Im ending this, Hinata is Konohas Top Kunoichi

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

You're ending this debate? Oh thank f*ck, finally.

Shame you're not Kishimoto otherwise your opinion might actually be more important than...every other NB poster.

 

[Icelerate]

Yeah i kinda understand the first part. I was basically bringing up the exclamation dude to point out how fast those spikes were since his reaction seemed to portray he had no idea what was going on despite not needing any special abilities to at least see the spikes coming considering the distance they had to travel. The distance was shortened when the hand came down for the pinpoint attack meaning the spikes would probably be 2x faster at that point.

Exclamation point doesn't mean the spikes were so fast that the fodder couldn't react given that the fodders were able to react as was shown when they used katon to burn the spikes. The exclamation was just shock expressed that their comrades were dying.

Perhaps my perception of a blitzing attack is incorrect so pardon my questions.

- Is there any way to compare the speed of the spike's and Sakura's to say for a fact she is faster than the spikes?
- Does the fact that X is faster than Y mean Y is going to get blitzed by X?
- Doesn't striking speed factor into a blitz attack seeing as iirc, despite Sasuke covering the distance against Deidara, he wasn't able to draw his sword before Deidara reacted/fled?

1. I don't know if we can compare them directly.

2. No.

3. Good point but to compensate for Sakura's relatively slow striking speed, she can either reel back her arm beforehand and start striking before reaching Hinata or she could simply put her palm on Hinata and knock her out with deadly medical ninjutsu.

Also, she wasn't standing exactly beside Naruto before the attack so it isn't like she reacted when the spikes were already close to her.

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so she only needed to travel a very small distance. But you are right that Hinata would have reacted a moment before that event when the spikes were in point blank range.

Well like i said, you had a point and i was probably using the DB wrongly.

Okay.

I just figured since seal-less Sakura was able to evade Sasori's projectiles but needed Kakashi's help against the Juubi spikes coming from a much farther distance whereas Hinata pinpointed one of the spikes and palmed it away that would put Hinata over the Sasori fight Sakura in reactions since if Sasori's projectiles had the speed of the spikes, Sasori fight Sakura wouldn't have been able to react to them?

Juubi spikes had a much greater quantity than Sasori's projectiles so you can't just say Juubi spikes are faster. Sakura doesn't even have vacuum palm which is easier than physically dodging and she also doesn't have a Byakugan to pinpoint a large quantity of projectiles. This says nothing about Hinata's physical reactions being above Sakura's against an individual target that both can pinpoint just fine. Also being more reflexive than EP2 Sakura doesn't mean she'd react to a blitz unless the gap in reactions is larger than the gap in speed of the momentum of KN3 Kyuubi's chakra roar and the momentum of Sakura's CES.

Also the hand in the Kaguya fight wasn't from Juubi heights. It was farther off as i believe the Juubi/Kaguya was floating in the air?

The beast was floating in the air but the chakra arms had already

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. Not to mention Kaguya's Juubi form is smaller.

 

[Jinrou]

Exclamation point doesn't mean the spikes were so fast that the fodder couldn't react given that the fodders were able to react as was shown when they used katon to burn the spikes. The exclamation was just shock expressed that their comrades were dying.

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is different from

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who are different from

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The shinobi at the beginning of the first wave's body position supports a scenario where he doesn't see the spikes coming and exclaims in surprise when someone behind him yells in pain. With the distance at which the spikes came from, he really should be looking up not forward.

And i'm not sure the fact a Shinobi is no named means he is automatically a fodder.

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is no named. But he just survived having a meteor dropped on the SA (him included) without assistance/protection from the main characters. And we know the meteor killed a lot because of

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1. I don't know if we can compare them directly.

2. No.

3. Good point but to compensate for Sakura's relatively slow striking speed, she can either reel back her arm beforehand and start striking before reaching Hinata or she could simply put her palm on Hinata and knock her out with deadly medical ninjutsu.

2. Since you say no, then what's the criteria for not getting blitzed by someone faster?

3. The first part is very plausible but i'm sort of not entirely convinced Hinata get's blitzed without any form of reaction.

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so she only needed to travel a very small distance. But you are right that Hinata would have reacted a moment before that event when the spikes were in point blank range.

The bottom panel shows she's slightly behind Naruto's left hand side though and she comes from his right during the pinpoint attack. Is it really point blank at that point though seeing as she still re-positions her body and Neji was still able to come in and intercept a few feet from her?

Juubi spikes had a much greater quantity than Sasori's projectiles so you can't just say Juubi spikes are faster. Sakura doesn't even have vacuum palm which is easier than physically dodging and she also doesn't have a Byakugan to pinpoint a large quantity of projectiles. This says nothing about Hinata's physical reactions being above Sakura's against an individual target that both can pinpoint just fine. Also being more reflexive than EP2 Sakura doesn't mean she'd react to a blitz unless the gap in reactions is larger than the gap in speed of the momentum of KN3 Kyuubi's chakra roar and the momentum of Sakura's CES.

Yes..Juubi spikes had a much greater quantity but since NV humans are still small compared to regular bijuu much less the Juubi, there was more than enough wriggle space in between spikes as we see

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as opposed to the wriggle space that will be between Sasori's much more compact projectiles.

