[Discussion] Ichigo is the strongest.

[Forbidden Tale]

1. You know all zanpakutos are part of their users but still all of them need to fight with them in order to achive bankai.

2. Yes he used blut vene, he can give him some power (but not full), just like Kurama can do.

3. Not really sure what you want to say with your question? I think Quincy or Ryuuken can train him, or maybe even Old Man Zangetsu. If you are thinking when is Ichigo going to train, after he lose this battle in RR.

4. He didn't learn it from Zangetsu, he learned it from Old Man Zangetsu/Yhwach. Which is confusing and still unclear how he done that.

 

[Shanks]

1. You know all zanpakutos are part of their users but still all of them need to fight with them in order to achive bankai.

2. Yes he used blut vene, he can give him some power (but not full), just like Kurama can do.

3. Not really sure what you want to say with your question? I think Quincy or Ryuuken can train him, or maybe even Old Man Zangetsu. If you are thinking when is Ichigo going to train, after he lose this battle in RR.

4. He didn't learn it from Zangetsu, he learned it from Old Man Zangetsu/Yhwach. Which is confusing and still unclear how he done that.

Remember when was losing control to his Hallow Powers Yourichi told him to train his Zanpaktou before he faces Byakuya . Fake zangetsu taught him to control his powers .

 

[bashkim]

1. You know all zanpakutos are part of their users but still all of them need to fight with them in order to achive bankai.

2. Yes he used blut vene, he can give him some power (but not full), just like Kurama can do.

3. Not really sure what you want to say with your question? I think Quincy or Ryuuken can train him, or maybe even Old Man Zangetsu. If you are thinking when is Ichigo going to train, after he lose this battle in RR.

4. He didn't learn it from Zangetsu, he learned it from Old Man Zangetsu/Yhwach. Which is confusing and still unclear how he done that.

Remember than than fake Zangestu disappears. Ichigo said he will never asked him again to lend him its power. Or that Hollow Ichigo to get out his way.

Ichigo just got his true Zanpakto and he the 0 division trained him. Maybe the told him how to use his Quincy power as well.

Yeah Kurama lend Naruto his power, but those guys are Ichigos itself.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Wasn't your point that Ichigo don't need to train for Quincies powers, since OMZ will lend him powers.

How can they told him how to use hollows powers when they are not Quincies? Ichigo was always trained by that race in which he gained control over powers. When he trained for his shikai - he was teched by Urahara (Shinigami). When he trained to be Visored - he was teached by Shinji and co (Visoreds). When he trained for fullbring he was teached by Kugo and co (Visoreds). When he again trained for shinigami self he trained with RG (Shinigamis). In order for him to master his Quincie powers he will need to find some Quincy.

 

[Shanks]

Wasn't your point that Ichigo don't need to train for Quincies powers, since OMZ will lend him powers.

How can they told him how to use hollows powers when they are not Quincies? Ichigo was always trained by that race in which he gained control over powers. When he trained for his shikai - he was teched by Urahara (Shinigami). When he trained to be Visored - he was teached by Shinji and co (Visoreds). When he trained for fullbring he was teached by Kugo and co (Visoreds). When he again trained for shinigami self he trained with RG (Shinigamis). In order for him to master his Quincie powers he will need to find some Quincy.

No he was nearly all the time used quincy Powers in all the battles . This time he will fight with Hallow+ Shingami Powers which is his Original Zanpaktou . He is Isshin's Son in the End not a quincy.

 

[bashkim]

Wasn't your point that Ichigo don't need to train for Quincies powers, since OMZ will lend him powers.

How can they told him how to use hollows powers when they are not Quincies? Ichigo was always trained by that race in which he gained control over powers. When he trained for his shikai - he was teched by Urahara (Shinigami). When he trained to be Visored - he was teached by Shinji and co (Visoreds). When he trained for fullbring he was teached by Kugo and co (Visoreds). When he again trained for shinigami self he trained with RG (Shinigamis). In order for him to master his Quincie powers he will need to find some Quincy.

According to your logic he needs a Quincy to train him, but the problem is only Ishida´ dad could train him. The other Quincy with Bach are evil.

 

[bashkim]

No he was nearly all the time used quincy Powers in all the battles . This time he will fight with Hallow+ Shingami Powers which is his Original Zanpaktou . He is Isshin's Son in the End not a quincy.

Ichigo used Blood vein. And you know that only pure blood Qunicy can use it. They must have it from the start, because this skill is something, that you can not gain through training.

 

[bashkim]

He will use his hollow and shinigami power. The fake Zangestu can just lend him his power.

 

[Shanks]

According to your logic he needs a Quincy to train him, but the problem is only Ishida´ dad could train him. The other Quincy with Bach are evil.

