If Sasuke is so smart, why he didn't use his Susanoo when Madara stabbed him?

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True but look at the time when Pain used it on Kakashi's clone, he was able to move freely enough to get a chain out and swing it around a rock with tight grip sooo yhhh

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Lol you think he was using bansho tenin? soso stupid.
 

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He didnt use it because Kishi is rushing things along. There is no explanation on why he didn't so these are just assumptions at best.
 

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What? You do know that Madara is a sensor right?

If the translations were correct A, 7th Gate Guy and KCM Naruto are Supersonic.

Do you even know the gap between Supersonic and Hypersonic? It's around 8x, nobody in the manga increased their speed 8x, that's a huge multiplier this isn't even DragonBall. OK, Madara maybe 2x-3x faster but that is still nowhere hypersonic.

You don't always need speed to dodge, what you need to dodge is one of these:

reaction/sensing

skills/experience

or speed

Lee was already breaking the sound barrier in chunnin exams... (mach 1+)
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That lee is dead slow compared to people right now... These guy been busting hypersonic long ago. DBZ character's go wayyyy past hypersonic too; The humans on the ground can't even see them move.
 

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Becuase of Plot no Jutsu...there no other reason for it.​

Sasuke's body being frozen in air won't change him from activating Susanoo(which comes from the eyes)....it has nothing to do with the body.​
 

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Lee was already breaking the sound barrier in chunnin exams... (mach 1+)
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That lee is dead slow compared to people right now... These guy been busting hypersonic long ago. DBZ character's go wayyyy past hypersonic too; The humans on the ground can't even see them move.

DBZ Reference is for multiplier, Naruto Universe doesn't have a multiplier like 2x,3x,4x,10x,50x,100x 200x and 400x.

Dead slow compared to people right now in Naruto-Universe doesn't mean 8x or more increase in speed, that is just your pure speculation. The translation said that 7th Gate is supersonic.

Manga >>> Your opinion about dead slow comparison

Supersonic ranges from 915-3,840mph. You need around 4x faster to break Supersonic.

Meaning, Reverse Lotus up to 7th Gate, A and KCM is Supersonic. They are all supersonic but not at the same range.

6th gate to 7th Gate being Supersonic:

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Naruto-Universe isn't X is faster than Z, so X is 2x faster than Z, NO, Naruto-Universe doesn't work like that, 5% increase or 10% increase in speed is a huge increase.

There's a range in mach speed and Naruto-Universe has no multiplier.

And again, skill and sensing is also a factor in dodging attacks, not just speed. And being under supersonic speed is not equal because there is a range of 915-3,840mph in supersonic.
 
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True but look at the time when Pain used it on Kakashi's clone, he was able to move freely enough to get a chain out and swing it around a rock with tight grip sooo yhhh

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madara is probably madara :) Did Pein ever use any sign of Rinbo Hengoku? madara is over NV and goes Straight to the StarWars Verse
 

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Why didnt madara use one when he got stabbed?
 

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What? You do know that Madara is a sensor right?

If the translations were correct A, 7th Gate Guy and KCM Naruto are Supersonic.

Do you even know the gap between Supersonic and Hypersonic? It's around 8x, nobody in the manga increased their speed 8x, that's a huge multiplier this isn't even DragonBall. OK, Madara maybe 2x-3x faster but that is still nowhere hypersonic.

You don't always need speed to dodge, what you need to dodge is one of these:

reaction/sensing

skills/experience

or speed

Of course you need speed to dodge, sensing only tells you what's coming, it doesn't move you out of the way. Being alerted and having the physical capability to move out of harm's way are not the same, the latter of which is absolutely necessary, especially at close-range or when the technique spans a wide area. Take the Minato vs. Raikage example.

As for your comment on hypersonic being 8x faster you are wrong on so many levels.

At maximum, the difference is 5x but supersonic ranges from Mach 1 to Mach 5 with Hypersonic being Mach 5 to Mach 10, so the difference can also only be 1x.
 

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He was powerless before the might of Madara. Or he was just stunned at Madara's magnificent bod when he turned around.
 

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Because fodderama said dont use force. You look like Madaras brother sasuke hoped Madara wouldnt kill him because of that and gt solo'd.
 

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DBZ Reference is for multiplier, Naruto Universe doesn't have a multiplier like 2x,3x,4x,10x,50x,100x 200x and 400x.

Dead slow compared to people right now in Naruto-Universe doesn't mean 8x or more increase in speed, that is just your pure speculation. The translation said that 7th Gate is supersonic.

Manga >>> Your opinion about dead slow comparison

Supersonic ranges from 915-3,840mph. You need around 4x faster to break Supersonic.

Meaning, Reverse Lotus up to 7th Gate, A and KCM is Supersonic. They are all supersonic but not at the same range.

6th gate to 7th Gate being Supersonic:

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Naruto-Universe isn't X is faster than Z, so X is 2x faster than Z, NO, Naruto-Universe doesn't work like that, 5% increase or 10% increase in speed is a huge increase.

There's a range in mach speed and Naruto-Universe has no multiplier.

And again, skill and sensing is also a factor in dodging attacks, not just speed. And being under supersonic speed is not equal because there is a range of 915-3,840mph in supersonic.

