If Minato had listened to Kushina and sealed Kurama back into her...

[MAN OF SIN]

She and Minato would have lived and Naruto wouldn't have been an ophran or lived the life of a lonely Jin.

I don't blame Minato as there is no way anyone could have known that since jins usually die instantly from having a tailed beast removed from them. But is it messed up how his solution ended up being the worst option along and the answer was right front of him.

Would have loved to edo Minato comment on this. Anybody else with me?

 

[Ansatsuken]

If Kishi had listened to Kushina to be exact.

 

[Angelic.]

They wanted their son to kick obitos ass

 

[Mari Makinami]

If Kishi had listened to Kushina to be exact.

^this

 

[Avani]

She would have lived and Naruto wouldn't have been an ophran. Though Minato still would have still been a dead man, but Naruto would still have had his mother and wouldn't have became a Jin.

I don't blame Minato as there is no way anyone could have known that since jins usually die instantly from having a tailed beast removed from them. But is it messed up how his solution ended up being the worst option along and the answer was right front of him.

Would have loved to edo Minato comment on this. Anybody else with me?

First- Doesn't it take a willing beast to share his chakra with the host body and not let it die? Will it cooperate with a weakened jinchuriki if sealed forcefully? For Kurama used to constantly take chakra from Naruto too to stay in. ( or you can say chakra spent to subdue the tailed beast.) Anyway..

People make decisions based on what they know and anticipate. Minato only sensed a strong enough enemy, and that Konoha would need the 9 tails when he returns and cannot risk to lose it.

Minato would have if she was going to live and he knew it. She herself thought she would still die and only thought to take care of it temp as it would have taken time before Kurama could manifest himself again. Seeing no known Jinchuriki so far survived the extraction except Gara and Naruto and both had a Chhiyo and SoSP in the mix, it's also not clear whether it would have worked for Kushina. And it's not like they have time to test out their theories regarding it.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

People make decisions based on what they know and anticipate.

I know. That's why I said I don't blame Minato. But I found the whole thing messed up and would have loved to see edo Minato's reaction to learning that.

And I just remembered that Kushina stated that she could have resealed Kurama by herself. So they all could have lived.=/

Minato would have if she was going to live and he knew it. She herself thought she would still die and only plan to take care of it temp as it would have taken time before Kurama could manifest himself again. Seeing no known Jinchuriki so far survived the extraction except Gara and Naruto and both had a Chhiyo and SoSP in the mix, it's also not clear whether it would have worked for Kushina.

Was it even clear that SoSP was involved with saving Naruto and Sasuke? The manga suggested that it was Kabuto that saved Sasuke.

 

[Avani]

I know. That's why I said I don't blame Minato. But I found the whole thing messed up and would have loved to see edo Minato's reaction to learning that.

And I just remembered that Kushina stated that she could have resealed Kurama by herself. So they all could have lived.=/



Was it even clear that SoSP was involved with saving Naruto and Sasuke? The manga suggested that it was Kabuto that saved Sasuke.

Nah, Sage only reinforced them. 'Was still trying to remember the sequence when I typed that. I forgot to fix that- but I had added the fact of the tailed beasts being willing to cooperate and Naruto not having to need to give them chakra or use his own to control them.

He still had small amount of chakra of other beasts (Obito only snatched the ones he had missing-Kurama half, and first and eight tails') and still dying so it's not clear exactly what was so special about the chakra of the same beast. But these two conditions seem a must for a jinchuriki to be one again- that it has to be the same beast even if he has other chakra and that it's willing to cooperate or it will kill the host anyway or overpower it.

For the rest ring Kishi for details if he hasn't fried his brain enough already.

As for Minato- I hope he is past all that after his death.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Nope, he said it down to outside people for reviving Naruto as he was dead already

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From this we can infer that putting back Bijuu inside the Jin back can help keep them alive. Obito never knew about Hago. Inside his mind what he knew is if he put back Bijuu inside Naruto, he can be revive/saved. I should try.

Words from Zetsu is true that once Jinn lost their Bijuu they will die. But key word here is Lost. But if they get back their Bijuu, it not a lost anymore but gain.

As for Kushina, maybe bcus of giving birth situation she felt that she couldnt hold on anymore even though she received Kurama. back

Edit: Why I'm quoting my own post when I'm actually editing my previous post?:wut:

 

[Avani]

From this we can infer that putting back Bijuu inside the Jin back can help keep them alive. Obito never knew about Hago. Inside his mind what he knew is if he put back Bijuu inside Naruto, he can be revive/saved. I should try.

Words from Zetsu is true that once Jinn lost their Bijuu they will die. But key word here is Lost. But if they get back their Bijuu, it not a lost anymore but gain.

As for Kushina, maybe bcus of giving birth situation she felt that she couldnt hold on anymore even though she received Kurama. back

Edit: Why I'm quoting my own post when I'm actually editing my previous post?:wut:

The fact that Kurama asked Gara to get Naruto to MInato and get the other half would give a hint.

