If Obito never had Hashi's DNA how strong would he be ?

[Mypower]

What tier would he be at ?

 

[KingHashirama]

he wouldn't be spamming Kamui tho.

 

[Dark Link]

Less Kamui spam.
Faster loss of vision.

 

[Sweet Pudding]

IMO even with Senju DNA
Juubito>2MS Obito>Rinnegan Obito>Nagato>Itachi>Base Minato>1 MS Obito>1 MS Kakashi

and without Senju i rank his 1MS version below 1 MS Kakashi though his other forms are still powerful

 

[ninjarasengan]

Did he ever get Hashirama cells? Thought Madara just attached one of the artificial Hashirama bodies to him...ie, a zetsu. which wasn't Hashirama's clones.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Pretty much same.

His zetsu cells were stated to be of inferior quality to those of hashirama.

In essence it didnt do much, but minor healing.

Obito didnt spam kamui all that much, intangibility can be used with 3T.

There is no proof that zetsu cells boosted his stamina, he could naturally be chakra monster like madara.

Yes he would have gotten blind faster but the tier would be the same.

 

[VongolaX]

He would lose his rikudou chakra/technique
(Meaning no rods being implanted with the Hashi cells)
No mokuton

No healing/strength

No spamming

He'll be as strong as ms Sasuke or itachi.

 

[VongolaX]

Pretty much same.

His zetsu cells were stated to be of inferior quality to those of hashirama.

In essence it didnt do much, but minor healing.

Obito didnt spam kamui all that much, intangibility can be used with 3T.

There is no proof that zetsu cells boosted his stamina, he could naturally be chakra monster like madara.

Yes he would have gotten blind faster but the tier would be the same.

Obito's not made fr zetsu though

He's made from the Hashirama's tissue that was synced to Gedo mazou.

That Hashirama clone with six arms is in half of Obito's body

 

[AlphaScythian]

Obito's not made fr zetsu though

He's made from the Hashirama's tissue that was synced to Gedo mazou.

That Hashirama clone with six arms is in half of Obito's body

That was maddy's explaation but BZ knows better.
Mokuton that both zetsu and hashi possess came from mazou, but as madz said it was degraded version for Obito just for him to survive.

 

[VongolaX]

That was maddy's explaation but BZ knows better.
Mokuton that both zetsu and hashi possess came from mazou, but as madz said it was degraded version for Obito just for him to survive.

I read this under Hashirama's profile in the databook.

Remember white zetsu are just humans, it's impossible to produce a type of zetsu goo.

I know white Zetsu's can cut off their limbs to give it to Madara or Obito

 

[Demonic.]

That was maddy's explaation but BZ knows better.
Mokuton that both zetsu and hashi possess came from mazou, but as madz said it was degraded version for Obito just for him to survive.

Wrong. After Zetsu was taken over by Orochimaru, Tobirama said his body was almost entirely composed of Hashirama's cells.


Ot: He would be at MS Kakashi level

 

[AlphaScythian]

I read this under Hashirama's profile in the databook.

Remember white zetsu are just humans, it's impossible to produce a type of zetsu goo.

I know white Zetsu's can cut off their limbs to give it to Madara or Obito

Manga > databook. Zetsu's are not human, they dont eat, drink, poop, fornicate etc. How is that human?
Manga even further claims that its transformation into new perfect soldiers/ androids.

Wrong. After Zetsu was taken over by Orochimaru, Tobirama said his body was almost entirely composed of Hashirama's cells.

Ot: He would be at MS Kakashi level

This doesnt prove anything, tobirama only had his sensing which allows him to perceive chakra signature (that of mokuton), his conclusion is based solely on that, but zetsu are not humans and it goes against mentioned facts above.

 

[Demonic.]

Manga > databook. Zetsu's are not human, they dont eat, drink, poop, fornicate etc. How is that human?
Manga even further claims that its transformation into new perfect soldiers/ androids.



