If Itachi & Minato were both applying for Hokage at the same time at same age
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Itachi is the obvious answer especially if Hiruzen knew Itachi had a Hokage's reasoning while he was 7 years old. Sounds like he was waiting on him to be Hokage. Itachi actually had emotions and shown them for the village and knew what needed to be done even against his family. The sharingan looks scarier than Minato's hair.
Jiraiya saying what he said about Minato being a genius no one's talent has seen since, is not including Itachi. Jiraiya didn't know anything about Itachi other than Uchiha massacre and sharingan jutsu. Minato was just a jutsu guy, Itachi had "worldly" plans.
Jiraiya saying what he said about Minato being a genius no one's talent has seen since, is not including Itachi. Jiraiya didn't know anything about Itachi other than Uchiha massacre and sharingan jutsu. Minato was just a jutsu guy, Itachi had "worldly" plans.
You nerf minato but yet give itachi everything <this and having them being the same age when minato is 10-20 years older than itachi NOW you taking away experience(someone like minato the older he got the wiser/smarter he got) TELLS ME MINATO WINS BECAUSE HE HAVE TO BE NERF
1.What proves that Hiruzen wanted Itachi to become the Hokage? He just stated that he had reasoning like that of a Hokage when he was 7 years old.
2. Minato also knew what to do. And why does it matter if Itachi's Sharingan is scarier than Minato's hair? This is completely pointless.
3.It was still stated by Jiraiya that Minato was once a decade Genius.
4.What do you mean by Jutsu guy? He also planned a lot of things.
He wove Kushina's chakra into the seal so that if the Nine tails's seal was undone, Kushina could come and meet Naruto. Minato is the reason why Naruto could control his power now and could know his mother. He chose to seal the Kyuubi inside Naruto because he was the only one who can handle it at that time and could stop Obito.
He chose the Shinobi world over his family, don't forget that.
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You mean a Sannin and one of the strongest Ninja of Konoha at that time will not know anything about Itachi and Uchiha ? Are you on drugs ?
Point 4: Itachi's maximal Power is already showed, Minato did not even showed 70 %.
They are so many announcements in MANGA about Minato's Skill but we did not see it even yet...i could give you some examples if you want it, but i think you know what a mean.
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Itachi is my favorite character, but Minato easily. Itachi is better suited for a Jounin role. Minato has a larger chakra pool, being able to teleport a TBB and hold half the 9 tails chakra is proof of this. Minato has been in leadership roles before. Also he has his relationship to Kushina, the current host of the 9 tails at that time.
If Itachi was groomed for the position I could see it, but Itachi has shown he is more often than not going to take on a task by himself. It was only after he died that he realized he needed acknowledgement and the assistance of comrades to do the things he needed to do.
If Itachi was groomed for the position I could see it, but Itachi has shown he is more often than not going to take on a task by himself. It was only after he died that he realized he needed acknowledgement and the assistance of comrades to do the things he needed to do.
Itachi was 17 when he was introduced. He died at 21. That's 4 years. :/
Also, this is a series where people can get cut in half, use 8 gates, lose limbs, etc and live. Just because Itachi had a terminal sickness does not mean that he'd still die...if he wasn't a criminal, he'd have more access to better medications and probably find a cure to live. Too bad that he was a missing-nin who had limited access to everything due to his title and the hatred from everyone that was directed towards him, and was planning to die so Sasuke could have the distinction of taking down an S-Rank criminal. U_U
Depends. He wasn't the type of person to take Sasuke's eyes to avoid blindness, however, Itachi is the type to regulate his sharingan usage. He kept his sight the longest out of all the Uchiha who had MS. He had his sight for 8 years. (Obito doesn't need to worry about blindness due to having Hashirama's DNA, so his tech is spammable). He'd be smart enough to not go blind during his reign as hokage, and he'd have a village to back him up. Hokages don't actually get into many fights, at least from what we've seen, most often times they send other shinobi to handle missions. As a hokage, Itachi would actually use his MS less than he actually did as an Akatsuki member.
Give Minato everything he had when alive...and alive Itachi beats him high-diff.
The OP is comparing Itachi and Minato if they were the same age, the age at which Itachi was introduced...which was 17. Itachi had more leadership experience than Minato did at that age by leaps and bounds. And, to be honest here, hokages tend to handle conflicts alone most of the time. But, nonetheless, I agree that Minato is better suited for a position like hokage and Itachi is better staying with the characterization Kishimoto wrote him as: A shinobi in the shadows and believes in self-sacrifice.
