if A Transexual Dont Tell U They Transexual

[Pukkake Pokayo]

SO how does one know they're transgender if not told?

How do you know if you're hungry or you want to bang a woman? They're both primary instincts. You're aware of your own emotions and characteristics/personality too, right?

 

[slimreaper]

How do you know if you're hungry or you want to bang a woman? They're both primary instincts. You're aware of your own emotions and characteristics/personality too, right?

I'm aware I'm heterosexual. I'm not however aware of my gender. I personally don't know what a gender feels like. I know I look down and see my genitalia and that's what I am.


How can one feel a social construct?

 

[Punk Hazard]

I'm aware I'm heterosexual. I'm not however aware of my gender. I personally don't know what a gender feels like. I know I look down and see my genitalia and that's what I am.


How can one feel a social construct?

You don't feel a social construct, you feel a compulsion and comfort towards it based on your upbringing and your body.

For example, if a male feels more comfortable wearing pants than a dress, then the comfort he feels towards wearing pants is natural. The notion that, as a male he must wear pants, is a social construct.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

I'm aware I'm heterosexual. I'm not however aware of my gender. I personally don't know what a gender feels like. I know I look down and see my genitalia and that's what I am.


How can one feel a social construct?

How do you feel anything? You just do due to your past experiences/environment and innate urges. It's just an evaluation/decision like any other. Difficulty varies from person to person.

Do you feel more feminine than you do masculine? Do you have more in common with female traits than male? Would you rather do feminine things? Are you naturally inclined to think and act the way a female would? Clearly not or you would've questioned it. Therefore you are a heterosexual male.

This how people naturally feel/think. They then choose what to do with it. You just can't wrap your head around how they can just come out and proclaim that they're mentally female while physically male and vice versa. Understand?

 

[slimreaper]

You don't feel a social construct, you feel a compulsion and comfort towards it based on your upbringing and your body.

For example, if a male feels more comfortable wearing pants than a dress, then the comfort he feels towards wearing pants is natural. The notion that, as a male he must wear pants, is a social construct.

There is no genetic predisposition to a type of clothing. They're just contrarian. If they were born in a world where males wore skirts, they'd want to wear pants. I have no feeling towards what I wear. I go by what's socially acceptable. If it was socially normal for men to wear dresses i'd wear dresses. I have no personal preference towards clothing. It's all based on societal norms.

That said, transgender people"feel" they need to go against what society tells them and that's it.

Do you feel more feminine than you do masculine? Do you have more in common with female traits than male? Would you rather do feminine things? Are you naturally inclined to think and act the way a female would? Clearly not or you would've questioned it. Therefore you are a heterosexual male.

This how people naturally feel/think. You just can't wrap your head around how they can just come out and proclaim that they're mentally female while physically male and vice versa. Understand?

The hypocrisy in this argument is, we're constantly told that men and women are the same and that women taking different career paths is the fault of discrimination by men.

Yet here you make the argument that people's actions and preferences are based on differing brain settings.


If you can be born with the "wrong brain" That kills gender being a social construct


Hypocrisy detected

 

[Claymantan]

I have no feeling towards what I wear. I go by what's socially acceptable. If it was socially normal for men to wear dresses i'd wear dresses. I have no personal preference towards clothing. It's all based on societal norms.

That's nice, that's you

That said, transgender people"feel" they need to go against what society tells them and that's it.

You made this up tho for no reason and it's the basis for all your other opinions

 

[slimreaper]

That's nice, that's you



You made this up tho for no reason and it's the basis for all your other opinions

How can one's brain determine gender and you still believe gender is a social construct?

One has to be a lie

 

[Claymantan]

How can one's brain determine gender and you still believe gender is a social construct?

One has to be a lie

Brain determines predispositions

Did no one ever teach you nature vs nurture

Brain = genotype which predisposes you to certain behavior

Environment = social and physical features of your environment that make you tend to select one behavior over another

Nothing's totally one or totally the other

But your argument indicates that you really want it to be dichotomous af so you can so easily categorize people as being insane or sane based on whether they conform to A or B

Which is fallacious as hell based on most social science, social psychology, psychology, and biology

Like I said, biology itself doesn't even manifest as only A or B

 

[Punk Hazard]

How can one's brain determine gender and you still believe gender is a social construct?

One has to be a lie

One's brain identifies gender, and creates sensations that prompt whether or not a person will embrace them, which are based on both nature and nurture. Brain does not determine gender.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

The hypocrisy in this argument is, we're constantly told that men and women are the same and that women taking different career paths is the fault of discrimination by men.

Yet here you make the argument that people's actions and preferences are based on differing brain settings.


If you can be born with the "wrong brain" That kills gender being a social construct


Hypocrisy detected

Now I understand why people react to you the way they do.

How in the sweet sweaty Jesus did you get to talk about bold.

Men and women physically aren't the same. I don't know what country you live in but we have equality laws here. You can't discriminate based off of anything from height to *** to religion. Everyone has equal job opportunities.

Yes. Peoples actions and prefernces are clearly based off of the brain.

I didn't even talk about this "social construct" you keep waffling about?

"In the domain of social constructionist thought, a social construct is an idea or notion that appears to be natural and obvious to people who accept it but may or may not represent reality, so it remains largely an invention or artifice of a given society."