This doesnt prove anything, tobirama only had his sensing which allows him to perceive chakra signature (that of mokuton), his conclusion is based solely on that, but zetsu are not humans and it goes against mentioned facts above.

Tobirama said he was made from Hashirama cells. Pretty sure Hashirama would recognize his own cells, as he noticed them first.

White Zetsu doesn't have to be human to be composed of Hashirama's cells

Hell Madz even told Obito "use Hashirama's cells to strengthen the connection to the Juubi. "

Don't know why you're trying to argue this.

Kamui beans

 

[VongolaX]

Manga > databook. Zetsu's are not human, they dont eat, drink, poop, fornicate etc. How is that human?
Manga even further claims that its transformation into new perfect soldiers/ androids.



This doesnt prove anything, tobirama only had his sensing which allows him to perceive chakra signature (that of mokuton), his conclusion is based solely on that, but zetsu are not humans and it goes against mentioned facts above.

That's what I'm saying, white Zetsu's use to be humans

DB never mention anything about white zetsu yet or at least translate it yet.

Obito was mentioned Hashirama's page of holding the Hashirama clone tissue and Madara implanting the part he bit.

Orochimaru was said to test all the missing people with Hashirama cells.

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If Obito was white zetsu, he would turned into a tree by kcm naruto's rasengan

 

[AlphaScythian]

Tobirama said he was made from Hashirama cells. Pretty sure Hashirama would recognize his own cells, as he noticed them first.

White Zetsu doesn't have to be human to be composed of Hashirama's cells

Hell Madz even told Obito "use Hashirama's cells to strengthen the connection to the Juubi. "

Don't know why you're trying to argue this.

Kamui beans

Im trying to explain you that their conclusion to the cells lies in sensing and they have sensed the presence of mokuton in all the cells just like in hashirama, but hashirama is not like zetsu he bleeds, zetsu dont.

It's different stuff, only thing they sensed is presence of mokuton, you cant claim that hashirama and zetsu are same thing bar soul.

 

[VongolaX]

Wrong translation, I meant the viz one:

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[Demonic.]

Im trying to explain you that their conclusion to the cells lies in sensing and they have sensed the presence of mokuton in all the cells just like in hashirama, but hashirama is not like zetsu he bleeds, zetsu dont.

It's different stuff, only thing they sensed is presence of mokuton, you cant claim that hashirama and zetsu are same thing bar soul.

Don't think they sense the "Mokuton." That's just speculation. Hashirama said "you strengthened the Edo tensei using my cells." It's clear what it means.

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[AlphaScythian]

Don't think they sense the "Mokuton." That's just speculation. Hashirama said "you strengthened the Edo tensei using my cells." It's clear what it means.

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I dont think you realize what sensing entitles, its all about chakra they cant sense cells or composition of cells via other means. The whole conclusion came only due to signature of chakra and it's presence in entirety of whole body just like tobirama concluded karin was uzumaki.

And if you wanna go so literal about it, if those are entire body of hashi cells thus whole hashirama then Oro, Obito, madara, kabuto have their right for his feats bar SM. If its the same thing why not?

Kamui beans

 

[ForbiddenUzumaki]

No hashi DNA = Obito dead so from this point everything is fanfic.

Let's say Obtiz survived regardless, no arm and no talent. Lets say he awakens MS through some bs reasons he goes blind after 2 days and cant spam that sht at all (once again he had no talent). Probably worse than Itachi using his MS.

He wouldn't even make top 50

 

[Demonic.]

I dont think you realize what sensing entitles, its all about chakra they cant sense cells or composition of cells via other means. The whole conclusion came only due to signature of chakra and it's presence in entirety of whole body just like tobirama concluded karin was uzumaki.

And if you wanna go so literal about it, if those are entire body of hashi cells thus whole hashirama then Oro, Obito, madara, kabuto have their right for his feats bar SM. If its the same thing why not?

Kamui beans

Except for Kabuto, all of them are proven to have mokuton (not Orochimaru but it's obvious he can) that doesn't mean they can use it at Hashirama's scale.

Yamato is a perfect example