Sasori fight Sakura was able to dodge Sasori's projectiles but her advanced self was barely able to react to the juubi spikes despite the larger wriggle space and the spikes coming from a larger distance than Sasori's projectiles. In reality, those 3 supposed fodders actually did better than Sakura against the spikes seeing as they would have required handseals to use what i believe was a fire style jutsu.

Not to mention Hinata says the spikes were fast but since it was 'Hinata' that said so, everybody assumes the spikes were fast for her whereas when speed is referenced in the manga, most of the time it's to let readers know the person/thing being commented on is fast and not that the one who commented on it can't actually react to them just like RSM Naruto and the Juubi/Kaguya.

The beast was floating in the air but the chakra arms had already

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. Not to mention Kaguya's Juubi form is smaller.

It was the hand that absorbed the Naruto clone that went for Sakura i believe and we see at that height they are far above what i believe are mountains and the grounded Juubi is just about

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. Actually if the SA are still visible as dots from that height, then the

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should at least be visible from Naruto and Sasuke's position.
Does increase in Chakra also increase reaction time?

 

[neosmith500]

Remember early Shippuden Kabuto getting sent flying by a Kyuubi roar and blitzing Sakura? Well Sakura's punch is way stronger than a mere roar so we can agree that the Juubi clone was also travelling much faster.

Whats ur reasoning behind the bold to deduce the faster momentum?

 

[Icelerate]

Whats ur reasoning behind the bold?

More momentum = more speed.

 

[neosmith500]

More momentum = more speed.

Yea but why would the Juubi travel faster than Kabuto was? it makes sense that Sakura's punch would likely carry more force behind it but wats ur reasoning to prove this?

 

[Icelerate]

Yea but why would the Juubi travel faster than Kabuto was? it makes sense that Sakura's punch would likely carry more force behind it but wats ur reasoning to prove this?

Sakura's punch is far stronger than KN3 roar.

 

[neosmith500]

Sakura's punch is far stronger than KN3 roar.

Yea but that doesn't mean the shockwave from the roar doesn't have enough force behind it to send something like the juubling flying faster than Sakura's punch , just like in the case of Shinra tensei or Wall palm.

 

[Icelerate]

Yea but that doesn't mean the shockwave from the roar doesn't have enough force behind it to send something like the juubling flying faster than Sakura's punch , just like in the case of Shinra tensei or Wall palm.

Depends on which version of ST. The surface area of an attack also matters as well so you have a point but pretty sure the total energy the Juubi fission was hit by surpasses the energy that Kabuto was hit by considering he survived the attack just fine but even something like punching the ground would do more severe damage if close enough.

 

[neosmith500]

Depends on which version of ST. The surface area of an attack also matters as well so you have a point but pretty sure the total energy the Juubi fission was hit by surpasses the energy that Kabuto was hit by considering he survived the attack just fine but even something like punching the ground would do more severe damage if close enough.

A ST on edo nagato's level. Kabuto surviving doesn't really prove much since the attack was merely a shockwave created from the roar without giving nearly as much damage on impact compared to CES while in the case of Sakura's punch , its much more.

 

[Icelerate]

A ST on edo nagato's level. Kabuto surviving doesn't really prove much since the attack was merely a shockwave created from the roar without giving nearly as much damage on impact compared to CES while in the case of Sakura's punch , its much more.

So if CES is much stronger, it will give more momentum. The ST used by edo Nagato didn't send Bee nearly as fast as Sakura's punch sent Juubi clone.

 

[KidGamer65]

Sakura would destroy Hinata in a fight.

 

[neosmith500]

So if CES is much stronger, it will give more momentum. The ST used by edo Nagato didn't send Bee nearly as fast as Sakura's punch sent Juubi clone.

Both are different , one simply creates a shockwave while the other uses massive impact force which is why i wanted to know why one would send character faster than the other. How do u know that B wasn't sent flying as fast especially while considering the location and the fact that it was a focused hit from close range but a mid range hit?

 

[Icelerate]

Both are different , one simply creates a shockwave while the other uses massive impact force which is why i wanted to know why one would send character faster than the other. How do u know that B wasn't sent flying as fast especially while considering the location and the fact that it was a focused hit from close range but a mid range hit?

It being different doesn't change the massive power gap between the two. Some of the energy of Sakura's punch was used to kill and damage/bend the Juubi clone but obviously that's not even half of the total energy of Sakura's punch which meant the rest would be used up as kinetic energy.

Bee didn't create a massive shock wave unlike the flying Juubi clone.

 

[neosmith500]

It being different doesn't change the massive power gap between the two. Some of the energy of Sakura's punch was used to kill and damage/bend the Juubi clone but obviously that's not even half of the total energy of Sakura's punch which meant the rest would be used up as kinetic energy.

Bee didn't create a massive shock wave unlike the flying Juubi clone.

But how exactly can we compare that power-cap? The roar is supported by 3T worth of power exploding outward and by visuals im not seeing exactly why the Juubling was moving faster which is why im asking u this.

- B wasn't exactly hit directly or from close range if i remember correctly and as i said the location also played a part here since numerous tree's would hinder the rate at which B flew , so imo a direct ST should be capable of creating a massive shockwave if under similar conditions as it was with Kabuto and the Juubling.

This is the same with Wall palm which if struck from the same distance should create enough kinetic energy to replicate sakura's feat but even then i wouldn't be able to accurately give a comparison..