How does it kill it? Society is made up of a large group of brains...that means a collective conscience to deem what's reasonable (genders)and what's not.

What part is tripping you up?

 

[slimreaper]

Brain determines predispositions

Did no one ever teach you nature vs nurture

Brain = genotype which predisposes you to certain behavior

Environment = social and physical features of your environment that make you tend to select one behavior over another

Nothing's totally one or totally the other

But your argument indicates that you really want it to be dichotomous af so you can so easily categorize people as being insane or sane based on whether they conform to A or B

Which is fallacious as hell based on most social science, social psychology, psychology, and biology

Like I said, biology itself doesn't even manifest as only A or B

Nah. Based on the explanation of gender dysphoria

"Evidence suggests that people who identify with a gender different from the one they were assigned at birth, may do so not just due to psychological or behavioral causes, but also biological ones related to their genetics, the makeup of their brains, or prenatal exposure to hormones"


SO scientists believe it has something to do with biology.

That kills the idea that gender is just a social construct. If there was no gender, the brain would still want for these feelings according to the available descriptions of gender dysphoria.


BTw based on the definition of insane trans people are insane

 

[Claymantan]

"Evidence suggests that people who identify with a gender different from the one they were assigned at birth, may do so not just due to psychological or behavioral causes, but also biological ones related to their genetics, the makeup of their brains, or prenatal exposure to hormones"

SO scientists believe it has something to do with biology.

Lol the very definition you quote doesn't even say gender is only one thing or the other, that's just you essentializing to fit your world view.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

He's like a retarded parrot...

How many times can a person say:

"BTw based on the definition of insane trans people are insane."

&

"That kills the idea that gender is just a social construct."

 

[slimreaper]

all this is moot. keep hacking away at these lunatics... it isn't helping them

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This is why Johns Hopkins(the hospital that created the transition surgery) isn't preforming them anymore. They realize it doesn't help.

 

[Claymantan]

all this is moot. keep hacking away at these lunatics... it isn't helping them

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This is why Johns Hopkins(the hospital that created the transition surgery) isn't preforming them anymore. They realize it doesn't help.

Again, essentializing.

The reality is that gender reassignment surgery is still being studied, and is in no way viewed as intrinsically harmful by the APA (although they acknowledge that the quality of surgeries being performed varies, and is important). All they do is advocate for a combination of mental health care in addition to surgery.

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. Treatment itself is still being evaluated. But there's no consensus that says "Oh this is bad, stahp"

Additionally, did you even think to consider that higher mortality rates might be due to the fact that trans people post-surgery are treated discriminatorily post-surgery? Gender dysphoria isn't "cured" by surgery, it also has to do with interactions with individuals and access to institutions or health afterwards. The article you cited doesn't condemn surgeries, but rather illuminated the need for post-surgery care in *** reassignment cases.

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Both of these articles directly reference the article you cited as evidence that doesn't invalidate gender reassignment, but rather, seeks to improve how we position transgendered people in our societies afterwards.

Take easy answers if it makes you feel better.

 

[slimreaper]

Again, essentializing.

The reality is that gender reassignment surgery is still being studied, and is in no way viewed as intrinsically harmful by the APA (although they acknowledge that the quality of surgeries being performed varies, and is important). All they do is advocate for a combination of mental health care in addition to surgery.

You must be registered for see links

. Treatment itself is still being evaluated. But there's no consensus that says "Oh this is bad, stahp"

Additionally, did you even think to consider that higher mortality rates might be due to the fact that trans people post-surgery are treated discriminatorily post-surgery? Gender dysphoria isn't "cured" by surgery, it also has to do with interactions with individuals and access to institutions or health afterwards. The article you cited doesn't condemn surgeries, but rather illuminated the need for post-surgery care in *** reassignment cases.

You must be registered for see links

Both of these articles directly reference the article you cited as evidence that doesn't invalidate gender reassignment, but rather, seeks to improve how we position transgendered people in our societies afterwards.

Take easy answers if it makes you feel better.

You'll never force people to accept a lie. Based on that the numbers will stay up.


Biology makes it false. The same can be said about homosexuality. I'm not religious at all, but I can see same *** genitals don't fit together for a reason, It's a lie.

 

[Legendary Saiyan]

How do you know if you're hungry or you want to bang a woman? They're both primary instincts. You're aware of your own emotions and characteristics/personality too, right?

dat sig. Hopsin really went in.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

dat sig. Hopsin really went in.

Yes he did. Whoever did that beat deserves a nobel prize too. Dancing was kind of amazing too XD

 

[Legendary Saiyan]

Yes he did. Whoever did that beat deserves a nobel prize too. Dancing was kind of amazing too XD

got the courtroom dabbin on em

 

[Claymantan]

You'll never force people to accept a lie. Based on that the numbers will stay up.

Biology makes it false. The same can be said about homosexuality. I'm not religious at all, but I can see same *** genitals don't fit together for a reason, It's a lie.

Johns Hopkins stopped performing those surgeries in 1979. Research today - the APA itself - doesn't give af and does not condemn *** reassignment surgeries. Paul McHugh is a minority in the clinical psychiatry field (by his own admission, because apparently clinical psychiatrists are "scared" to agree with him ), and has always been a conservative, even working for the Bush administration back in the 00's. I don't really care what he thinks in light of like, the vast majority of clinical psychiatrists.

So much for numbers.