Ichibē hyōsube vs Kaguya Ōtsutsuki

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Which version of Naruto are we talking about here?

Any version. Can't he just imagine that Naruto gets lost in space?

 

[LuckyMan]

Is this dude really arguing Narutoverse characters are stronger than Bleachverse? Really? When even low dudes in bleach can attack 500x the speed of sound? Really Nicca?????

Do you even read/watch bleach? Niccas swing they sword and cut mountains from the force, not megazord construct like PS.... regular shinigami... like.... dudes with their own physical body.

Smh

 

[Kagustuchi]

Is this dude really arguing Narutoverse characters are stronger than Bleachverse? Really? When even low dudes in bleach can attack 500x the speed of sound? Really Nicca?????

Do you even read/watch bleach? Niccas swing they sword and cut mountains from the force, not megazord construct like PS.... regular shinigami... like.... dudes with their own physical body.

Smh

They don't attack 500 times the speed of sound (Mach 500). I haven't seen any War calcs a but last time I checked they were only in the Mach 20-30 range or so. VOTE Madz/Hashi were around Mach 120 and BM Naruto's faster than that and can react to the Juubi's Bijudama (ungodly fast)

The strongest character in Bleach (FGT Ichigo) is the only one that can wreck mountains with just at word swing. Uliqourra was town level, most Bleach characters are Multi-City Block+ or weaker. FGT Ichigo is the only one with a feat that's exceeded Town Level (and that's an if, that's just a guess based on scaling)

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Although pretty much anyone under KCM Naruto and EMS Sasuke start losing pretty bad to stronger Bleach characters.

 

[-Akuma-]

If you're getting Mach 500 from Gin's statement he said he lied about his zanpaktou's speed.

 

[LuckyMan]

They don't attack 500 times the speed of sound (Mach 500). I haven't seen any War calcs a but last time I checked they were only in the Mach 20-30 range or so. VOTE Madz/Hashi were around Mach 120 and BM Naruto's faster than that and can react to the Juubi's Bijudama (ungodly fast)

No. VOTE Hashi/Madz are not even close to mach 120.... :|

Although pretty much anyone under KCM Naruto and EMS Sasuke start losing pretty bad to stronger Bleach characters.

No. Everyone still loses.

As for the bold, I took the time to go back and find these panels just for:

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Gins sword extends and contracts at mach 500. No one in the NV can move or even react to that level of speed. No one is tanking the attack, its destructive force wiped out a city, a city way way bigger than one of the 5 great villages. Gin comfortably solos the NV. Whats funny is that Gin is only a junior captain (so many captains stronger than him) and even base Ichigo could react to this and hes slower in base than many, many other characters so the bleach verse is way, way above the NV bro. They stand no chance. Zero. No contest.

If you're getting Mach 500 from Gin's statement he said he lied about his zanpaktou's speed.

Even if he did lie about specific speed the fact is that its so fast that Ichigo didn't even see it retract. He never took his eyes off the sword, yet he didn't see it. Remember this is the dude who can keep track of people that can shunpo off several KM then come back in like 2 seconds. Still faster than anything in NV and no one is reacting to it.

 

[DMT]

Assuming that the hand can push the Kurama avatar away, which is far stronger than Bach physically. Unless you think that Ichibei can push SSJ Vegito away with that hand since your using NLF.

Senri Tsutensho can push anything 400km away, it doesn't matter how durable you are, there's no exception, the giant hand itself is as big as kyuubi , yhwach needed to shot himself with an arrow to come back, why you brings ssj vegito into this ? i

ichibē can spam this technique though
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SM Naruto scaled Shinju in a matter of seconds, and his upper forms are far faster than that. Not to mention that Madara and Hashirama had triple digit Mach calcs. Then there's the fact his KCM form has similar reactions to KCM Minato, who reacted to the Juubi's Bijudama which crosses Countries in seconds.

I don't want to get into speed debates, but as far as I know , crossing 400km in seconds is mach 12,000 ?

His Bankai really won't do much good when Naruto has the much stronger offensive game with energy projection. He definately isn't surviving Bijudama either, nor can he counter it. Much less, Continuous or Flash.

you actually have no idea what Ichimonji can do , it can use the ink to erase the opponent name , no name = no power , if he managed to erase Naruto's name, by covering him in the black, naruto is ****ed


Ichibe dodged multiple sankt bogen arrows with ease, he blitzed yhwach and sent him flying 100 ri away, then appeared behind him and pushed him again the same distance, bijuu dama is not different

 

[TRE MERCER]

Ichibei fighting style is for his verse he doesn't fair well against other non bleach characters.

Kagustuchi stop. All Naruto chars have over bleach is DZ which is useless when Bleach characters have haxxed abilities. Ywhach ability allows him to see the future and anything that is seen in the future loses it's meaning. Bijuudama's are all negated just like Ichibei abilites were once Ywach gets a glimpse of Naruto this happens.(

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). Not to mention he has Yamamoto's bankai and all of the dead sternritters powers come back to him. Ywach could beat anyone in NV.

Bankai Yamamoto shits on the likes of BM Naruto hell he even beats RM Naruto. His flames our as hot a the temp of the sun. Bijuudama BDFRS all gets turned into ash before they can get off. Naruto would fry once Yamamoto uses this .(

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). Not to mention he had to reduce his heat just so the SS wouldn't get turned into ash so unrestricted Yamamoto ruines him.

