[Question] If Doflamingo was a Marine which position would suit his Strength?

[Punk Hazard]

i know but all main ones was including the VA my point is we would have seen fuji at some point before timeskip espacilly at war why wouldnt they use a gravity user my guess is fuji perosnally became an admiral because hes stronger then anyone they had left (bar garp) and he now wants to take justice into his own hands

Because not every Marine could have made it to the war? Look at Vergo. In a world as big as One Piece's, it's unfathomable to think that not every Marine could have made it to the Marineford in time for the war. Fujitora was simply one of them.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Because not every Marine could have made it to the war? Look at Vergo. In a world as big as One Piece's, it's unfathomable to think that not every Marine could have made it to the Marineford in time for the war. Fujitora was simply one of them.

i honestly dnt think hes a marine (before admiral)

even virgo he was shown to be very secretive for doffy (like laying low so cover not blown) i mean i guess but i dnt c why they would have left out such a strong person vergo while strong could not really combat whitebeards big dogs fuji should have been able too... so i dnt understand why he did not get called inn for the fight

 

[WoldOfFingo]

Because not every Marine could have made it to the war? Look at Vergo. In a world as big as One Piece's, it's unfathomable to think that not every Marine could have made it to the Marineford in time for the war. Fujitora was simply one of them.

He did say he was new to the marines though.. New to me seems like less than a year or something. It's still perspective I kno

 

[Forbidden Tale]

True, but you do need it to rival the strength of Four Yonko, their crew, and the hundreds upon hundreds of fleets they command. Kaido's crew alone consists of an army of at least 500. This doesn't even count his fleets/allies that serve under him.

You are wrong.

From Grand Times:

四皇 - "偉大なる航路"後半の海にて、皇帝のごとき力を誇る海賊。頭は4人だが、その戦力は他の世界的勢力と並ぶ 。
Yonkou - Pirates that shows emperor-like power in the later half of the "Grandline." Even though there are only four of them, their power equals to the other world forces.

I came to that conclusion from reading the ENITRE marineford arc. One yonkou, their crew, allies and territories equals to a small nation. The 4 of them together equal an entire country of overpowered freaks. The MARINES, not the WG, are equal to the 4 yonkous combinmed forces. The marines dominated the force of one yonkou. No marine top tier was beaten in marineford and the shichibukais were more of a hindrance.

Same what I said to Riker Slade.

四皇 - "偉大なる航路"後半の海にて、皇帝のごとき力を誇る海賊。頭は4人だが、その戦力は他の世界的勢力と並ぶ 。
Yonkou - Pirates that shows emperor-like power in the later half of the "Grandline." Even though there are only four of them, their power equals to the other world forces.

Four Yonkos can Crush the whole Marine plus Warlords,

This is not exactly true, it's Marine HQ ≈ Yonko ≈ Shichibukai

海軍 - 海上の治安を守る、世界政府機関のひとつ。敵は同じだが、王下七武海とは相容れない。
Marine - One of the World Government's organization that protects safety on the sea. Even though they have same enemy, they are not in friendly term with Shichibukai. (In others word, they don't work together.)

王下七武海 - 利益の一部を上納することで、世界政府から略奪を許されている。海賊への抑止力という意味もあり、その実力 も折り紙つきだ。
Shichibukai - By paying part of the profit, they are permitted to plunder by the World Government. This works as a restraint against the other pirates, and their ability is unquestioned.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You are wrong.

From Grand Times:

四皇 - "偉大なる航路"後半の海にて、皇帝のごとき力を誇る海賊。頭は4人だが、その戦力は他の世界的勢力と並ぶ 。
Yonkou - Pirates that shows emperor-like power in the later half of the "Grandline." Even though there are only four of them, their power equals to the other world forces.

If this was the case, then Whitebeard=Every Marine ever. You really think if Whitebeard went in there, and the Shichibukai sat back and did nothing, and he fought every Marine by himself, it'd be an even fight?

 

[Forbidden Tale]

If this was the case, then Whitebeard=Every Marine ever. You really think if Whitebeard went in there, and the Shichibukai sat back and did nothing, and he fought every Marine by himself, it'd be an even fight?

