If Yata Mirror is invincible, then Hiruzen can use Kotoamatsukami

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Yata can defend against all attacks

And Hiruzen knows every and all jutsu of Konoha.

Both are Manga Facts are they not?

So why prefer one over the other?
 

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No he needs sharingan for that specifically shisuis
 

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Just because you know something doesn't mean you can do it
 

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if Hiruzen knew KA he would have used it instead of being killed and following everyone else's orders while he was the Hokage
 

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if Hiruzen knew KA he would have used it instead of being killed and following everyone else's orders while he was the Hokage

And if Yata was invincible,

Itachi would be the ruler of NV.
 

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I remember the chapter when he used KA on Kaguya to make her kill herself, and that's how she died.

Good chapter.
 

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He belongs on the top 10 list. I don't care where. But he is top 10 material.
Once again I will explain why he is so powerful. The third man to share the title "God of Shinobi" alongside 2 beasts (Hashirama Senju and the Sage)

- - He is often referred to as "History's Strongest" and a "Genius"
- 「プロフェッサー●[...]里にある全ての術を知り尽くし、かつそれらを自在に使いこなすことに由来。」
- Named "The Professor: [...] The origin [of this nickname] lies in him knowing thoroughly all the jutsu that exist in the village and also being able to use them easily at will.'
- Anyone who is trusted by Hashirama and Tobirama to protect the village during the wars is bound to be powerful. It's common sense that he is worthy of the title Hokage since it was given to him by 2 monsters of Hokages. Learning the skills and knowledge from the 1st and 2nd, Hiruzen was able to get the village through 3 Great Shinobi World Wars. Having the longest reign of Hokage. 40+ Years.
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-An Old 5% Hiruzen sealing both 25% Edo Hokages with clones in complete darkness. Don't care how weak the Hokages were. Hiruzen was in a far off worse condition to fight. This is an excellent feat.
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-A battle exhausted Hiruzen with a part of his soul left easily disarming Orochimaru and speed owned him behind his blind side to catch him in close range. You can easily see with these scans that Orochimaru was actually pushed to try at the last second and looked quite frightened. This is THE Orochimaru who without arms was playing around with 4 Tailed Naruto.
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Using these scans, It would be possible that if Orochimaru didn't have his Edos, he would have been easily killed by Hiruzen.

- While having the sword of Kusangi pierced through him, Hiruzen was still able to hold Orochimaru's soul with the Reaper for an 1 hour long showing extreme willpower!
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-Speed feats are beautiful keeping up with Hashirama and Tobirama at the same time.
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-The Hokages are easily praised by both Naruto and Sasuke. The statement obviously includes Hiruzen. By Sasuke's own admission. " Looks like they're not just talk after all" should be enough.
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Can use all of Konoha's non KKG techniques which includes the Ino–Shika–Chō with Kage Bunshins.
Despite many on the Base saying that he cannot, Manga disagrees as Orochimaru (Hiruzen student) states his ability for "Knowing and being able to use all the jutsu that exist in the Leaf"
This includes mastery over all 5 elements to a godly extent and mastery of all forms of shinobi combat.
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Proof. Here Hiruzen is clearly able to use the Inuzuka Clan's enhanced sense of smell as shown in this scan.
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Therefore proving that Hiruzen is able to use all the techniques in the village which includes the famous Ino–Shika–Chō which can be easily used by Hiruzen with clones. =D
-Prime Hiruzen can completely negate all Ninjutsu using Technique Neutralizer.
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Example of what would happen.
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-Kabuto who has spied in many various countries of the Shinobi world even said that he was the strongest out of the 5 Kage despite his old age!
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Danzo admitted inferiority to Hiruzen despite having the cells of Hashirama, Izanagi and Kotoamatsukami from the eye of Shisui.
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The Solo King believes in the 3rd's power to protect Sasuke. Only someone whom Itachi respects is enough.
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Iruka, Ch.94
「三代目は 特に歴代の中でも最強�� �� �� �� �� � �言われポロフェッサーと呼ばれた�� �� �� �� �� �� ��だったんだぞ!」
"The sandaime, in particular, was a genius nicknamed the 'Professor,' and was called the strongest of all the Hokage".

the Sandaime was the strongest.

Databook 1, Page 117
"プロフェッサー"と崇められる歴�� �� �� �� �最 強の火影

The "Professor" revered as the strongest Hokage in history.

Databook 1, Page 119
"歴代最強""天才"など,三代目火影�� �� �� �� �� �形 容する言葉はに満ちている.

"History's Strongest", "Genius", etc., there are many words that describe the Sandaime Hokage.


DB2 Pg 84
Konohamaru paragraph:
歴代最強の火影と謳われた、三代目�� �� �� �� �� � �血を継ぐ木ノ葉丸。“木ノ葉崩し�� �� �� �� �� �� ��より敬愛する祖父を失い、その�� �� �� �� �� �は 悲しみに覆われる。だが必ずや里を�� �� �� �� �� � �る大樹に成長するであろう。果て�� �� �� �� �� �� ��標の祖父を目指して・ ・・!!Konohamaru, descended from Sandaime, who was praised as history’s strongest Hokage.
 