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Kakashi cut a bolt of lightning with his hand.
That means he moved his hand fast enough to cut lightning(which is a lot faster than sound). first gate guy makes kakashi look like a sub-average speedster. 7th gate guy makes kakashi look like a slug.

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Guy moved his foot fast enough to hit kisame before he could completely think "So fast". That means his foot moved so fast, across a few feet, that it was faster than the time taken for a complete set of neurones (electrical charges) to move a few micrometers in the brain to register a complete thought.

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Madara moved so fast that minato, someone who instantly teleports by seemingly thought, couldn't evade him. Madara moved fast enough to casually slash off his arm after teleportation, kick his arm away, then spin kick minato. All done with the force and accuracy to also snipe kakashi and gaara and, again, fast enough that minato couldn't even register the thought/w.e is necessary to teleport - the same minato who teleported from speed-demon juubito was made to look like a dog.

This invalidates your argument. Because kisame said "Super sonic" doesn't mean it was just supersonic. Kisame doesn't need to be completely factually accurate in a kid's manga, and pedantic about little phrases. Obito survived with a hole through his chest after all.
 
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He was paralyzed in his place.
 

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Of course you need speed to dodge, sensing only tells you what's coming, it doesn't move you out of the way. Being alerted and having the physical capability to move out of harm's way are not the same, the latter of which is absolutely necessary, especially at close-range or when the technique spans a wide area. Take the Minato vs. Raikage example.

Telling you what's coming makes you prepare to dodge it. It's not about always speed, just watch a real fight, speed alone can't win fights if sensing and skill is greater than your speed.

As for your comment on hypersonic being 8x faster you are wrong on so many levels.

At Minimum Super Sonic is 915 mph and Maximum Hypersonic is 7,680, it's 8x because i didn't know that Reverse Lotus is Supersonic. Anyway, Reverse Lotus Lee is Transonic as Transonic Speed can also create shockwave.

At maximum, the difference is 5x but supersonic ranges from Mach 1 to Mach 5 with Hypersonic being Mach 5 to Mach 10, so the difference can also only be 1x.

NO, the range from MACH 1 to 5 is 915 to 3,840 miles per hour. And if your speed increases from 915 to 950 miles per hour, that is already a huge increase in speed. Please dont make this into DBZ Multiplier because there's no such multiplier exists in this Shinobi World where kunais and shurikens matter. Shinobi could teleport because it's part of being a Shinobi but them having speed and reflexes moving at hypersonic is like them using a GUN which violates what KISHI wants of the Shinobi World.

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Kakashi cut a bolt of lightning with his hand.
That means he moved his hand fast enough to cut lightning(which is a lot faster than sound). first gate guy makes kakashi look like a sub-average speedster. 7th gate guy makes kakashi look like a slug.

Kakashi cutting the bolt of lightning with his Raikiri tells something about how sharp Raikiri is. The manga didn't say Kakashi outspeed a bolt of lightning.

So what if Kakashi cut the bolt of lightning? did the manga said that he moved his hand faster than lightning? did we saw him how he cut the lightning bolt? How did Kakashi cut the bolt of lightning? WE DON'T KNOW, IT'S JUST PURE SPECULATION ON HOW KAKASHI CUT A BOLT OF LIGHTNING, AS IT POINTED OUT IN NUMBERS THAT SASUKE'S KIRIN IS AS FAST AS LIGHTNING AND ALMOST UNAVOIDABLE.

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Guy moved his foot fast enough to hit kisame before he could completely think "So fast". That means his foot moved so fast, across a few feet, that it was faster than the time taken for a complete set of neurones (electrical charges) to move a few micrometers in the brain to register a complete thought.

LOL, another speculation. Do you think Kishimoto was thinking about electrical charges or neurons and few micrometers while writing/drawing his manga?LOL
Kisame was talking inside his mind. And that was a clone Kisame with a fraction of his power, speed, sensing and skills.

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Madara moved so fast that minato, someone who instantly teleports by seemingly thought, couldn't evade him. Madara moved fast enough to casually slash off his arm after teleportation, kick his arm away, then spin kick minato. All done with the force and accuracy to also snipe kakashi and gaara and, again, fast enough that minato couldn't even register the thought/w.e is necessary to teleport - the same minato who teleported from speed-demon juubito was made to look like a dog.

MOVED SO FAST = SPEED DEMON = SPECULATION SPEED

Again, it's all about speculation in this fictional manga, this isn't a real world.

This invalidates your argument. Because kisame said "Super sonic" doesn't mean it was just supersonic. Kisame doesn't need to be completely factually accurate in a kid's manga, and pedantic about little phrases. Obito survived with a hole through his chest after all.

Kisame's statement = Kishimoto's statement

Manga Drawings = Inconsistent

Wait, Transonic Speed can also create shocwaves, so Reverse Lotus Lee is Transonic.

I can invalidate your argument that drawings of Lee using Reverse Lotus is not Transonic and the shockwave was just for showcase. And yeah using your logic, we didn't see Madara and Juubito creating shockwaves in their movements, so that means they're nowhere Transonic, LOL.

Range of Supersonic 915-3,840 miles per hour. Again, this isn't DBZ where increase in Speed is ridiculous. An increase of 915 to 950 miles per hour can make anyone dead slow, IT'S ALREADY A HUGE INCREASE. Also, skills and reaction time matters too in dodging.

6th gate to 7th Gate is Supersonic:

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