Jiraiya didn't know a thing about amaterasu or susano'o. Just Tsukiyomi, and he continued to look at Itachi's eyes. :/
Alive Minato's maximum power was shown on the night of the Kyuubi attack. Alive/Edo Itachi's maximum power was never shown because in every fight he had, Kishimoto always literally indicated in a panel that he was holding back and has given us that fact that he does not enjoy combat in the first place. However, Edo Minato's power hasn't been fully shown, considering that he has yet to show that long-named jutsu of his...but other than that, that's all.
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Itachi. Simply because we saw the best Minato could do on the night of the Kyuubi attack. Itachi would also be good at a leadership role (he's already handled it from an early age. He was Anbu captain at age 13, he was the leader as far as who was in charge between him and Kisame, and he was being taught how to be a leader because he was set to take over the Uchiha clan one day) and Konoha would definitely be safe. He also has a better skill set than alive Minato. He would be the better choice for Konoha's safety.
However, with all of that being said, the hokage title is most often times more of a poster and paperwork position. Itachi isn't a glory hog, nor does he care about people praising him, or the significance behind petty titles... he doesn't quite fit a position like this. Itachi is more of a behind-the-scenes type of guy and can protect Konoha as a solo shinobi. Minato is all-smiles and likes to hear that acknowledgement from everyone, so he'd be a better fit. Itachi would have been better off actually succeeding Fugaku as the Uchiha clan head, then he and Minato could be good friends (since they share many of the same ideals and don't show favoritism or bias with their family over the innocent people in Konoha). Then, the Uchiha/Konoha problem would be solved for many years to come due to Itachi's reign over the clan and passing on his ideals to his kid who would succeed him & Minato passing on his ideals to the next hokage, who would presumably be his son, Naruto.
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I agree that Minato is better for the hokage position than Itachi, however,
His perspective wasn't much better, considering that he was just saying that maybe he could have changed it. But as a hokage, even with Kushina being friends with Mikoto, he did absolutely nothing to help the Uchiha. Obviously, he was clueless when it came to them and how they felt. And Fugaku didn't have any interest in him, considering that he never bothered to talk to him about the way the Uchiha were pushed out of the political sphere.
Yeah...everyone in the shinobi world was fooled into thinking Tobi=Madara. Minato, Itachi, Sasuke, gokages, etc mentioned that Madara was too old to be him, but in the end they went with it because they couldn't think of who else it would be. The only exceptions were Madara himself (obviously), Obito (obviously), and Kabuto (because he found that bunshin). This doesn't have anything to do with being a better hokage.
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So Minato invented Jutsu when he was dead? He must have also learned sage mode while he was dead too. That confirms is, Minato is the greatest shinobi ever. Also Edo-Itachi is stronger than he was when he was alive, due to him not having the illness and being able to use Susanoo much longer.
Don't fanboy Minato too hard, now.
Edos don't come back at their full strength, as they were when they were alive. What you said for Itachi is even moreso for Minato. Edo Minato is much stronger than when he was alive, considering that he has a much larger chakra pool, BM mode, and can regenerate just as all the Edos do, otherwise he would have died long ago, back when Obito was a Juubi Jin. Edo Minato's potential does not equal Alive Minato's potential by far. Same goes for Itachi. Only difference here is that for Itachi, it is canon that he never went all out and didn't have the intention of killing an opponent, whereas for Minato, it only holds true that as an Edo, he hasn't shown everything, but when Alive, he went all out and died (just because you don't show every jutsu in your arsenal does not mean that you didn't show your potential...potential lies at how much a ninja can do before going out whilst not holding back, which Minato did while alive).
Yes, we did see his full potential alive on the day of the Kyuubi attack. His SM is pitiful and he even admitted to never using it in an actual battle, because it wouldn't be of much use with the way he handles it. He didn't hold back in a situation that had the village, Naruto, and Kushina in jeaporady...he went all out and died. That was his potential when alive.
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So if Itachi supposedly never fought at his full potential then how do you know his full potential? Who could he have beaten if he went "all out?" Could he have defeated Sasuke before he died? Do you think he could have defeated pain? Or Jaraiya?
But then he would have to obviously hold back against strong opponents, which gives him a big disadvantage. Whereas, Minato won't have the need to hold back. Minato won't have the " hold back mindset" as Itachi.
Minato wins if a battle happens between him and Itachi.
Let's see..
Itachi ->
Genjutsu - Minato can simply not look at his eyes. Moreover Tsukuyomi needs a significant eye blink and you know that Minato's movements operate in a blink of an eye, moreover if he tries to use Amaterasu Minato could simply sense the pressure since Minato is a sensory type.
Taijutsu - Can Itachi really keep up with Minato? Moreover does he have the stamina to fight someone with that much fast reflexes? It will take up a lot of stamina to keep up with someone like Minato which gives Itachi a big disadvantage because of his low stamina.
