If I can curse God but get away with it, what's the point?

[Chikombo]

Like is hell supposed to be the point of it?
Let's say I'm really spiteful, but I work hard and get through anyway.
Do I get a cookie or something?

Also another question, if people need God to be good, are they "really" good?

If people sailed away to a boat, and then built a house on that boat, and had kids and never told them about God, and that kid was still a good person.

You could argue good still comes from the church, but does it need to continue with it?


If people do bad things in the name of religion, or if they can't fit in cus of religion, perhaps scientific issues or dress codes.

Is it still "really" worth it?



psst, join me and be heathen!

 

[salamander uchiha]

You could argue good still comes from the church, but does it need to continue with it?

Well yeah, since human nature creeps in and one will try to dominate the other and eventually you'll have warring factions again over time. That is why the source of reminder of morality is always needed to fight that nature. However, why should you listen to other men as you have free will. The source has to be one of greater authority than people to overcome that which is God. Who know sweat is good for you or better for you than your maker.

 

[Chikombo]

Well yeah, since human nature creeps in and one will try to dominate the other and eventually you'll have warring factions again over time. That is why the source of reminder of morality is always needed to fight that nature. However, why should you listen to other men as you have free will. The source has to be one of greater authority than people to overcome that which is God. Who know sweat is good for you or better for you than your maker.

But it sounds like it's something invisible that people don't even need to be aware of they can just stumble upon it regardless, call it something else even.
So if that's the case, is the future going to pretend it's not being religious while adopting religion regardless?

 

[salamander uchiha]

But it sounds like it's something invisible that people don't even need to be aware of they can just stumble upon it regardless, call it something else even.
So if that's the case, is the future going to pretend it's not being religious while adopting religion regardless?

That's a little confusing, I'm saying if you remove God and human nature wins you will end up having people at war. Of they don't have a higher authority to turn to they will continue fighting and killing until one or the other is wiped out. It's always about dominance, which comes from envy and lust. They won't really become religious as they won't know the concept. You're situation is about eliminating the concept of religion and God, no?

That's why I said God is always necessary whether people like to accept God or not.

 

[Chikombo]

That's a little confusing, I'm saying if you remove God and human nature wins you will end up having people at war. Of they don't have a higher authority to turn to they will continue fighting and killing until one or the other is wiped out. It's always about dominance, which comes from envy and lust. They won't really become religious as they won't know the concept. You're situation is about eliminating the concept of religion and God, no?

That's why I said God is always necessary whether people like to accept God or not.

Yes but, if one would eliminate, not necessarily what God stands for, but just the idea of God, so people might be religious without knowing about it.
Does that still count as a religion? Or have you just cherry-picked the good parts unknowingly?

 

[salamander uchiha]

Yes but, if one would eliminate, not necessarily what God stands for, but just the idea of God, so people might be religious without knowing about it.
Does that still count as a religion? Or have you just cherry-picked the good parts unknowingly?

It would be acting on virtue and have influences from religion. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it is a duck comes to mind.

The only problem you have is the one I've mentioned. No God = nothing to eventually combat human nature when it takes over.

The good parts would be irrelevant at that point.

 

[Avani]

You are trying to measure concept of God with your own mortal standards as if he is a human of this earth and thinks, acts and behaves like some kind of egoistic political King on earth.

What makes you believe he cares one way or the other to even bother with you on personal level in the vast universe?

Can you describe God as mind, the intellect, the ego, pride, jealousy or the memory, ears, skin, eyes, elements, matter, desire, wealth, lust, virtue, pleasure or pain... basically without reducing him to your level and giving him human attributes?
... If He is beyond this world, and feelings why would he care for your curse or praise?

 

[Chikombo]

You are trying to measure concept of God with your own mortal standards as if he is a human of this earth and thinks, acts and behaves like some kind of egoistic political King on earth.

What makes you believe he cares one or the other to even bother with you on personal level in the vast universe?

Can you describe God as mind, the intellect, the ego, pride, jealousy or the memory, ears, skin, eyes, elements, matter, desire, wealth, lust, virtue, pleasure or pain... basically without reducing him to your level and giving him human attributes?
... If He is beyond this world, and feelings why would he care for your curse or praise?

Doesn't that also make him irrelevant to the human experience of earth then?
I mean, why would I care if God is incomprehensible to me anyway?
I might as well live my life to my own standards whatever they are, or what I think they are, and then it wouldn't make a difference if I instead was afraid of angering him all the time?

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

You seem to spend a lot of time thinking about this stuff. Tbh, you should probably use that time to read instead. It'll help your thoughts grow.

 

[Chikombo]

You seem to spend a lot of time thinking about this stuff. Tbh, you should probably use that time to read instead. It'll help your thoughts grow.

I am reading, all the time, usually it's minamoto quotes.

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I actually bought a huge collection, a book about Israel, a book on Guantanamo bay, a book about world war 1 etc etc. But they were all stolen ,the insurance company says I can't prove it's not my former tenant and since he had access through a key they wont pay. The police says I can't prove it's him so they can't do anything.

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The problem with talking is that usually, people wanna debate, by using facts and shit.
As if people are ever gonna change their minds or be converted, I don't look for followers, I want to know what I should think for myself, so I engage in these topics to see what other people have to say, not to convert them into following me, but to understand other perspectives, because yes I do think about this alot.

 

[Avani]

Doesn't that also make him irrelevant to the human experience of earth then?


I mean, why would I care if God is incomprehensible to me anyway?
I might as well live my life to my own standards whatever they are, or what I think they are, and then it wouldn't make a difference if I instead was afraid of angering him all the time?

@bold: To all of us. But...

We are a curious being always wanting to know more and reach further and further. We maybe of no larger importance in the universe than the ants on the earth, but we believe ourselves to be important and would like to confirm anyway. After all, by and large many of use believe in a God that's fair reflection of our own. They claim God made us in likeness of himself. Talk about Human arrogance in face of our own ignorance.

Then again, maybe as we came to exist somehow, we may have some part of that being we call God, like a tiny drop of water from the ocean. Creation of universe maybe a ripple effect. Some feel that we do need to get that enlightenment and realization to get back to our origins and we achieve that from behaving in a particular manner that we find good.

Others believe in a whole political system being run by God. Departments of heaven & hell, officials to carry out punishments etc.. Maybe both sides are wrong. Maybe we got some part of it correct.

The quest for whether he exists or not and why and what is eternal. So we make theories then we all stick to our theory as the most reasonable and trustworthy fact and go to wars over it. Like we do for every little thing. We like to argue and discuss even most unimportant stuff. Even arguments over imaginary manga characters leave blood on the forum floor.

I don't agree that we need to be "afraid" of God, whether he exists or not. That's part of the primitive concept of God and common in thread in most religions that they must make god/s happy etc. But we do need to aspire to be better version of ourselves. It's important for the individual as a part of the society to minimize the negatives. Sometimes theories about God do help in reigning ourselves in. But when politics and tribalism enters in it, it's positives go down the drains.