If sasuke was Kurama's Jin he would be a better Jin than Naruto

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The argument shouldn't be about handling chakra. There's never been a case where someone was unable to handle a certain amount. Even a woman whose never touched chakra before was able to instantly take in all the power of the Chakra Fruit. The only problem is chakra having its own mindset, like the Tailed Beasts, giving them the potential to take over. The Sharingan completely dismisses this problem however.
 

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They didn't become juubi jin's because of anything special, they were the only ones who could decipher zetsu's tablet and were the only ppl who even knew about the juubi. Not only that, both obito and Madara had hashirama inspired implants which basically meant they had the body of the sage when they acquired the juubi. That's basically like Naruto or Hashi getting a sharingan or rennigan

If Naruto, Jiraiya, Kabuto and even Minato were able to acquire Sage Mode; do you not think Madara, Obito and Sasuke could have mastered it themselves? Granted, and i have to admit, they cheated somewhat re. Hashi cells. However Hashi cells were not to gain Sage Mode, they were to complete the evolution of their eyes which only the Uchiha could do as they were the only ones to inherit the Dojutsu.

But back to the original point, any one of them could have acquired it. Sasuke... the only one questionable, but that is not to say he could not have acquired Snake Sage Mode if he hadnt actually tried as he already had the affinity.

And oh.... Hashiramas Sage Mode which Madara took was only taken because it was easy pickings.
 

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The argument shouldn't be about handling chakra. There's never been a case where someone was unable to handle a certain amount. Even a woman whose never touched chakra before was able to instantly take in all the power of the Chakra Fruit. The only problem is chakra having its own mindset, like the Tailed Beasts, giving them the potential to take over. The Sharingan completely dismisses this problem however.

*alien*
 

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Ashura and most of his descendants have an advantage over Indra and his descendants in the fact that they have the body to become a jin and survive without needing any external help. On top of that they can also handle the eyes of Indra and his descendants again without needing Indra's cells to use them. Whereas Indra and his descendants need the strong chakra of Ashura or his trans-mgrants to have the body compatible to be a jin.
So Sasuke without hashi chakra woukd rot and die or be consumed by Kurama from the inside where as an Ashura descendant would easily suppress the bijuu chakra with their own strong chakra, stamina and life force.
 

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That technicality doesn't really matter since we consider Naruto and Sasuke men yet they are also hybrids.

I'm pretty sure 1,000 years of reproduction got the "hybrid" out of their systems
 

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The argument shouldn't be about handling chakra. There's never been a case where someone was unable to handle a certain amount. Even a woman whose never touched chakra before was able to instantly take in all the power of the Chakra Fruit. The only problem is chakra having its own mindset, like the Tailed Beasts, giving them the potential to take over. The Sharingan completely dismisses this problem however.

No it doesn't...

Why do you think Madara didn't become Kurama's jinchuriki?

That hatred would have consumed him.
 

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I'm pretty sure 1,000 years of reproduction got the "hybrid" out of their systems

1,000 years is only ~16 generations with clan inbreeding as well.

No it doesn't...

Why do you think Madara didn't become Kurama's jinchuriki?

That hatred would have consumed him.

That's your assumption. Kurama's hatred didn't consume baby Naruto and he had literally zero control over his emotions. Even if Madara was somehow able to perfectly master Kurama's usage, it'd still be less efficient than fighting side-by-side with the beast itself.
 

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1,000 years is only ~16 generations with clan inbreeding as well.



That's your assumption. Kurama's hatred didn't consume baby Naruto and he had literally zero control over his emotions. Even if Madara was somehow able to perfectly master Kurama's usage, it'd still be less efficient than fighting side-by-side with the beast itself.

Baby Naruto had no hatred to feed on. If the baby had hatred it wasn't enough to effect him or the seal was strong enough to prevent at the time. During Naruto's adolescence age where teens are usually moody and emotional (see - Sasuke Uchiha, Naruto Uzumaki, Neji Hyuga, etc..) there's plenty for Kurama to feed on. Especially given Sasuke's obsession with power he would have gladly given in to NES and been consumed faster than Naruto did.
 