Ninjutsu ->
1.Long range Fire ball/Water Jutsu- Minato can easily teleport out of the range and avoid the attacks, long range attacks are useless against Minato.
2.Susano'o -> Totsuka blade and Yata Mirror are useless, Minato can keep on teleporting until Itachi dies of his sickness.
Minato wins low - high difficulty.
We don't know what Minato was like when he was 17, so it's pointless. How can you assume that Itachi had more experience? We didn't even have a flashback of Minato when he was 17. Yeah, you're right on that one, that's one more point that why Minato should be a Hokage rather than Itachi.
We still don't know the full power of Minato or Itachi, since Minato didn't have enough panel time and Itachi was holding back. So we can't assume anything about that.
How can you say that? That was a very short match. Moreover, Minato had to end the fight as fast as he could, since he had to stop the Kyuubi and save the villagers too.
Yeah, sure he was Anbu captain at the age of 13, but how does that prove that Itachi > Minato at that age? We don't know what Minato could do at that age so we cannot say who's better at that age.
This just proves that Minato would be a better hokage.
Yeah, he had no idea. But Minato is not the type who will let these situations slip away, if he was alive, he wouldn't have give a f^^k what elders think and wouldn't let the Coup D'etat happen. But then again, it doesn't matter. Minato is still a better Hokage candidate than Itachi.
You need to read things more carefully kid. You are incorrect. As the thread was worded, OP did not give Minato a set age. The age of 17 was specified only for Itachi. Which in all honesty it wouldn't matter, as your "Itachi had more leadership experience by leaps and bounds" comment is pure speculation as Itachi has never been said to be in any leadership role. He was a member of the Anbu at a very young age, but never said to have lead his own squad. He has never been said to be in charge of genin at any point, he wasn't in charge of the Akatsuki, was never a Hokage, or anything else where he was directly in charge of subordinates. I could be wrong and there may have be something a small mission he lead others in that was mentioned in the manga, but that alone is still minuscule compared to Minato's leadership experience.
As for the part about Hokages doing things alone, again, take time to read a little more carefully. My comment was about taking on tasks alone and not considering the feelings and strength of others. Rather than trust the maturity of Sasuke, Itachi chose to shoulder the burden alone without believing in brother's strength. When Hiruzen fought Oro and gave his life, he did so because he in fact trusted the future of the leaf to the up and comers, aka the "Will of Fire". It's right in the manga if you need evidence, just go back to that fight and listen to his dying speech, but I'm sure this is something you remember. Minato also made his son a jin because he believed in his ability. Even Tobirama died while entrusting the future to Hiruzen. So I really do not understand this idea you have that Hokages try to go it alone. History tells us that they more than not entrust their goals to their subordinates. Itachi did not have this mindset, even after death, he tried to manipulate what would happen with the attempt to keep Obito away from Sasuke, rather than just trusting Sasuke to deal with it on his own. Itachi said that he tried to do it on his own rather than believe in Sasuke. It is right in the manga as well. That is the core difference between he and Minato in regards to others. One cooperates with others to accomplish long term goals. The other tries to do it on his own.
Though you jumped the gun a little and misunderstood some things, I did like a lot of your post as far as addressing everyone else, so I give you +rep anyway for the effort
If it is stated that a character has no desire to kill and instead has ulterior motives in every fight they are in, then they are in fact holding back.
Going by the databook as well as feats, Itachi is on a higher tier than both Hebi Sasuke and Jiraiya.
It's not all that possible to say who would be the highest opponent Itachi could take down while alive, though that probably would be alive (so no BM) Minato extremely high-diff.
MS, I agree with you and do believe that Minato is far better-suited than Itachi is for the hokage title.
However, as far as this "vs" business goes, I think that Alive Itachi>Alive Minato by a very, very, very, slight margin and BM Minato>>>>>>>>>>>>Itachi. I have reasons, but I shall refrain from explaining them in this thread because that's not exactly what it's about.
@bold-Itachi was said to have been an Anbu captain at age 13. :/
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You're right though and I agree. I just assumed that the OP was comparing Minato and Itachi at age 17, because he set that limit for Itachi, and in the title of the thread it states "both applying for Hokage at the same time and same age". So I thought that meant Minato was 17 as well-but I thought that would be odd because we don't have any info on his leadership abilities when he was that young. That was the only reason I mentioned Itachi's. xD
Once again, in my previous post to you I agreed that Minato is a far better man to be hokage than Itachi-it doesn't quite fit the Uchiha. Kishimoto wrote them the way they should be. Minato is best as the hokage and Itachi is best as a shinobi in the shadows.
Thanks for being polite.
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