If Naruto represents the Sage then who represents the younger son?

[Cosman]

I think the younger older thing only applies to Hashirama and Madara.

 

[kunde]

naruro not want to bring peace via love way like younger son... this clear.

LOL. .younger son's descendents senjuu's were always in fight with uchiha's. .it's like newton's 3rd law "for every action there is equal n opposite reaction" . .thats wat naruto currently trying to do . .naruto loves sasuke(LOL) and mourns for friends death(lik neji) and cares for fellow ninjas(he gave everyone in SA kurama chakra to protect themselves) . .it clearly shows that his character is being love type. .tel me if u want more info..

 

[neilson]

Maybe sasuke uchiha??

 

[AburameShino]

Younger son = Naruto (love, life force, yang chakra, will of the bijuu)
Elder son = Obito (Power, physical form of the bijuu in shape of the juubi, yin chakra)

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[take it easy]

LOL. .younger son's descendents senjuu's were always in fight with uchiha's. .it's like newton's 3rd law "for every action there is equal n opposite reaction" . .thats wat naruto currently trying to do . .naruto loves sasuke(LOL) and mourns for friends death(lik neji) and cares for fellow ninjas(he gave everyone in SA kurama chakra to protect themselves) . .it clearly shows that his character is being love type. .tel me if u want more info..

1. naruto not love sasuke
2. this normal human reaction,not love
3. desire to protrct everyone not equals love

Naruto = younger son (love)
Obito = older son (power)

They're suppose to represent the fight that maintains peace in which they're father (SO6P) had created before he died. Then entrusted them to continue his desire for peace.

no, naruto mix of younger and older son... also obito was evil because kakashi kill his lovve.

 

[take it easy]

Younger son = Naruto (love, life force, yang chakra, will of the bijuu)
Elder son = Obito (Power, physical form of the bijuu in shape of the juubi, yin chakra)

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naruto not have love and naruto have yin-yang chakra also naruto have many power too

 

[kunde]

1. naruto not love sasuke
2. this normal human reaction,not love
3. desire to protrct everyone not equals love

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   love is not something which only happens b/w a boy and girl. .there are many versions of love. .lik parental love etc . .
   wat u listed is also a part of love. .naruto loves sasuke lik a brother. .when neji died naruto was the one got affected most and felt sorry. .and one simply does not protect everyone. .he protects them because he cares for them . .and caring is also a part of love

 

[AburameShino]

naruto not have love and naruto have yin-yang chakra also naruto have many power too

My point is that I believe Naruto and Obito represent the two sons for multiple reasons (It's kinda all about the sage's creation of all things jutsu), and as such I think both have the capacity to achieve at least half of the sage's power.

Shows how godly the real sage must have been, and hopefully somebody attains that full power eventually.

That's my take on things right now anyway.

 

[Stark]

Is everyone slow? Obviously Sasuke is the one with the Dojutsu

 

[AburameShino]

Is everyone slow? Obviously Sasuke is the one with the Dojutsu

younger son had no dojutsu

 

[juzumaki]

younger son follows his fathers will

 

[GhostProject]

If Naruto is The Sage Representation, then that leaves Gaara as the closest character that could contrast Sasuke as the Elder Son, and that flies in the face of pretty much the entire series. The Younger Son is the one that will surpass Rikudou through his ideals of love, which Rikudou believed was the key to true power by the end of his life. This fits Naruto if he succeeds.

Also, the bottom panel blatantly states what Naruto and Sasuke are:

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The two most likely theories regarding this that do not break theming elements are:

1. Obito = Sage, Naruto = Younger Son, Sasuke = Elder Son

2. Obito = Harbinger of Disaster (Dark Rikudou), Naruto = Savior (Successor of Rikudou)

The second as a standalone theory is plausible, but most likely calls for Sasuke's death, fighting by Naruto's side to finish the Younger vs Elder Son conflict.

 

[Transcendence]

Hashirama. The parallel only applies to Hashirama and Madara. Sasuke, while coming from that lineage doesn't care about Peace. He cares about changing the twisted system that got his entire clan and brother killed and made his best friend a Jinchuriki. If you look into it, Hashirama and Madara are mirror representations of the sons.

1. They are both "Pure" descendants of the brothers.
2. They both strove for peace during their younger years.
3. Hashirama's ideal was for everyone to think that each villager as family; synonymous with love.
4. Madara's ideal was to subjugate the Shinobi world in a Genjutsu; synonymous with power.