I am not exactly sure what you want to say.

To my understand I will give reply:

No I don't think because he need three more Yonkos to rival strength of Marine HQ. But in Yonko vs Marine HQ, most of the marines would be taken by King's Haki, which would leave 4 Yonkos vs FA, Admirals and Stronger Vice Admirals.

Pretty sure in that case it would be fair and pretty equal fight.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I am not exactly sure what you want to say.

To my understand I will give reply:

No I don't think because he need three more Yonkos to rival strength of Marine HQ. But in Yonko vs Marine HQ, most of the marines would be taken by King's Haki, which would leave 4 Yonkos vs FA, Admirals and Stronger Vice Admirals.

Pretty sure in that case it would be fair and pretty equal fight.

Yeahhh, Yonkos would be slaughtered.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Yeahhh, Yonkos would be slaughtered.

Oda doesn't seems to agree with you.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Oda doesn't seems to agree with you.

How lucky you are, having one on one conversations with Oda himself. Amazing.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

It wasn't really one on one.

 

[Punk Hazard]

It wasn't really one on one.

And what exactly gave you the conclusion?

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Was this actually confirmed?

Doflamingo said Fujitora and Green Bull joined during the Global Military Enlistment and quickly becoming known as beasts.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Doflamingo said Fujitora and Green Bull joined during the Global Military Enlistment and quickly becoming known as beasts.

He said they became Admirals through that, not Marines.

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[Forbidden Tale]

And what exactly gave you the conclusion?

Jokes aside, I already posted what gave me that conclusion from an One Piece omake, plus Garp already said that these three powers rival each other.

He said they became Admirals through that, not Marines.

I am pretty sure that "World conscription" wouldn't need to be used if they were already Marines.

And it's true that not all marines were present in Marineford, but I am pretty sure if Fujitora were Marine at that time he would be present in Marineford, otherwise why would WG leave such strong person outside the battle.

 

[bajram]

You are wrong.

From Grand Times:

四皇 - "偉大なる航路"後半の海にて、皇帝のごとき力を誇る海賊。頭は4人だが、その戦力は他の世界的勢力と並ぶ 。
Yonkou - Pirates that shows emperor-like power in the later half of the "Grandline." Even though there are only four of them, their power equals to the other world forces.

U dont take every word so literally, Yonko's of course that they individually are there at the top of the world but its stupid to think that their allies and their crew/soldiers arent taken into account when someone talks about their power and influence around the world, WB had a hell of a crew and allies, he had into his crew someone like Marco comparable to an admiral and even someone like Jozu who to an extend could put up a fight against an admiral too and than there are the other captains who most of them if not all are high tiers, and around 50 elite captains of NW strong enough to fight top VA's individually.

If Kaido was strong enough to invade Marineford individually than who cares about making an army full of DF users, I mean how stupid is to think that 4 yonkos individually = MHQ.

There are at least 1 top tier in each yonko crew, for example if someone like Luffy was a yonko u would just ignore the existence of someone as strong as Zoro? C'mon man Marco was mentioned in the same breath as the other yonkos strong enough to take BB down.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Jokes aside, I already posted what gave me that conclusion from an One Piece omake, plus Garp already said that these three powers rival each other.

Is it canon? If so, link?

And who's to say this doesn't include their fleets. It's foolish to think four people can stand up to thousands of the world's strongest fighters.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

U dont take every word so literally,

Don't you think they would't point out, even if there are just 4 of them, if they were talking about whole crews.

Some Shichibukai have their own crews, still their crews weren't summoned to fight in Marineford. Pretty same principe with Yonkos.

he had into his crew someone like Marco comparable to an admiral

One of the topics of this debate, is "Admirals are strong as Yonkos", if Marco is comparable to Admiral (with which I agree), than it means Admirals aren't really strong as Yonko, ofc it's not if you believe that Marco at that time was on Yonko level himself.

If Kaido was strong enough to invade Marineford individually than who cares about making an army full of DF users, I mean how stupid is to think that 4 yonkos individually = MHQ.

Four Yonkos don't work together. WB and Shanks, how are more or less good guys, haven't forget together.

