The Tenseigan was stated to be as strong as Madara's power. Hinata has Rikudo Chakra from Hamura and is his descendant and was the key to destroying it. Sakura got owned repeatedly by Madara and forgot how to breathe. I swear Sakura and SS faps are probably more retarded than the Shadowclones
The Tenseigan was stated to be as strong as Madara's power. Hinata has Rikudo Chakra from Hamura and is his descendant and was the key to destroying it. Sakura got owned repeatedly by Madara and forgot how to breathe. I swear Sakura and SS faps are probably more retarded than the Shadowclones
Hinata's Rikudo Enhance chakra was the key to destroying the Tenseigan, which was stated to be on Madara's level. Sakura is not touching her, so you're gonna have to deal with it. All she can is punch the ground or blindly try to punch someone up close. She couldn't even take on a fodder from the Cloud Village
, you'll see the distance between Naruto and Sakura. Then we'll subtract the
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at the moment when Kabuto gets sent flying to arrive at the distance between Sakura and Kabuto.
According the the first spoiler below, the distance between Sakura and Naruto is 12.86 times greater than Yamato's height. Yamato is 1.78 m tall so the distance between Sakura and Naruto is 23.66 m. According to the second spoiler below, the distance between Kabuto and Naruto is 1.84 times greater than Kabuto's bent height. Kabuto's real height is 1.77 m so the distance between Kabuto and Naruto is somewhat lower than 3.26 m. When we subtract the distance between Naruto and Kabuto with the distance between Sakura and Naruto, we get the distance between Kabuto and Sakura, which is 20.40 m. I took the upper limit of the distance between Kabuto and Naruto so the actual distance is greater. Nevertheless, we get the fact that Kabuto was 20 m away from Sakura when she got blitzed in the head. This makes the speed at which Naruto's roar sent Kabuto flying to be greater than any iron sand variant because Sakura was able to physically react to iron sand's speed. Only the unpredictability of Sasori's final iron sand attack was a problem.
Now let's fast forward to when Sakura gets the yin seal.
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despite the Juubi clone having a head start. As you can see below in the spoiler, Sakura travels over 75% the distance compared to the clone she had punched. Considering the fact that she also traveled high in a parabolic path unlike the Juubi clone which traveled in a straight line, the distance she covered relative to the Juubi clone should be even greater. Now take into account the fact that she leaped afterwards, she had less time to reach the moving fission so I think we can agree she's roughly as fast as the Juubi clone she punched. If you still have apprehensions, do bare in mind utilizing leg strength to take off should produce at least the same amount of energy because legs/feet hold greater strength than arms/fists.
Remember early Shippuden Kabuto getting sent flying by a Kyuubi roar and blitzing Sakura? Well Sakura's punch is way stronger than a mere roar so we can agree that the Juubi clone was also travelling much faster. This means Sakura at this point travels fast enough to effortlessly blitz her early Shippuden self from a range of 20+ m. This makes base yin seal Sakura's speed on a whole other level to Sasori's iron sand attacks as well as base Tsunade.
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There are no definite feats that would put Hinata's reaction time to be comfortably superior to EP2 Sakura so she's going to get blitzed.
lol at Oro being in there but I guess it does count in a way :lol.
Kushina isn't really a fighter though. Her chains have no offensive feats too. I don't think tenten can beat her. I agree with the rest. haven't seen much of alive fu and i'm pretty sure she can't control her bijuu. But edo fuu shits.
kaguya Sealed so they won't fight
Temari 50/50
sakura NO
Tenten NO
Anko Overwieght women ain't putting up a fight
kurotsuchi Yes
chiyo Dead
konan Dead
Mei Yes
Tsunade Yes
pakura Dead
Fu Dead
Yugito Dead
kushina Dead
Orochimaru in female body Don't count as he's not a female
lol no offense, but really dude. Your excuses for her not fighting Fu yugito kushina anko and kaguya are pretty strange lmao. This is the vs collesium, we make rankings with characters that are dead (1-4 hokages, Itachi, Madara etc.) or don't exist anymore (Kaguya, DMS Kakashi, Skinny Anko etc.). The exceptions to this is if the poster takes into consideration the statuses of alive characters which sangatsu no lion didn't.