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So how does hiruzen defend himself vs KA. Knowing it doesnt do shit.
I know mike tyson i can never beat him thou
 

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He belongs on the top 10 list. I don't care where. But he is top 10 material.
Once again I will explain why he is so powerful. The third man to share the title "God of Shinobi" alongside 2 beasts (Hashirama Senju and the Sage)

- - He is often referred to as "History's Strongest" and a "Genius"
- 「プロフェッサー●[...]里にある全ての術を知り尽くし、かつそれらを自在に使いこなすことに由来。」
- Named "The Professor: [...] The origin [of this nickname] lies in him knowing thoroughly all the jutsu that exist in the village and also being able to use them easily at will.'
- Anyone who is trusted by Hashirama and Tobirama to protect the village during the wars is bound to be powerful. It's common sense that he is worthy of the title Hokage since it was given to him by 2 monsters of Hokages. Learning the skills and knowledge from the 1st and 2nd, Hiruzen was able to get the village through 3 Great Shinobi World Wars. Having the longest reign of Hokage. 40+ Years.
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-An Old 5% Hiruzen sealing both 25% Edo Hokages with clones in complete darkness. Don't care how weak the Hokages were. Hiruzen was in a far off worse condition to fight. This is an excellent feat.
You must be registered for see images

-A battle exhausted Hiruzen with a part of his soul left easily disarming Orochimaru and speed owned him behind his blind side to catch him in close range. You can easily see with these scans that Orochimaru was actually pushed to try at the last second and looked quite frightened. This is THE Orochimaru who without arms was playing around with 4 Tailed Naruto.
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Using these scans, It would be possible that if Orochimaru didn't have his Edos, he would have been easily killed by Hiruzen.

- While having the sword of Kusangi pierced through him, Hiruzen was still able to hold Orochimaru's soul with the Reaper for an 1 hour long showing extreme willpower!
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-Speed feats are beautiful keeping up with Hashirama and Tobirama at the same time.
You must be registered for see images

-The Hokages are easily praised by both Naruto and Sasuke. The statement obviously includes Hiruzen. By Sasuke's own admission. " Looks like they're not just talk after all" should be enough.
You must be registered for see images

Can use all of Konoha's non KKG techniques which includes the Ino–Shika–Chō with Kage Bunshins.
Despite many on the Base saying that he cannot, Manga disagrees as Orochimaru (Hiruzen student) states his ability for "Knowing and being able to use all the jutsu that exist in the Leaf"
This includes mastery over all 5 elements to a godly extent and mastery of all forms of shinobi combat.
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Proof. Here Hiruzen is clearly able to use the Inuzuka Clan's enhanced sense of smell as shown in this scan.
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Therefore proving that Hiruzen is able to use all the techniques in the village which includes the famous Ino–Shika–Chō which can be easily used by Hiruzen with clones. =D
-Prime Hiruzen can completely negate all Ninjutsu using Technique Neutralizer.
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Example of what would happen.
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-Kabuto who has spied in many various countries of the Shinobi world even said that he was the strongest out of the 5 Kage despite his old age!
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Danzo admitted inferiority to Hiruzen despite having the cells of Hashirama, Izanagi and Kotoamatsukami from the eye of Shisui.
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The Solo King believes in the 3rd's power to protect Sasuke. Only someone whom Itachi respects is enough.
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[/SPOILER]

Believe in the Hype.
Believe in the Hype!
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Iruka, Ch.94
「三代目は 特に歴代の中でも最強�� �� �� �� �� � �言われポロフェッサーと呼ばれた�� �� �� �� �� �� ��だったんだぞ!」
"The sandaime, in particular, was a genius nicknamed the 'Professor,' and was called the strongest of all the Hokage".

the Sandaime was the strongest.

Databook 1, Page 117
"プロフェッサー"と崇められる歴�� �� �� �� �最 強の火影

The "Professor" revered as the strongest Hokage in history.

Databook 1, Page 119
"歴代最強""天才"など,三代目火影�� �� �� �� �� �形 容する言葉はに満ちている.

"History's Strongest", "Genius", etc., there are many words that describe the Sandaime Hokage.


DB2 Pg 84
Konohamaru paragraph:
歴代最強の火影と謳われた、三代目�� �� �� �� �� � �血を継ぐ木ノ葉丸。“木ノ葉崩し�� �� �� �� �� �� ��より敬愛する祖父を失い、その�� �� �� �� �� �は 悲しみに覆われる。だが必ずや里を�� �� �� �� �� � �る大樹に成長するであろう。果て�� �� �� �� �� �� ��標の祖父を目指して・ ・・!!Konohamaru, descended from Sandaime, who was praised as history’s strongest Hokage.

Nice info to add on
 

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He cant use KA w/o sharingan his neutraliser wont work against doujutsu as it isnt based on hand seals and cuz it's fake shit :rolleyes:

Well, Madara used Susanno without eyes, so it is possible.

Besides, Manga Fact: Hiruzen knows all Konoh jutsu.
 

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It's true. Even Madara used wireless Susanoo.
VIZ SCAN.
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Orochimaru: "Knew and could perform all existing Konoha Jutsu"
 

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Don't deny manga fact

And if Yata was invincible,

Itachi would be the ruler of NV.

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well that proves how bad he is if he knows all and can perform all , but still lose to edo weaker 33 % Hashirama/Tobirama & Orochimaru if he knew them through his youth and Orochimaru's youth.

You have to take the words for what they are then , and it says he knows the jutsu that EXIST in Konoha ..
EXIST= PRESENT tense. Kotoamatsukami wasn't in the PRESENT of Konoha during Hiruzen's "knowing all jutsu that exist in konoha" hype.
As you could see he is overly emotional like an Uchiha and then some, because he often drifts into depression and hopelessness in the heat of battle so he could never win unless his opponent gives him the opportunity.
Also he doesn't know all because he called the RDS Minato's jutsu and Minato didn't come up with it. He should have known it before MInato did , but he was taught it by Minato.
 

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Well, Madara used Susanno without eyes, so it is possible.
Besides, Manga Fact: Hiruzen knows all Konoh jutsu.

Susanoo is chakra projection of own user unlike so it makes sense that it doesnt rely on eye.
Bold: yed, is that why he learned RDS from minato way past his prime?
 

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So many Hiruzen haters. My eyes are bleeding.
 
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