C'mon man Marco was mentioned in the same breath as the other yonkos strong enough to take BB down.

Marco was actually said as possibility with other WB Pirates.

Plus, WB Pirates are largest crew and probably strongest Non Yonko crew at the moment. And even than, they were actually separed for other Yonkos in that statament.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Is it canon? If so, link?

Yes,

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are cannon.

It was never officialy translated in English, but here is translation of Three Great Powers Section:

四皇を止める力として、世界政府は海軍と王下七武海を従える。
The World Government has Marine and Shichibukai as forces to stop the Yonkou.

海軍 - 海上の治安を守る、世界政府機関のひとつ。敵は同じだが、王下七武海とは相容れない。
Marine - One of the World Government's organization that protects safety on the sea. Even though they have same enemy, they are not in friendly term with Shichibukai. (They don't work together.)

王下七武海 - 利益の一部を上納することで、世界政府から略奪を許されている。海賊への抑止力という意味もあり、その実力 も折り紙つきだ。
Shichibukai - By paying part of the profit, they are permitted to plunder by the World Government. This works as a restraint against the other pirates, and their ability is unquestioned.

四皇 - "偉大なる航路"後半の海にて、皇帝のごとき力を誇る海賊。頭は4人だが、その戦力は他の世界的勢力と並ぶ 。
Yonkou - Pirates that shows emperor-like power in the later half of the "Grandline." Even though there are only four of them, their power equals to the other world forces.

And who's to say this doesn't include their fleets. It's foolish to think four people can stand up to thousands of the world's strongest fighters.

Foolish is not good argument, especially when you are going against what is stated in manga and omake.

 

[KingHashirama]

Before Fujitora became an admiral he wasn't even a marine.......

O_O!!!! BRuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

he has no military background??

fuji was never a vice admiral he wasnt even in the war i believe he is another party it never stated he was VA before becoming admiral

so i stand by my statement dofflomingo is way stronger then any vice admiral bar garp

Not all marines were in the war bro.

Yes,

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are cannon.

It was never officialy translated in English, but here is translation of Three Great Powers Section:

四皇を止める力として、世界政府は海軍と王下七武海を従える。
The World Government has Marine and Shichibukai as forces to stop the Yonkou.

海軍 - 海上の治安を守る、世界政府機関のひとつ。敵は同じだが、王下七武海とは相容れない。
Marine - One of the World Government's organization that protects safety on the sea. Even though they have same enemy, they are not in friendly term with Shichibukai. (They don't work together.)

王下七武海 - 利益の一部を上納することで、世界政府から略奪を許されている。海賊への抑止力という意味もあり、その実力 も折り紙つきだ。
Shichibukai - By paying part of the profit, they are permitted to plunder by the World Government. This works as a restraint against the other pirates, and their ability is unquestioned.

四皇 - "偉大なる航路"後半の海にて、皇帝のごとき力を誇る海賊。頭は4人だが、その戦力は他の世界的勢力と並ぶ 。
Yonkou - Pirates that shows emperor-like power in the later half of the "Grandline." Even though there are only four of them, their power equals to the other world forces.



Foolish is not good argument, especially when you are going against what is stated in manga and omake.

"emperor like power".. Emperor like power is referring to influence and grand masses of Armies. Just look at the White beard army. If it was just 1 person, they would just send the Admirals to beat them individually... issue is they have armies under them. Hence why they are emperors.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Oda doesn't seems to agree with you.

what riker is trying to say

the marines is also with world gov whitebeard group got slaughtered

doffy barely did anything only cut orz leg and caught jozu

hancock was fighting for whitebeard

kuma only relaly did urse shock and off panel fought ivankov

moria did some things not much tho


etc..

the marines have suchibanki
thier admirals
the WG agents like all cypher pool agents and the goursei
thier retired (sengoku garp)
VA's
not to mention kong

they r the strongest tbh if u think about it any force by themselves would get slaughtered which is what happened to whitebeard... only person tht got injured really was akainu and even then his haki was enough to stop both marco and vista...

if yonkos want to **** up marine full force they need to band together cuz the full might is too strong