, you'll see the distance between Naruto and Sakura. Then we'll subtract the
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at the moment when Kabuto gets sent flying to arrive at the distance between Sakura and Kabuto.
According the the first spoiler below, the distance between Sakura and Naruto is 12.86 times greater than Yamato's height. Yamato is 1.78 m tall so the distance between Sakura and Naruto is 23.66 m. According to the second spoiler below, the distance between Kabuto and Naruto is 1.84 times greater than Kabuto's bent height. Kabuto's real height is 1.77 m so the distance between Kabuto and Naruto is somewhat lower than 3.26 m. When we subtract the distance between Naruto and Kabuto with the distance between Sakura and Naruto, we get the distance between Kabuto and Sakura, which is 20.40 m. I took the upper limit of the distance between Kabuto and Naruto so the actual distance is greater. Nevertheless, we get the fact that Kabuto was 20 m away from Sakura when she got blitzed in the head. This makes the speed at which Naruto's roar sent Kabuto flying to be greater than any iron sand variant because Sakura was able to physically react to iron sand's speed. Only the unpredictability of Sasori's final iron sand attack was a problem.
Now let's fast forward to when Sakura gets the yin seal.
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despite the Juubi clone having a head start. As you can see below in the spoiler, Sakura travels over 75% the distance compared to the clone she had punched. Considering the fact that she also traveled high in a parabolic path unlike the Juubi clone which traveled in a straight line, the distance she covered relative to the Juubi clone should be even greater. Now take into account the fact that she leaped afterwards, she had less time to reach the moving fission so I think we can agree she's roughly as fast as the Juubi clone she punched. If you still have apprehensions, do bare in mind utilizing leg strength to take off should produce at least the same amount of energy because legs/feet hold greater strength than arms/fists.
Remember early Shippuden Kabuto getting sent flying by a Kyuubi roar and blitzing Sakura? Well Sakura's punch is way stronger than a mere roar so we can agree that the Juubi clone was also travelling much faster. This means Sakura at this point travels fast enough to effortlessly blitz her early Shippuden self from a range of 20+ m. This makes base yin seal Sakura's speed on a whole other level to Sasori's iron sand attacks as well as base Tsunade.
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There are no definite feats that would put Hinata's reaction time to be comfortably superior to EP2 Sakura so she's going to get blitzed
Nice..I always figured the catching up to the clone feat wasn't anything special really...but the parabolic path point really makes a lot of sense.
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Comparing Sakura with Obito and Madara, I think it's safe to say the distance between Obito and Madara with the SA is farther than the distance between Sakura and Naruto/Sasuke.
The Mokuton spikes from the Juubi's hands impacted
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from that height giving them an impressive speed feat and we see Hinata
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one of them.
In another scenario, we see her
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Naruto and the spikes launched from a much closer distance which logically should drastically subtract from any reaction time one had from the original wave which came from a farther height.
Based on her movements of shielding Naruto with time to spare for Neji to blitz in and cover, I'm pretty sure it's safe to say if those were directed at her, she would be able to evade them.
All that + the Byakugan’s ability to track speed as we saw when Neji was using his to keep track of Gated Lee, makes it seem implausible that Sakura can just outright blitz Hinata without any form of reaction.
Comparing Sakura with Obito and Madara, I think it's safe to say the distance between Obito and Madara with the SA is farther than the distance between Sakura and Naruto/Sasuke.
The Mokuton spikes from the Juubi's hands impacted
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from that height giving them an impressive speed feat and we see Hinata
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one of them.
In another scenario, we see her
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Naruto and the spikes launched from a much closer distance which logically should drastically subtract from any reaction time one had from the original wave which came from a farther height.
Based on her movements of shielding Naruto with time to spare for Neji to blitz in and cover, I'm pretty sure it's safe to say if those were directed at her, she would be able to evade them.