( just realized again that Obito also pulled some sage chakra for himself when he sneaked Bijju chakra.)

 

[MAN OF SIN]

First- Doesn't it take a willing beast to share his chakra with the host body and not let it die? Will it cooperate with a weakened jinchuriki if sealed forcefully? For Kurama used to constantly take chakra from Naruto too to stay in. ( or you can say chakra spent to subdue the tailed beast.) Anyway..

No. There are instances in part 1 where Kurama's chakra automatically heals Naruto and he hated him back then.

 

[Ansatsuken]

The fact that Kurama asked Gara to get Naruto to MInato and get the other half would give a hint. Obito also pulled some sage chakra for himself when he sneaked Bijju chakra.

Yeah that was a hint.

Obito pulling Sage chakra had nothing to do with wanting/knowing this chakra/Hago will help in saving Naruto I guess but for later upcoming Showdown in Kaguya arc purpose.

 

[Avani]

Yeah that was a hint.

Obito pulling Sage chakra had nothing to do with wanting/knowing this chakra/Hago will help in saving Naruto I guess but for later upcoming Showdown in Kaguya arc purpose.

It has to do with me checking that page just now and remembering it and saving it for self reference. Nothing more. I had forgotten that part. Don't mind me. I am distracted.

No. There are instances in part 1 where Kurama's chakra automatically heals Naruto and he hated him back then.

That was automatic side effect since it mixes with hosts chakra isn't it? It was shown that while he gave chakra to Naruto for co-survival, he also takes a part of hosts and if the balance is broken he can over power the host. He was not trying to cooperate with Kushina but trying to kill her. And she was injured.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

That was automatic side effect since it mixes with hosts chakra isn't it?

That seems to happen with all jins. Shukaku's sand automatically protected Gaara since he was a kid.

It has been stated that while he gave chakra to Naruto for co-survival, but he was not trying to cooperate with Kushina but trying to kill her. And she was injured.

Uh, why would he give chakra for Naruto to survival? When a Jin dies the tailed beast lives on.

 

[lndra]

Minato was going to die anyway, he was going to use RDS.

Plus, the reason why Minato sealed the Kyuubi inside of Naruto was because he believed that Naruto would one die rise against whoever attacked the Village. I believe that's why he didn't seal it in Kushina, because he knew that one day the rest of it's power would have to return.

Honestly it's kind of sad when you think about it. Minato had to make a really tough call.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Minato was going to die anyway, he was going to use RDS.

Plus, the reason why Minato sealed the Kyuubi inside of Naruto was because he believed that Naruto would one die rise against whoever attacked the Village. I believe that's why he didn't seal it in Kushina, because he knew that one day the rest of it's power would have to return.

Honestly it's kind of sad when you think about it. Minato had to make a really tough call.

Kushina said she could have sealed Kurama herself.

 

[Avani]

That seems to happen with all jins. Shukaku's sand automatically protected Gaara since he was a kid.



Uh, why would he gave chakra for Naruto to survival? When a Jin dies the tailed beast lives on.

Co-dependence. All the tailed beasts that were roaming free were captured relatively easily. Even Kurama once freed was being controlled by Obito/Madara). Plus if you add anime - they added the idea of Sora- reaping the free escaaping chakra that escaped while Kurama was unsealed and resealed. That reinforces the idea of free chakra mass being targeted anyway, while with a jin they were stronger and a partner if it worked out. Otherwise, they still kept trying to be the one in the driving seat.

So I suppose having a body and a partner helped them too -the part they hated that they were forced in to a jinchuriki who were mistreated themselves too and also treated beasts as an unwanted liability causing trouble while using them. Goku liked his previous jinchuriki who was nice and friendly to him despite the odds against him.
ore than one ways.

 

[Kunihi]

At the time kushina died, Kishi probably didn't have the idea in his head that sealing the bijuu back into the jinchuriki.

Now that it's a thing though, that would have made 1,000,000 times more sense then what minato did.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Co-dependence. All the tailed beasts that were roaming free were easily captured. Even Kurama once freed was being controlled by Obito in past by Madara). While with a jin they were stronger. They still kept trying to be the one in the driving seat.

So I suppose having a body and a partner helped them too -the part they hated that they were forced in to a jinchuriki who were mistreated themselves too and also treated beasts as an unwanted liability causing trouble while using them.

Plus if you add anime - they added the idea of Sora- reaping the free chakra that escaped while Kurama was unsealed and resealed. That reinforces the idea of free chakra mass being targeted in ore than one ways.

IIRC, it was stated that the host could control their power better.

 

[Honord Sage]

When Obito gave Naruto Kurama We saw that Uzumaki recover right back up. Translation Minato did not need the Reaper seal, just an ordinary seal one for Naruto and one for Kushina and all the evil Naruto had to endure from the Konoha Morons would not had happen because you don’t mess with a Boy who’s Father is the Yellow Flash and Who’s Mother is the Red Habanero.