If you really think about it, the Uchiha were tiers above any other clan.

[lndra]

Really? So Naruto can solo Sasuke with just his Kurama mode? Because that's what should happen according to you. I wonder why Kishimoto would say they were on par when he using it then. I guess he just doesn't know his characters.

The Last? How did that prove anything? 697 Naruto could recreate those feats. The only thing new was his Chakra control. If anything the Last Naruto got weaker.

No one should be able to stand against someone with the Rinnegan without having an equal amount of Rikudou power to stand against, but that's not the argument. It's not even about Sasuke here, it's whether or not Full Kurama doubled Naruto's power, which it has shown to do. Hell Naruto fought against Toneri's Rikudou cloak, and TSB's with only Full Kurama BM with Sage Mode. That's enough to prove the point.

His mastery over the Tailed Beast is something grand, especially when compared to the Naruto who far in the War Arc. He was even shown being able to fly without an ounce of Rikudou chakra in play. I don't call that lack of mastery for nothing. There's nothing about "The Last" Naruto which is weaker than post-Rikudou enhanced Naruto, which is what we were talking about originally. Obviously Rikudou Sage Bijuu Mode Naruto would destroy the Last Naruto.

War Arc Naruto before being Rikudou enhanced would be destroyed by Hashirama, the Last Naruto defeats Hashirama. It's pretty obvious how strong he became in those two years, and that's without RSM activated either.

 

[Supacharjed]

I'd still put my money on the clan that has all its members able to Gentle Fist and Byakugan than the clan with members that may to may not activate their Sharingan.

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

All Senju shit on all Uchiha though.

Hashirama > Madara
Tobirama > Izuna
Naruto > Sasuke


For Fun:
Tsunade > Mikoto
Kushina > Mikoto

Lol
Kishi said himself
Naruto = Sasuke
Hashirama > Madara (true that)
But Manga clearly stated that Indra and Ashura tied and destroyed each other.

And Soon it will be Sarada > Tsunade

 

[lndra]

Lol
Kishi said himself
Naruto = Sasuke
Hashirama > Madara (true that)
But Manga clearly stated that Indra and Ashura tied and destroyed each other.

And Soon it will be Sarada > Tsunade

I'm trying to find Kishimoto's words where he said they were on par at full power.

His word on that area aren't alien when Naruto and Sasuke were always equal when they met up to each other, neither could really break the other until an outside source (Sasuke), or Naruto pulling in more power that he didn't want to before (Kurama - Gathering NE).

Can you show me the scan? I don't really remember it, and I'm kind of busy at the moment.

 

[Kiro1]

Senju and Uchiha are the most powerful, I saw this when re-watching Sasuke vs Itachi and Obito stated this.

Though, Hyuga's are powerful even if everyone has the dojustu.

 

[LeSauce]

No one should be able to stand against someone with the Rinnegan without having an equal amount of Rikudou power to stand against, but that's not the argument. It's not even about Sasuke here, it's whether or not Full Kurama doubled Naruto's power, which it has shown to do. Hell Naruto fought against Toneri's Rikudou cloak, and TSB's with only Full Kurama BM with Sage Mode. That's enough to prove the point.

His mastery over the Tailed Beast is something grand, especially when compared to the Naruto who far in the War Arc. He was even shown being able to fly without an ounce of Rikudou chakra in play. I don't call that lack of mastery for nothing. There's nothing about "The Last" Naruto which is weaker than post-Rikudou enhanced Naruto, which is what we were talking about originally. Obviously Rikudou Sage Bijuu Mode Naruto would destroy the Last Naruto.

War Arc Naruto before being Rikudou enhanced would be destroyed by Hashirama, the Last Naruto defeats Hashirama. It's pretty obvious how strong he became in those two years, and that's without RSM activated either.

Toneri is equal to Rinnegan Madara. How in the world would you think that beating him would count as some sort of feat?

Your whole argument is that BSM Naruto is the same as the one who fought against Rinnegan Madara, but it isn't. Naruto's whole chakra is Rikudou enhanced now as seen when he kicked Madara's TSB without a cloak and could see a Rikudou enhanced Sasuke (who would completely slaughter base Naruto according to your logic) charge at him, and react, without even having SM activated.

Naruto can never be the same Naruto he was then because he was given Hagoromo's chakra.

 

[lndra]

Toneri is equal to Rinnegan Madara. How in the world would you think that beating him would count as some sort of feat?

Your whole argument is that BSM Naruto is the same as the one who fought against Rinnegan Madara, but it isn't. Naruto's whole chakra is Rikudou enhanced now as seen when he kicked Madara's TSB without a cloak and could see a Rikudou enhanced Sasuke (who would completely slaughter base Naruto according to your logic) charge at him, and react, without even having SM activated.

Naruto can never be the same Naruto he was then because he was given Hagoromo's chakra.

That's true but it doesn't equate that being Rikudou enhanced put him on that level by himself. Especially when he wasn't using Rikudou's power directly like Sasuke who destroyed the meteor with the Rinnegan activated. While both Naruto/Sasuke were enhanced in almost every aspect, Naruto remained consistent in the movie by showing a lack of Rikudou power being used, he even flied in the movie without Rikudou Sage Mode on.

Now I can't begin to believe that would be something granted through ridiculous training with kurama, it probably has something to do with his control over his powers where he can augment it into lower forms without really turning it on, if that makes any shred of sense. Either way though, Rikudou's power isn't fueling the full force of his attacks, it's Kurama who fights side by side with Naruto that does.

 

[LeSauce]

That's true but it doesn't equate that being Rikudou enhanced put him on that level by himself. Especially when he wasn't using Rikudou's power directly like Sasuke who destroyed the meteor with the Rinnegan activated. While both Naruto/Sasuke were enhanced in almost every aspect, Naruto remained consistent in the movie by showing a lack of Rikudou power being used, he even flied in the movie without Rikudou Sage Mode on.

Now I can't begin to believe that would be something granted through ridiculous training with kurama, it probably has something to do with his control over his powers where he can augment it into lower forms without really turning it on, if that makes any shred of sense. Either way though, Rikudou's power isn't fueling the full force of his attacks, it's Kurama who fights side by side with Naruto that does.

Sasuke can't deactivate the Rinnegan. There has been only one scan to show him without it, just like there was only one scan showing him with 9t. Nothing besides that has even hinted at him being able to deactivate it, therefore it can be seen as a mistake.

Just like Sasuke's base was upped to immense levels, so was Naruto's. SM only serves to increase that strength. We know this because when both of the characters were fighting h2h they were on par.

 

[HiddenSound]

The Elders believed they themselves plus an Anbu detachment would be enough to wipe out the Uchiha in the night. They were probably more worried for the civilian population and Konoha's image as a superior village.
At that time, the Uchiha were in a weak phase. Only Itachi and Shisui were worth anything notable, and they refused to help the Uchiha.
But altogether, historically? Only the Ōtsutsuki and Senju are superior. 3rd place out of every other clan is pretty good.

 

[LeSauce]

The Elders believed they themselves plus an Anbu detachment would be enough to wipe out the Uchiha in the night. They were probably more worried for the civilian population and Konoha's image as a superior village.
At that time, the Uchiha were in a weak phase. Only Itachi and Shisui were worth anything notable, and they refused to help the Uchiha.
But altogether, historically? Only the Ōtsutsuki and Senju are superior. 3rd place out of every other clan is pretty good.

Well I mean they were planning to do it at night, when everyone is sleeping and offgaurd. Even Sai caught Sasuke in his sleep.

They still were worried about being left in a vulnerable place and Hiruzen cosidered fighting them a challenge even when it was only one clan.