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Hell no, Naruto had Uzumaki genes which guaranteed him longevity and he has the Sage's body which is very durable to suppress the Bijuu's powers. Obviously the Uchiha weren't made to have that power.

Can the Uchihas befriend the beasts without using fear/oppression by becoming friends and using it's power to it's advantage. They will never be able to run that way.

The Uzumaki's are much better at being Jinchurikis as a clan and Naruto is superior to Sasuke when it comes to methods of using Kurama or any other Bijuu.

Itachi could. His viewpoint is nothing like uchihas
 

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Baby Naruto had no hatred to feed on. If the baby had hatred it wasn't enough to effect him or the seal was strong enough to prevent at the time. During Naruto's adolescence age where teens are usually moody and emotional (see - Sasuke Uchiha, Naruto Uzumaki, Neji Hyuga, etc..) there's plenty for Kurama to feed on. Especially given Sasuke's obsession with power he would have gladly given in to NES and been consumed faster than Naruto did.

Do you have evidence that Kurama feasts on hatred? As far as I'm concerned, he can only take over when one's will is weak (emotionally unstable), such as Naruto when Hinata was injured by Pain. As much as I can remember, Sasuke has never even gotten close to an outbreak like that.
 

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Do you have evidence that Kurama feasts on hatred? As far as I'm concerned, he can only take over when one's will is weak (emotionally unstable), such as Naruto when Hinata was injured by Pain. As much as I can remember, Sasuke has never even gotten close to an outbreak like that.

Selective memory much? Sauce would have been on the verge of total possession anytime Itachi's name came up in conversation. Every moment leading up to and after the kage summit would've put sauce at extreme risk for being possessed and destroyed by the fox. ESPECIALLY during his fight with danzo, unstable emotions and uchiha's go together like salt and pepper, when you see one the other's not far behind.
 

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No mention in manga of needing the body to be a Jinchuriki.

1. Kakashi stated stamina is required to control chakra, the more chakra someone had the more stamina is required to control it, therefore being a jinchuuriki requires large amounts of stamina which Uzumaki have more than anybody else in NV

2. Special chakra is required to fuse with Kurama's chakra and suppress it, Uzumaki were selected because only they had the chakra required to do so, which makes sense because their descend from someone that had the chakra of a Juubi

3. If the host is not friends with a bijuu, the host's chakra will be consumed in return for using the bijuu chakra, Uchiha don't have the same amount of chakra as Ashura's descendants and therefore won't be able to use KCM to the same extent as them
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4. Uchiha will never be able to perfect Sage Mode like Ashura's descendants because Indra didn't inherit the Sage's body, BSM is out of he question and even if Sasuke had Naruto's cells it wouldn't be enough to control the amount the volume of chakra Naruto controls.

In VoTE 2 Naruto absorbed more amounts of energy than JJ Madara's body could handle, Sasuke won't be able to use bijuu chakra to its full potential just as Naruto won't be able to use Rinnegan to its full potential.
 

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1,000 years is only ~16 generations with clan inbreeding as well.



That's your assumption. Kurama's hatred didn't consume baby Naruto and he had literally zero control over his emotions. Even if Madara was somehow able to perfectly master Kurama's usage, it'd still be less efficient than fighting side-by-side with the beast itself.

No its better to be a perfect jin. Naruto can still seperate Kurama from him and still be in Bijuu Sage Mode simultaneously as well as increase Kuramas own powers with Sage Mode, all because they are of perfect link.
 
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The argument shouldn't be about handling chakra. There's never been a case where someone was unable to handle a certain amount. Even a woman whose never touched chakra before was able to instantly take in all the power of the Chakra Fruit. The only problem is chakra having its own mindset, like the Tailed Beasts, giving them the potential to take over. The Sharingan completely dismisses this problem however.

Uchihas do not benefit much from being a jinchuriki of Kurama. They typically dont fit the mold.

They definately CAN become its Jin. However, They are better off controlling him with Genjutsu like you say.
 

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Yea and Yamato said Naruto was able to handle that because of his strong chakra. Something Sasuke and Madara have and a strong enough body that's even capable of having SM.