All that + the Byakugan’s ability to track speed as we saw when Neji was using his to keep track of Gated Lee, makes it seem implausible that Sakura can just outright blitz Hinata without any form of reaction.
First of all the distance traveled being superior doesn't necessarily make the attack faster. Secondly, the gap between Hinata and the Juubi's hand is at least as large as the gap between Hiashi and the Juubi hand he just palmed away, which is
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. This doesn't even take into account that Hiashi also
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, not just above, so the actual distance is much larger because we can't see depth in a 2D depiction.
Then there is the fact
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. Furthermore, Neji managed to come in between the wooden spikes and Hinata, even though the distance between the wooden spikes and Hinata is pretty small when Neji is still no where to be seen. This implies Neji is faster than the wooden spikes and Hinata barely reacted to something slower than WA Neji coming from really far. Therefore, if Neji can blitz Hinata from long distances, I don't see why Sakura can't do the same to Hinata especially when there is nothing concrete suggesting Hinata's reactions surpass EP2 Sakura's and there is also nothing concrete that suggests that WA Neji is faster than WA Sakura.
First of all the distance traveled being superior doesn't necessarily make the attack faster. Secondly, the gap between Hinata and the Juubi's hand is at least as large as the gap between Hiashi and the Juubi hand he just palmed away, which is
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. This doesn't even take into account that Hiashi also
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, not just above, so the actual distance is much larger because we can't see depth in a 2D depiction.
Then there is the fact
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. Furthermore, Neji manage to come in between the wooden spikes and Hinata even though the distance between the wooden spikes and Hinata is pretty small when Neji is still no where to be seen. This implies Neji is faster than the wooden spikes and Hinata barely reacted to something slower than WA Neji coming from really far. Therefore, if Neji can blitz Hinata from long distances, I don't see why Sakura can't do the same to Hinata especially when there is nothing concrete suggesting Hinata's reactions surpass EP2 Sakura's and there is also nothing concrete that suggests that WA Neji is faster than WA Sakura.
I understand the underlined and that's why i said the parabolic path point makes a lot of sense. Any Ninja would travel any distance but different ninjas would get to the same distance faster than others would.
The Juubi spikes looked to have been incredibly fast seeing as you don't need to be exceptional to at least see something coming from that far out but as we see from
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, the ninja in the top left of the last panel was already dead meaning the exclamation shinobi reacted incredibly late.
As for the 40m point, i don't entirely fancy manga measurements as i'm also of the opinion that things in the manga aren't exactly drawn to scale. For example, if we used the measurements from
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, then we'll come to a conclusion Hinata during Pain's invasion traveled a distance upwards of 37km in the time it took Deva to insert 5 rods into Naruto and use Shinra Tensei on the Ma toad.
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But it's not that it matters anyway as i just wanted to show the spikes were fast and the hand coming closer to the SA would drastically subtract any reaction time anyone would have from the initial spike wave.
I can't see the last image you linked but i believe you're referring to the scan where Neji is impaled? If so, I don't believe Hinata barely reacted there. Hiashi makes it clear an air palm from both Hinata and Neji
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because of the volume meaning there was absolutely nothing Hinata could do except shield or carry him away. And i don't believe Hinata has the strength to accomplish the latter. Hinata steadying herself to shield Naruto completely with time to spare for Neji to body flicker in despite the speed of said spikes should imply she did actually react to them early enough.
Who is EP2 Sakura? The version that fought Sasori? If that Sakura could react to Sasori's projectiles but a superior version (Early War Arc Sakura) could barely react to the Juubi spikes that Hinata was
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, doesn't that put Hinata above that Sakura in reactions?
you could actually see distance between between hinata and naruto and if no name fodder can make handseal and execute jutsu [
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] to counter much closely fired juubi spikes dunno whats special about hinata air palming it or moving a little to cover naruto from spikes fire from larger distance.