Naruto is not a pure senju, therefore he does not go under the lineage nor the parallel itself. Sasuke doesn't have the ambitions of Madara, and both Naruto and Sasuke aren't fighting for peace; they are fighting for two different sides of the system.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Naruto cannot represent the Younger Son for the simple reason that he is an Uzumaki and not a Senju, the Elder and Younger Sons were creations from the Juubi's essence much like the Bijuus with Banbutsu Sozo, the Uchiha is the Yin of the Juubi while the Senju is the Yang of the Juubi. The Rikudou Sennin himself was an Uzumaki prior to becoming the Juubi's Jinchuuriki, therefore, Naruto, as an Uzumaki, perfectly represents Rikudou, the human Rikudou who fought the Juubi prior to becoming its Jinchuuriki.

 

[Transcendence]

Naruto cannot represent the Younger Son for the simple reason that he is an Uzumaki and not a Senju, the Elder and Younger Sons were creations from the Juubi's essence much like the Bijuus with Banbutsu Sozo, the Uchiha is the Yin of the Juubi while the Senju is the Yang of the Juubi. The Rikudou Sennin himself was an Uzumaki prior to becoming the Juubi's Jinchuuriki, therefore, Naruto, as an Uzumaki, perfectly represents Rikudou, the human Rikudou who fought the Juubi prior to becoming its Jinchuuriki.

Regarding your rep comment, I know. I was just stating that just in the possibility of KingHashirama coming here and running his mouth about it again. We've already had lengthy discussions about why Naruto is not a senju.

 

[GhostProject]

Naruto cannot represent the Younger Son for the simple reason that he is an Uzumaki and not a Senju, the Elder and Younger Sons were creations from the Juubi's essence much like the Bijuus with Banbutsu Sozo, the Uchiha is the Yin of the Juubi while the Senju is the Yang of the Juubi. The Rikudou Sennin himself was an Uzumaki prior to becoming the Juubi's Jinchuuriki, therefore, Naruto, as an Uzumaki, perfectly represents Rikudou, the human Rikudou who fought the Juubi prior to becoming its Jinchuuriki.

I don't believe the "because Naruto is an Uzumaki, not a pure Senju," argument works because since the Valley of the End fight Naruto has been a parallel to Hashirama, and in Obito's speech to Naruto with the introduction of the Sons, he said Naruto represented the Senju in the conflict.

The Uzumaki heritage of Rikudou is supportive that Naruto represents Rikudou, but not necessarily conclusive. Sasuke's role also becomes awkward if we dismiss Naruto's possibility of Younger Son too quickly. Naruto might match what we've seen of Rikudou's beliefs at the end of his life, but he also represents what we know of the Younger Son.

The ideal of love (bonds for Naruto), his role to attempt to make peace/fight with the Elder Son/Madara representation (Sasuke), and he is the prophecy child which corresponds with his role as Rikudou's successor, all match what we know of the Younger Son.

 

[FemmeFatale]

its sakura.​

When i said this I was cybering stoned to death, lol

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I don't believe the "because Naruto is an Uzumaki, not a pure Senju," argument works because since the Valley of the End fight Naruto has been a parallel to Hashirama, and in Obito's speech to Naruto with the introduction of the Sons, he said Naruto represented the Senju in the conflict.

The Uzumaki heritage of Rikudou is supportive that Naruto represents Rikudou, but not necessarily conclusive. Sasuke's role also becomes awkward if we dismiss Naruto's possibility of Younger Son too quickly. Naruto might match what we've seen of Rikudou's beliefs at the end of his life, but he also represents what we know of the Younger Son.

The ideal of love (bonds for Naruto), his role to attempt to make peace/fight with the Elder Son/Madara representation (Sasuke), and he is the prophecy child which corresponds with his role as Rikudou's successor, all match what we know of the Younger Son.

Incorrect, Tobi (pretending to be Madara at that time) was merely lying to Naruto saying he represents the Younger Son, for a few dozen chapters later he said this:

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He referred to Naruto as merely a "pawn", the Senju vs Uchiha dichotomy represents equal opposing factions, but clearly Tobi/Obito did not consider Naruto as such. Ergo, Tobi/Obito was lying to Naruto when he said that.

And there is one vital element that the Younger Son/Senju lacks that Naruto, as an Uzumaki, has: friendship with the Bijuus the Bijuus have no love for either Senju or Uchiha.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

I have a feeling Naruto and Sasuke are going to be like the elder and younger son. Ironic since Sasuke's 1 year older than Naruto and he has special eyes. I think, however, Naruto is the same as the sage in the end.

 

[Twisted007]

I have a feeling Naruto and Sasuke are going to be like the elder and younger son. Ironic since Sasuke's 1 year older than Naruto and he has special eyes. I think, however, Naruto is the same as the sage in the end.

Huh, i though that Sasuke was few months older than Naruto.

On topic, I don't care that much, the sage and his sons don't interest me.