if naruto didn't have the kyuubi and sasuke didn't have his sharingan

[ITACHIUCHIA101]

The reason Jiraiya trained him was because Naruto is Minato's son, and he and Minato we close considering Jiraiya was Minato's sensei. Plus Jiraiya is Naruto's godfather. Jiraiya would have trained Naruto regardless of whether or not the Kyuubi was inside him or not. At least that is what I believe.

yeah he would have but what i am saying is naruto would have been killed bye haku or gaara

 

[muutobirama3rdraikagemizu]

what im saying is they both die early on not who is stronger

This is true

 

[10023213]

Ok so the incident never happens this means sasuke gets trained by itachi and that means sasuke would have learned ms and he would be smart as hell and kenjustsu kirin sasuke>naruto in this situation huge part kirin would destroy naruto

the incident never happens were back 2 both of narutos parents are still alive which can probably teach naruto more than itachi
kirin requires 2 much prep+naruto enters sm and dodges it before it happens (if thats possible)
naruto attacks before he finishes kirin

 

[WindStyleKamehaShuriken]

then the show would be called lee and he would have kurama and the hyuga clan would have been asscinated by itachi hyuga and neji would be the aveneger and tenten would be...there

 

[ITACHIUCHIA101]

the incident never happens were back 2 both of narutos parents are still alive which can probably teach naruto more than itachi
kirin requires 2 much prep+naruto enters sm and dodges it before it happens (if thats possible)
naruto attacks before he finishes kirin

no his parents are dead, itachi is still hated by sasuke, and they die before they get any powerful moves

 

[muutobirama3rdraikagemizu]

the incident never happens were back 2 both of narutos parents are still alive which can probably teach naruto more than itachi
kirin requires 2 much prep+naruto enters sm and dodges it before it happens (if thats possible)
naruto attacks before he finishes kirin

Sasuke uses fire ball jutsu while naruto in the air sunsano arrow right to the head

 

[SandVillageShinobi]

without the fox naruto cant use his clones bc it would take too much chakra thus he wouldnt learn rasengan or sage mode....in other words he'd be a 16 year old academy student with no jutsu's

Naruto actually may have learned at the same pace as everyone else. In the beginning Naruto had no idea about Kyuubi and didn't know how to control him due to that. His lack of control for Kyuubi in the beginning was the reason he didn't learn as quickly as the other students because Kyuubi offset Naruto's chakra with it's own. Therefore if he didn't have Kyuubi he would have been able to learn more quickly in the beginning. Sure he wouldn't have been able to use quite as many clones but it doesn't mean that he wouldn't learn Rasengan or Sage Mode, he would've just learned them slower. Kyuubi actually proved to be a problem during Sage training anyway because once again his chakra was offset.

 

[10023213]

no his parents are dead, itachi is still hated by sasuke, and they die before they get any powerful moves

he was describing what would happen if the 9ts never appeared

Sasuke uses fire ball jutsu while naruto in the air sunsano arrow right to the head

im confused are we back 2 both naruto and sasuke have everything they have right now or are we still talking about the thread

 

[ITACHIUCHIA101]

Naruto actually may have learned at the same pace as everyone else. In the beginning Naruto had no idea about Kyuubi and didn't know how to control him due to that. His lack of control for Kyuubi in the beginning was the reason he didn't learn as quickly as the other students because Kyuubi offset Naruto's chakra with it's own. Therefore if he didn't have Kyuubi he would have been able to learn more quickly in the beginning. Sure he wouldn't have been able to use quite as many clones but it doesn't mean that he wouldn't learn Rasengan or Sage Mode, he would've just learned them slower. Kyuubi actually proved to be a problem during Sage training anyway because once again his chakra was offset.

he would die before he could learn SM or rasengan

 

[realobito1]

People keep saying that naruto parents would be alive if he had no ninetails because whywould minato not put the ninetails in himif the kurama thing happened. It does not matter don't make common sense of it. Why would sasuke not have sharingan when he is an uchiha. Why would the son of the clan leader not have the kkg. What does that mean he is retarted. This thread is simply about if neither had these abilities you don't get to change their lives. To make logic of sasuke not having sharingan we would have to change his clan so naruto parents are alive and sasuke is a hyuuga right

 

[ITACHIUCHIA101]

this thread just got so confusing -________________-

 

[ITACHIUCHIA101]

People keep saying that naruto parents would be alive if he had no ninetails because whywould minato not put the ninetails in himif the kurama thing happened. It does not matter don't make common sense of it. Why would sasuke not have sharingan when he is an uchiha. Why would the son of the clan leader not have the kkg. What does that mean he is retarted. This thread is simply about if neither had these abilities you don't get to change their lives.

thank you for that

 

[10023213]

he wouldn't die cuz nobody wants him if he doesn't have the tb

 

[muutobirama3rdraikagemizu]

he was describing what would happen if the 9ts never appeared



im confused are we back 2 both naruto and sasuke have everything they have right now or are we still talking about the thread

Thread sasuke would have ms and naruto sm and ftg

 

[ITACHIUCHIA101]

he wouldn't die cuz nobody wants him if he doesn't have the tb

haku, zabuza, gaara, and the sound ninja were not going after the tailed beast

 

[EliteKakashi]

They would have both took different paths in life. Someone like Hiruzen who had no special kekkei genkai or doujutsu or anything like that became known as one of the strongest ever. Kakashi became a jounin at 13 without any special upgrades, as well.

Naruto doesn't end up on Kakashi's team if he doesn't have the kyuubi, so no, he wouldn't be dead vs Haku or whatever. Naruto was given to Kakashi for that sole reason. Sasuke there's no clue about, but a possibility he doesn't end up on Kakashi's team as well.

 

[icedonkey]

not a Sasuke fan but you do know how different having the Sharingan and having the kyuubi is right?

The Kyuubi is a whole other being with you, giving you their power,

while the sharingan is your power.



anyway Its hard to say what would happen to either of them if they didn't have their key powers.

Their life's would be much different.

Overall, it would effect Naruto the most though, he would be accepted therefore have a much different personality, therefore not have that "try hard for your goals" ideology and wouldn't be the Naruto we know today. He'd probably be much weaker, but its hard to say. Maybe he's a natural genius like Neji or Sasuke, he's just clumsy and bad at learning things (unless plot no jutsu comes along) because of his hard life and trying to be accepted :shrug:

 

[ITACHIUCHIA101]

They would have both took different paths in life. Someone like Hiruzen who had no special kekkei genkai or doujutsu or anything like that became known as one of the strongest ever. Kakashi became a jounin at 13 without any special upgrades, as well.

Naruto doesn't end up on Kakashi's team if he doesn't have the kyuubi, so no, he wouldn't be dead vs Haku or whatever. Naruto was given to Kakashi for that sole reason. Sasuke there's no clue about, but a possibility he doesn't end up on Kakashi's team as well.

im saying if their lifes went the same way but they didnt have the mentioned power ups

 

[SandVillageShinobi]

he would die before he could learn SM or rasengan

I completely understand that. I was just saying that if he were to live that he would be able to learn them, just not as easily.

 

[Prime Rib]

without kurama naruto could never learn most of his techniques