Add the fact Hinata can see chakra build up beforehand so she could have still reacted faster than other shinobi's against but she herself said it was fast for her [
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The whole scenario only puts Neji's speed on very high tier than hinata's and does not speak anything about hinata's speed
you could actually see distance between between hinata and naruto and if no name fodder can make handseal and execute jutsu [
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] to counter much closely fired juubi spikes dunno whats special about hinata air palming it or moving a little to cover naruto from spikes fire from larger distance.
Add the fact Hinata can see chakra build up beforehandso she could have still reacted faster than other shinobi's against but she herself said was fast for her [
I understand the underlined and that's why i said the parabolic path point makes a lot of sense. Any Ninja would travel any distance but different ninjas would get to the same distance faster than others would.
The Juubi spikes looked to have been incredibly fast seeing as you don't need to be exceptional to at least see something coming from that far out but as we see from
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, the ninja in the top left of the last panel was already dead meaning the exclamation shinobi reacted incredibly late.
You do realize there are other factors why the shinobi couldn't react from such a long distance? These factors include the sheer quantity of projectiles and it is also difficult to see them from such a long distance especially when a large quantity of them will hide others behind them. Then there is the fact that Neji was shown moving faster than them right before his death. You're over hyping their speed.
As for the 40m point, i don't entirely fancy manga measurements as i'm also of the opinion that things in the manga aren't exactly drawn to scale. For example, if we used the measurements from
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, then we'll come to a conclusion Hinata during Pain's invasion traveled a distance upwards of 37km in the time it took Deva to insert 5 rods into Naruto and use Shinra Tensei on the Ma toad.
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But it's not that it matters anyway as i just wanted to show the spikes were fast and the hand coming closer to the SA would drastically subtract any reaction time anyone would have from the initial spike wave.
That's why I low balled the calc. In reality there was quite the distance between the Juubi hand and Naruto/Hinata and this is pretty much a fact. Hinata is a CQC fighter anyway so she's going to have a lot less time to react to someone like Sakura or Neji, both of whom can close the distance and then blitz when close enough.
I can't see the last image you linked but i believe you're referring to the scan where Neji is impaled? If so, I don't believe Hinata barely reacted there. Hiashi makes it clear an air palm from both Hinata and Neji
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because of the volume meaning there was absolutely nothing Hinata could do except shield or carry him away. And i don't believe Hinata has the strength to accomplish the latter. Hinata steadying herself to shield Naruto completely with time to spare for Neji to body flicker in despite the speed of said spikes should imply she did actually react to them early enough.
where she only did so once the projectiles were near her and she even admit that they were fast. Both these points in bold imply she barely reacted. If she had no problem reacting, she'd have enough time to grab Naruto and carry him away instead of sacrificing herself. Hinata is a shinobi who is far stronger than even peak human heavy lifters, so suggesting she was too weak to carry him away is a weak argument.
Who is EP2 Sakura? The version that fought Sasori? If that Sakura could react to Sasori's projectiles but a superior version (Early War Arc Sakura) could barely react to the Juubi spikes that Hinata was
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, doesn't that put Hinata above that Sakura in reactions?
The EP2 Sakura I referred to was the Sakura who got hit in the head by roar propelled Kabuto. Anyway, Sakura and Hinata's situations were different. Sakura was up against a massive AoE of Juubi spikes and had to weave through the openings in between them. All Hinata did was vacuum palm a single spike and then get in front of Naruto at the last second. Hinata vacuum palming a single one or being a meat shield for a pin point strike doesn't mean she can consistently evade a large amount of spikes shot at her continuously. As a matter of fact, Hinata would not be able to do so if she was only able to be a meat shield at the last second against just the first wave. On the other hand, Sakura did mostly that except with a bit of help from Kakashi just once. This is in spite of the fact Sakura doesn't have a Byakugan to accurately pinpoint all the projectiles that are coming at her.
You do realize there are other factors why the shinobi couldn't react from such a long distance? These factors include the sheer quantity of projectiles and it is also difficult to see them from such a long distance especially when a large quantity of them will hide others behind them. Then there is the fact that Neji was shown moving faster than them right before his death. You're over hyping their speed.
