[Theory] Im-sama and the Twenty Swords

[WhistleBlower]

IM-SAMA & THE 20 SWORDS [Not mine but thought it was interesting]


I have some time to kill so i thought i would just ramble for a bit. If the topic interests you feel free to add in your two cents or whatever.


What i basically wanted to talk about here are the world government and Im-sama. I am going to come right out and say it, that i think that Im-sama is immortal. I believe that he is the one that he is the one that Luffy’s first predecessor fought against, and i think i know why the celestial dragons are afraid of the clan of D.


If you look at the World Government, they like to put on this big front of being about democracy, about how they have order, and how only they are able to bring about true justice. The question i would like to ask is why? Why would they have to do such a thing? Well my theory about why the WG cares so much about this image of justice is that in the past there was no democracy, there was no justice. You see one trait with Roger, and Luffy that seems to be the most similar is their desire for freedom. If this trait is something of importance and it was passed down from their predecessor that lived in the void century then it is a logical conclusion that he valued freedom as well, and if he had an adversary then one could assume that that one was probably against freedom. That one could probably even be called a tyrant.

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800-900 years ago I believe that there was one tyrant who called himself God and held the power to shape the world and during that century a Hero that possessed the Name D and was willing to stand up to this tyrant in the name of freedom. I believe that man was Joy Boy since during that 100 years he is the only one that we have seen from that time period that bears a connection to Luffy and Roger. I believe that Joy Boy back in that time was a beloved hero just like Luffy was when he left Fishman island. (The whole Hero’s hat thing sounded like it was an important call to something.) During that time I think that many believed Joy Boy was the only one who could rally the world’s nations to side with him and fight Im-sama. During that fight I believe that Joy Boy did indeed manage to get the best of Im-sama, but in the end he was betrayed, by none other than the men whose twenty swords stand before the empty throne. (The 19 Kings that make up the Celestial Dragons as well as the then head of the Nefertari family.)


I theorize that these 20 kings secretly swore their loyalty to Im-sama in exchange for Godhood and since Joy Boy was dead they claimed publicly to carry on his will to gain the ppl's favor. Using his name, and the power that they were granted from Im-sama I believe that those twenty kings restructured the world for their own benefit. One such case would be the Red Line separating the seas making a world wide revolt a lot more difficult.


From what I can theorize the void century probably consists of the rise of Im-sama, then the rise of Joy Boy the Revolutionary, after that came the birth of Celestial Dragons, and whatever attrocities they had to commit in order to cement their rule and stamp out any threats


Going to also make a prediction and say that the Nefetari clan betrayed the other celestial dragons by hiding Pluton from them, in fear of Im-sama’s tyranny returning.


What are your thoughts?

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[Easyfathom]

Obvious.

Wasn't this a thing from waaaaaaay back when Clover was talking of history? Like we didn't have names, but the general idea is pretty much the exact same.

Nothing new here imo other than putting a name to a face.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Im is Shanks' dad

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

The 20 swords belonging to the traitors sounds cool. It'd make sense if they were already kings who he had rallied together.

 

[Caliburn]

Uhm this all seems to be nothing more than conjecture without anything substantial to support it.

For starters why does there even have to be such a complicated reason for the WG to advocate justice and democracy? You asked yourself why? But why? I mean there's a quite a simple reason: it's bloody efficient. If the WG was a public institution that's ruled by one single person who can decide whatever he wishes, they would have to deal with insurrections on a daily basis as on average people don't like to be ruled forcefully by foreign powers. A democracy means that everyone, in one way or another, has a say. So by creating the illusion of choice, countries even line up to become part of the WG.

Essentially they want to play the good guys, which is a method that's as old as the street. They might have gotten the mustard somewhere, but you really shouldn't make this appear like it's something enigmatic as it isn't.

Secondly we know that one of the primary players of the Void Century was an ancient kingdom that was a rising powers for a 100 years. That doesn't really rhyme with the notion of freedom people like Luffy and Roger have. We also know that the WG was founded after the Void Century. There's only a mentioning of an alliance of 20 kings that preceded it, which in itself is already food for debate as alliances tend to be something very temporary. You follow the hypothesis that the ancient kingdom wanted to go against someone, but personally I find it more plausible that either there were two growing powers who eventually clashed or that it was actually the ancient kingdom that was first and that there were certain groups who were afraid of losing their power and then joined hands to counterbalance it. The image you drew also gives the impression that this was just one episode, but this lasted a 100 years.

Thirdly no one knows Joy Boy, the entire history of the Void century is erased. So why exactly would the WG then use him as a martyr? The Celestial Dragons also were created after the VC as they are the descendants of the WG's founders. Also if there was such a powerful, godly tyrant, why did he had to go such lengths to destroy his foes? It's kind of contradictory. They way Clover talked about the ancient kingdom and the WG, he even implied it was the WG who was doing the revolting.

Lastly all your talk about revolutionaries and tyrants makes to feel to me like nothing more than a rehash of the current plot, which would be a downer.

 

[WhistleBlower]

Uhm this all seems to be nothing more than conjecture without anything substantial to support it.

For starters why does there even have to be such a complicated reason for the WG to advocate justice and democracy? You asked yourself why? But why? I mean there's a quite a simple reason: it's bloody efficient. If the WG was a public institution that's ruled by one single person who can decide whatever he wishes, they would have to deal with insurrections on a daily basis as on average people don't like to be ruled forcefully by foreign powers. A democracy means that everyone, in one way or another, has a say. So by creating the illusion of choice, countries even line up to become part of the WG.

Essentially they want to play the good guys, which is a method that's as old as the street. They might have gotten the mustard somewhere, but you really shouldn't make this appear like it's something enigmatic as it isn't.

Secondly we know that one of the primary players of the Void Century was an ancient kingdom that was a rising powers for a 100 years. That doesn't really rhyme with the notion of freedom people like Luffy and Roger have. We also know that the WG was founded after the Void Century. There's only a mentioning of an alliance of 20 kings that preceded it, which in itself is already food for debate as alliances tend to be something very temporary. You follow the hypothesis that the ancient kingdom wanted to go against someone, but personally I find it more plausible that either there were two growing powers who eventually clashed or that it was actually the ancient kingdom that was first and that there were certain groups who were afraid of losing their power and then joined hands to counterbalance it. The image you drew also gives the impression that this was just one episode, but this lasted a 100 years.

Thirdly no one knows Joy Boy, the entire history of the Void century is erased. So why exactly would the WG then use him as a martyr? The Celestial Dragons also were created after the VC as they are the descendants of the WG's founders. Also if there was such a powerful, godly tyrant, why did he had to go such lengths to destroy his foes? It's kind of contradictory. They way Clover talked about the ancient kingdom and the WG, he even implied it was the WG who was doing the revolting.

Lastly all your talk about revolutionaries and tyrants makes to feel to me like nothing more than a rehash of the current plot, which would be a downer.

I don't think you can read properly because you would've wrote "this theory that you've found...i think, this and that about it" instead of using words like "you" and "your".

 

[Liquid Snake]

Yea but if they are descendants then rodger and luffy would be related i think its more of a will that awakens a special haki but ur theory is awesome