bee, since it would only last a number of seconds, Gyuki would barely be able to free Bee of genjutsu, which would still leave Bee mentally damaged.

I agree that Sasuke has Amaterasu in one eye, and Enton in the other.
Also note that, when Sasuke and Itachi were freeing each other from genjutsu, Itachi used Tsukuyomi and Sasuke used a regular Sharingan genjutsu.

You make a point except for the first part what if Sasuke just isn't that skilled in using it to manipulate a persons perception of time? Cause Danzo does contradict my whole thread with his quote "His genjutsu pales in comparison to Itachi's who could manipulate a persons perception of time and space" Of course Danzo didn't say tsukiyomi specifically but It makes me wonder why would Kishi make danzo compare their two genjutsu's

that databook is outdated, at that time itachi only had susanoo also if anybody goes by that databook then Madara and Sasuke should have yata mirrot and totsuka blade

I'm too busy laughing at your sig bro

 

[IzAnAgI4200]

Sussano is a definite uchia power but it depends on the family as to whether what the other two ms powers will be. I believe izanagi and izanami are a power all uchias can possess with training of some kind. But if you have two sharingans and have ms then once you have unlocked the two powers either specific to you or your family, you get the uchia trump card. . .sussano. That's what I believe any way.

 

[IzAnAgI4200]

Genjutsu had no effect on a jinnchurki because they have a mental link to redirect the chakra flow, that's how genjutsu works it disturbs the chakra flow by sending the users chakra in to who they are attacking.

 

[Avinash012]

Sasuke didn't use Tsukuyomi against Bee, since it would only last a number of seconds, Gyuki would barely be able to free Bee of genjutsu, which would still leave Bee mentally damaged.

I agree that Sasuke has Amaterasu in one eye, and Enton in the other.
Also note that, when Sasuke and Itachi were freeing each other from genjutsu, Itachi used Tsukuyomi and Sasuke used a regular Sharingan genjutsu.

If he didn't used Tsukiyomi there is no need for him to activete this....

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MS users on endup like this when they used either Ama or Tsuki

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[xcoyote]

that databook is outdated, at that time itachi only had susanoo also if anybody goes by that databook then Madara and Sasuke should have yata mirrot and totsuka blade

this

 

[Misconception]

Madara dosen't have Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi...

 

[Gerkak]

this answers all questions regarding this topic

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[Penguin]

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1. Obito says Susano'o is rare due to MS being rare. The average Uchiha adult has trouble obtaining the 3T sharingan. Madara and Izuna were the first Uchiha to obtain the MS.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Of course you don't need Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu to unlock Susanoo.I don't know why people still believe that since Sasuke said you had to unlock the Mangekyo Sharingan in both eyes in order to awaken Susanoo.

 

[NoMoreLove]

Im not sure if you specifically need ama and tsukuyomi

Im pretty sure you just have to awaken the power of MS in BOTH eyes. So both eyes have a different power and when you control both you obtain susanoo.. This is my interpretation

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

I had initially believed that Sasuke did not have Tsukuyomi but I am not entirely sure on that. Perhaps Enton has it's root within Tsukuyomi, which, instead of manipulating time and space within genjutsu as Itachi does, Sasuke does so instead upon the flames of Amaterasu. Perhaps he even put out the flames by manipulating the amount of time in which the flames are active.

There is also the fact that the genjutsu Sasuke used on Itachi, was different from the genjutsu used on Bee.

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The inverted color is typically a calling card of Tsukuyomi.

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Personally, I'm not 100 percent certain, perhaps Kishimoto decided to take a different direction since then but there is enough supporting evidence to make a case for it, at the least.

In regards to Susanoo, I'm not completely certain as we've yet to see abilities apart from Susanoo from Madara.

 

[Exaar]

I was looking up the differences between raikiri and chidori, and amaterasu and enton, and found out on a page that C said that Sasuke uses Amaterasu with one eye and manipulates it with the other. So that means he doesn't have tsukiyomi?

It was on a wikia so I am skeptical but still...

And also for the people who say "Sasuke used it against Bee" there's no actual evidence that was tsukiyomi.

Discuss?

It's never been stated that Each Ms eye is limited to One tehch.

Also there is evidence, Ms jutsu's put stress on the Eyes when used, Sasuke activated his Ms use a "Genjutsu" then put his hand over his Eye (most likely due to pain) and started panting. A normal genjutsu wouldn't of had such effects.

 

[adeshina365]

that databook is outdated, at that time itachi only had susanoo also if anybody goes by that databook then Madara and Sasuke should have yata mirrot and totsuka blade

Pretty much.

Sasuke = Amaterasu + Enton
Itachi = Amaterasu + Tsukuyomi

Both have Susanoo.

 

[Booker]

It's complete speculation to say Sasuke has Tsukuyomi.

 

[oShux]

Madara dosen't have Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi...

It's too soon to say that just cause we haven't seen him use it doesn't mean anything

It's complete speculation to say Sasuke has Tsukuyomi.

Yea thats what I'm thinking at this point

 

[Misconception]

It's too soon to say that just cause we haven't seen him use it doesn't mean anything


Yea thats what I'm thinking at this point

We've seen Madara and Hashirama fight... If he didn't use it there when they both were going all out i doubt he has it... He didn't use it fighting the 5kage aswell face it Madara dosen't have Amaterasu...

 

[oShux]

We've seen Madara and Hashirama fight... If he didn't use it there when they both were going all out i doubt he has it... He didn't use it fighting the 5kage aswell face it Madara dosen't have Amaterasu...

Going by your logic since Madara didn't use the techniques means he doesn't have them. So since he didn't use ANY MS techniques that means his MS are useless and have no abilities in them at all. We only saw part of Hashirama and Madara's fight and the kages are fodder to him plus he was a edo he wasn't trying. I'm not saying he has amaterasu but until we see him use two other MS techniques we can't say anything.