No he has no time to train . He will not be Quincy he rejected the quincy blood . Did you read Asauchi Part what Oetsu Said ? Ichigo has to confirm what he truly wants to be . He wanted to be Shingami not a quincy . Fake Zangetsu Disappeared he got his Asauchi back .

 

[Shanks]

Ichigo used Blood vein. And you know that only pure blood Qunicy can use it. They must have it from the start, because this skill is something, that you can not gain through training.

Same Point what Oetsu Said where does his true nature lies Quincy or Shingami . That Asauchi training was enough to know he was true Shingami and i doubt Ryuuken will ichigo lesson in war period .

 

[bashkim]

No he has no time to train . He will not be Quincy he rejected the quincy blood . Did you read Asauchi Part what Oetsu Said ? Ichigo has to confirm what he truly wants to be . He wanted to be Shingami not a quincy . Fake Zangetsu Disappeared he got his Asauchi back .

I am sorry but chapter 542 : Ichigo recognise the fake Zangestu and Hollow Ichigo bothe as Zangestu. This is the reason why he has to swords.
His Qunicy powers are still there, because he recognise what he truly is.

 

[Shanks]

I am sorry but chapter 542 : Ichigo recognise the fake Zangestu and Hollow Ichigo bothe as Zangestu. This is the reason why he has to swords.
His Qunicy powers are still there, because he recognise what he truly is.

Let us see what will happen . I agree with that Point i remember now he has two swords.

 

[Apêx1]

Ichigo will be the only one capable of stopping a fully powered Bach.

 

[bashkim]

Let us see what will happen . I agree with that Point i remember now he has two swords.

Yeah we will see what happened. But I think Ichigo will kick Bach ass. I think you agree with me in this context.

 

[bashkim]

Ichigo will be the only one capable of stopping a fully powered Bach.

You are absolutely right.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

No he was nearly all the time used quincy Powers in all the battles . This time he will fight with Hallow+ Shingami Powers which is his Original Zanpaktou . He is Isshin's Son in the End not a quincy.

That's not really true. He has SHinigami robe, zanpakuto, Shinigami sandals, he said bankai when he done that and so on....

Actually he is more Quincy than Shinigami. As long as we know, Shinigami is just profession, but Quincy is race. His mother was Quincy and his Father was human (yes, at that time he got Ichigo, he was only human, because he already entered that special made gigai by Urahara and become Human).. Shinigami is profession and not race and every strong soul can become one. Ichigo become one when Rukia gave him his powers.

Ichigo is Gemischt Quincy. His mother was Quincy and his father was Human. You are not born with shinigami powers you learn them.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Ichigo used Blood vein. And you know that only pure blood Qunicy can use it. They must have it from the start, because this skill is something, that you can not gain through training.

Exactly, Ishida Ryuuken, or some SR Quincy. We don't know are all Quncies really evil. I can pretty much see Askin, changing postition and taking care of Ichigo.

Ichigo will be the only one capable of stopping a fully powered Bach.

As long as I read manga, I never saw main character defeating or being capable of stopping full powered main antagonist.

In Dragon Ball, Goku needed help from Vegeta and from whole Earth to defeat Buu.
In Naruto, Naruto needed help from Sasuke to defeat Kaguya.
In Green Blood, both brothers needed to combine their strength to defeat Edward.
In Shaman King, Yoh needed help from whole world and all dead spirits in order to stop Hao.

 

[ShidoZ]

Exactly, Ishida Ryuuken, or some SR Quincy. We don't know are all Quncies really evil. I can pretty much see Askin, changing postition and taking care of Ichigo.



As long as I read manga, I never saw main character defeating or being capable of stopping full powered main antagonist.

In Dragon Ball, Goku needed help from Vegeta and from whole Earth to defeat Buu.
In Naruto, Naruto needed help from Sasuke to defeat Kaguya.
In Green Blood, both brothers needed to combine their strength to defeat Edward.
In Shaman King, Yoh needed help from whole world and all dead spirits in order to stop Hao.

Well ichigo raped Aizen alone, ok Urahara did the last shit, but still... Aizen is immortal
Anyway Bleach is the closest to that, cuz Tite likes 1 vs 1 fights, especially when it comes to Ichigo

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Well ichigo raped Aizen alone, ok Urahara did the last shit, but still... Aizen is immortal
Anyway Bleach is the closest to that, cuz Tite likes 1 vs 1 fights, especially when it comes to Ichigo

I compared final villains, and Aizen at that time was not last villain. Buu, Hao, Kaguya were final villains and Yhwach probablu be as well.

 

[Zeta42]

Kirinji noted that Ichigo was as fast as him before the RG training even began. Pretty sure he'll surpass them all soon enough, if he hopes to defeat Yhwach.