. Those black dots in the smoke clouds are shinobi if i'm not mistaken and despite the visibility of the wide AoE attack, exclamation guy only realized what was happening a
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. Am i really missing something that implies those spikes were actually slow?
If i'm speeding at 100 and you overtake me with 120 does that mean i wasn't moving fast? Neji moving faster than the spikes doesn't mean the spikes were slow right?
That's why I low balled the calc. In reality there was quite the distance between the Juubi hand and Naruto/Hinata and this is pretty much a fact. Hinata is a CQC fighter anyway so she's going to have a lot less time to react to someone like Sakura or Neji, both of whom can close the distance and then blitz when close enough.
True...But another fact is that Juubi hand for the pinpoint attack was a lot more closer to them than the initial wave.
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where she only did so once the projectiles were near her and she even admit that they were fast. Both these points in bold imply she barely reacted. If she had no problem reacting, she'd have enough time to grab Naruto and carry him away instead of sacrificing herself. Hinata is a shinobi who is far stronger than even peak human heavy lifters, so suggesting she was too weak to carry him away is a weak argument.
. I very much agree Hiashi pushes the Juubi hand farther away but as we see here again, it takes literally seconds for the spikes to travel the distance and be in Hinata's face with her commenting on its speed (not that she had trouble with it) as she was assuming meat shield position lol. Hiashi's statement though implies if not for the volume/quantity, air palm from both Hinata and Neji would have sufficed meaning Hinata could use air palm in that scenario but weighed her options and came to a conclusion shielding was the best option.
- Or better still, let me ask this way; if the pinpoint attack was targeted at Hinata, do you think she wouldn't escape it?
For the last part though i guess you do have a point but i was looking at the fact her last DB stat had her strength at a 1.5 with her only increasing by .5 across 3 DB stats.
The EP2 Sakura I referred to was the Sakura who got hit in the head by roar propelled Kabuto. Anyway, Sakura and Hinata's situations were different. Sakura was up against a massive AoE of Juubi spikes and had to weave through the openings in between them. All Hinata did was vacuum palm a single spike and then get in front of Naruto at the last second. Hinata vacuum palming a single one or being a meat shield for a pin point strike doesn't mean she can consistently evade a large amount of spikes shot at her continuously. As a matter of fact, Hinata would not be able to do so if she was only able to be a meat shield at the last second against just the first wave. On the other hand, Sakura did mostly that except with a bit of help from Kakashi just once. This is in spite of the fact Sakura doesn't have a Byakugan to accurately pinpoint all the projectiles that are coming at her.
iirc, Sakura wasn't shown weaving through the spikes with her only appearance during the spike wave being in Kakashi's hands? I'm not sure all Hinata did was vacuum palm a single spike as we can see that the
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in the vicinity when she jumps in to palm the one threatening Naruto. And the first wave was over when Hinata decided to become a meat shield for Naruto.
. Those black dots in the smoke clouds are shinobi if i'm not mistaken and despite the visibility of the wide AoE attack, exclamation guy only realized what was happening a
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. Am i really missing something that implies those spikes were actually slow?
If i'm speeding at 100 and you overtake me with 120 does that mean i wasn't moving fast? Neji moving faster than the spikes doesn't mean the spikes were slow right?
Spotting the attack coming isn't hard but spotting each individual spike coming at you is a different story and being able to evade all those individual spikes when so many are launched is even harder. I never said those spikes are slow, they are factually fast but I'm trying to say that Hinata being able to react to them doesn't mean she'll react to Sakura.
True...But another fact is that Juubi hand for the pinpoint attack was a lot more closer to them than the initial wave.
. I very much agree Hiashi pushes the Juubi hand farther away but as we see here again, it takes literally seconds for the spikes to travel the distance and be in Hinata's face with her commenting on its speed (not that she had trouble with it) as she was assuming meat shield position lol. Hiashi's statement though implies if not for the volume/quantity, air palm from both Hinata and Neji would have sufficed meaning Hinata could use air palm in that scenario but weighed her options and came to a conclusion shielding was the best option.