When Naruto went in his rage mode against Orochimaru Yamato mentioned how nobody should be able to survive the amount of chakra flowing through his body.

And JJ Madara needed Hashirama's cells to be a Jinchuuriki which further proves Uchiha don't have the body for it.

Madara's case is different he had juubi and the God tree. Then once Kaguya tried taking over Madara's body couldn't handle the NE or all of the chakra from the people trapped in IT.

The reason Kaguya succeeded in taking over Madara's body was because he didn't have the physical energy to contain the amounts of chakra that was absorbed, it was no different to Gaara being unable to control Shukaku and having his body taken over during the chuunin exams.

Despite having Hashirama's body the amount of energy that overwhelmed Madara was nowhere near what Naruto absorbed in VoTE 2, I already posted the scans showing the huge difference.

Eh i'm not sure on that Kurama said Naruto can do what he did... like making his chakra compatible with people because of Minato/Kushina I doubt only Uzumaki's have to be his Jin... also for the record Edo's do have physical and mental limitations. Minato and kurama was trapped inside RDS fighting for eternity.

Again I posted a scan, he said being Kushina's son was the reason he was able to control bijuu chakra perfectly. Without the Uzumaki genes Naruto would never be able to unlock a Jinchuuriki's full potential because the ability to do so requires the traits of Hagoromo's body which Ashura inherited instead of Indra.


That could possibly be because of Minato keeping the yin half of Kurama. Yin have strong chakra which Minato implied when he said "what a heavy chakra" And Minato is someone who was never said to have a strong chakra or large reserves. And it could also be part of the RDS seal because the same thing happened to Hiruzen if I remember right.

Minato was able to use KCM and BM in war arc because Edos don't have any form of physical restriction like living bodies, in addition Kurama was willing to co-operate so he was no longer limited.


The manga explained that the hosts gets their chakra consumed by the bijuu when using the tailed beast's power, Edos have unlimited chakra reserves which allowed Minato use KCM without any effort
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Furthermore, the bijuu can decide to stop consuming the host's chakra when it's friends with the Jinchuuriki, because Naruto befriended the Yin half and Madara was the common enemy, Yang Kurama was willing to co-operate with Minato and thus enabled him to use BM.
 

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Do you have evidence that Kurama feasts on hatred? As far as I'm concerned, he can only take over when one's will is weak (emotionally unstable), such as Naruto when Hinata was injured by Pain. As much as I can remember, Sasuke has never even gotten close to an outbreak like that.

When Naruto gets angry Kurama is capable of influencing him using Negative Emotions Sensing. He makes it a lot easier to get angry. Emotional instability isn't the only factor.

Sasuke would succumb to Kurama incredibly easy. He is called the embodiment of hatred for a reason.
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Selective memory much? Sauce would have been on the verge of total possession anytime Itachi's name came up in conversation. Every moment leading up to and after the kage summit would've put sauce at extreme risk for being possessed and destroyed by the fox. ESPECIALLY during his fight with danzo, unstable emotions and uchiha's go together like salt and pepper, when you see one the other's not far behind.

When Itachi's name comes in conversation Sasuke does not start screaming with hatred and breaking down. He may get somewhat angry depending on the circumstance, but getting simply mad is far from an outbreak. I looked over the beginning of his fight with Danzo and Sasuke had fine control over his emotions.

No its better to be a perfect jin. Naruto can still seperate Kurama from him and still be in Bijuu Sage Mode simultaneously as well as increase Kuramas own powers with Sage Mode, all because they are of perfect link.

That's completely unique to Naruto because of the separation of Kurama. All other perfect hosts are only able to change places with the Tailed Beast, which would be less beneficial as you agreed to as per this statement.

When Naruto gets angry Kurama is capable of influencing him using Negative Emotions Sensing. He makes it a lot easier to get angry. Emotional instability isn't the only factor.

Sasuke would succumb to Kurama incredibly easy. He is called the embodiment of hatred for a reason.
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Once again, Sasuke has never gotten close to an outbreak like Naruto, as mere anger does not allow Kurama to break free. Under the control of the Sharingan, Kurama would be unable to influence Sasuke as well, making the breaking point for Sasuke even higher.
 
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