- Or better still, let me ask this way; if the pinpoint attack was targeted at Hinata, do you think she wouldn't escape it?
Hinata did factually physically react to the attack and I agree she could evade it or vacuum palm it away. But considering she only reacted once it was very close to her, I can safely say she wouldn't be able to physically react to it if shot from a closer distance or if the spikes were faster.
For the last part though i guess you do have a point but i was looking at the fact her last DB stat had her strength at a 1.5 with her only increasing by .5 across 3 DB stats.
Okay if we can use the databook, EP2 Sakura was already faster than Hinata and was good at evasion which implies good reactions compared to Hinata who has no such hype and is ranked inferior.
iirc, Sakura wasn't shown weaving through the spikes with her only appearance during the spike wave being in Kakashi's hands? I'm not sure all Hinata did was vacuum palm a single spike as we can see that the
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in the vicinity when she jumps in to palm the one threatening Naruto. And the first wave was over when Hinata decided to become a meat shield for Naruto.
You're right, Sakura wasn't shown weaving through the spikes. Though my point still stands, Hinata being more reflexive than Sakura is based on nothing. The spikes that were still raining down after Hinata first vacuum palms the spike are, as you demonstrated, coming from Juubi heights which is a very long distance like you admit. Sakura reacted to something from Juubi heights
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than what Hinata reacted to and she did so while covering a 10 m distance which is a far superior reaction to simply palming an incoming threat.
Spotting the attack coming isn't hard but spotting each individual spike coming at you is a different story and being able to evade all those individual spikes when so many are launched is even harder. I never said those spikes are slow, they are factually fast but I'm trying to say that Hinata being able to react to them doesn't mean she'll react to Sakura.
Correct.
Hinata did factually physically react to the attack and I agree she could evade it or vacuum palm it away. But considering she only reacted once it was very close to her, I can safely say she wouldn't be able to physically react to it if shot from a closer distance or if the spikes were faster.
Yeah i kinda understand the first part. I was basically bringing up the exclamation dude to point out how fast those spikes were since his reaction seemed to portray he had no idea what was going on despite not needing any special abilities to at least see the spikes coming considering the distance they had to travel. The distance was shortened when the hand came down for the pinpoint attack meaning the spikes would probably be 2x faster at that point.
Perhaps my perception of a blitzing attack is incorrect so pardon my questions.
- Is there any way to compare the speed of the spike's and Sakura's to say for a fact she is faster than the spikes?
- Does the fact that X is faster than Y mean Y is going to get blitzed by X?
- Doesn't striking speed factor into a blitz attack seeing as iirc, despite Sasuke covering the distance against Deidara, he wasn't able to draw his sword before Deidara reacted/fled?
Also, she wasn't standing exactly beside Naruto before the attack so it isn't like she reacted when the spikes were already close to her.
Okay if we can use the databook, EP2 Sakura was already faster than Hinata and was good at evasion which implies good reactions compared to Hinata who has no such hype and is ranked inferior.
Well like i said, you had a point and i was probably using the DB wrongly.
You're right, Sakura wasn't shown weaving through the spikes. Though my point still stands, Hinata being more reflexive than Sakura is based on nothing. The spikes that were still raining down after Hinata first vacuum palms the spike are, as you demonstrated, coming from Juubi heights which is a very long distance like you admit. Sakura reacted to something from Juubi heights
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than what Hinata reacted to and she did so while covering a 10 m distance which is a far superior reaction to simply palming an incoming threat.
I just figured since seal-less Sakura was able to evade Sasori's projectiles but needed Kakashi's help against the Juubi spikes coming from a much farther distance whereas Hinata pinpointed one of the spikes and palmed it away that would put Hinata over the Sasori fight Sakura in reactions since if Sasori's projectiles had the speed of the spikes, Sasori fight Sakura wouldn't have been able to react to them?
Also the hand in the Kaguya fight wasn't from Juubi heights. It was farther off as i believe the Juubi/Kaguya was floating in the air?