Didn't mean to dislike your post DMT. Also erasing Naruto name won't do a thing unlike bleach you don't have to know the name of your powers to use them.​

 

[RustledJimmies]

No. VOTE Hashi/Madz are not even close to mach 120.... :|

Idk if the calc is legit, but...

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[DMT]

erasing Naruto name won't do a thing unlike bleach you don't have to know the name of your powers to use them.​

Ichibē's hax worked even on Yhwach himself , I don't know why it wouldn't work on BM Naruto


once he lose his name , he would be unable to move

 

[Xlad]

I am confused as **** as to how debating Bleach vs Naruto works.

 

[TRE MERCER]

I am confused as **** as to how debating Bleach vs Naruto works.

It doesn't since Naruto characters wouldn't even be able to see Ichibei. Let alone get close to him his spiritual pressure would paste them.

 

[LuckyMan]

Idk if the calc is legit, but...

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No. I don't need to read anything or any calculation to know Hashi and Madz moving at mach 120 is nothing but idiocy. Actually, his comment is probably the most egregious and preposterous statement I've ever seen on these forums from someone that was serious.

Mach 120 = 40,834 meters per second

Might as well start fights off at 20,000 meters away and say Hashi or Madz blitzes GG. But wait, what about people faster than them? Minato, A, BM Naruto, Gai, and Jubito? I don't know where he got that from. If I had week I still probably couldn't list all the ways its wrong.

It doesn't since Naruto characters wouldn't even be able to see Ichibei. Let alone get close to him his spiritual pressure would paste them.

This nicca finally said something right.

 

[Omar19992010]

No. I don't need to read anything or any calculation to know Hashi and Madz moving at mach 120 is nothing but idiocy. Actually, his comment is probably the most egregious and preposterous statement I've ever seen on these forums from someone that was serious.

Mach 120 = 40,834 meters per second

Might as well start fights off at 20,000 meters away and say Hashi or Madz blitzes GG. But wait, what about people faster than them? Minato, A, BM Naruto, Gai, and Jubito? I don't know where he got that from. If I had week I still probably couldn't list all the ways its wrong.



This nicca finally said something right.

It's not them that move that fast it's there attacks. Madara's TBB traveled across an Ocean all the way to the other shore in a couple seconds.

 

[LuckyMan]

It's not them that move that fast it's there attacks. Madara's TBB traveled across an Ocean all the way to the other shore in a couple seconds.

If the TBB was that fast then Hashirama would have never been able to escape. Remember it went through 5 Rashomon gates before it even got to the ocean so by your logic that would mean it was going much faster than mach 120 (40,800 meters per second) to begin with.

 

[Seventh Sama]

I thought cross universe battles were against the rules.

 

[Amaterasu]

BV >>>>> NV ? Why ? Because humans can't see Shinigamis. NV God tiers could sense them maybe but well Lol.

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[RustledJimmies]

It's not them that move that fast it's there attacks. Madara's TBB traveled across an Ocean all the way to the other shore in a couple seconds.

Not just the attacks, a lot of characters get the scaling as well, for reactions, and some of them even footspeed. But it's useless, Invisible Man clearly admitted that he doesn't want to know if he is right or wrong just because he believes that it's ridiculous that Naruto characters would move at that speed. No point in arguing with ignorant people.

BV >>>>> NV ? Why ? Because humans can't see Shinigamis. NV God tiers could sense them maybe but well Lol.

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Energy equivalence says hi.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Kaguya utterly craps on Ichibe. Not debatable. Bleach fanboys really need to keep themselves in check if they think that a dimension destroyer and creator would loose to Ichibe.

Ichibe's power is very conditional. He requires to hit someone to half their power, but those that can take power (which Kaguya can by absorbing natural energy or recovering chakra), makes it useless, if she were to even be hit by it, which is doubtful.


Then there's the renaming. That requires Kaguya to be covered by the ink. Again, hardly like she'll get hit with something like that.


Last, is the control over black. It might be a hindrance over her expansive TBBs at first, but when they attack, they turn white, so, yeah, when she attacks, there's nothing black to control.


Of course, some Bleach fanboys are going to use the extremely dumb argument that "Naruto characters can't see Bleach characters" despite the fact that Naruto characters do, in fact, have the ability to see souls. Chakra is spiritual in nature, so they can see them, and Rikkudo senjutsu can even sense things from other dimensions entirely (Limbo).

 

[Heisenberg Wannabe]

Discussing crossover matchups, always ends up as which manga is better.

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[DMT]

Kaguya utterly craps on Ichibe. Not debatable. Bleach fanboys really need to keep themselves in check if they think that a dimension destroyer and creator would loose to Ichibe.

Ichibe's power is very conditional. He requires to hit someone to half their power, but those that can take power (which Kaguya can by absorbing natural energy or recovering chakra), makes it useless, if she were to even be hit by it, which is doubtful.


Then there's the renaming. That requires Kaguya to be covered by the ink. Again, hardly like she'll get hit with something like that.


Last, is the control over black. It might be a hindrance over her expansive TBBs at first, but when they attack, they turn white, so, yeah, when she attacks, there's nothing black to control.


Of course, some Bleach fanboys are going to use the extremely dumb argument that "Naruto characters can't see Bleach characters" despite the fact that Naruto characters do, in fact, have the ability to see souls. Chakra is spiritual in nature, so they can see them, and Rikkudo senjutsu can even sense things from other dimensions entirely (Limbo).

you do realize ichibe doesn't have to use ink on her, he already has the black on kaguya's clothes , he can manipulate the black in the clothes, animals, and even the hair, in different dimensions and time , even if kaguya escaped to other dimensions , Ichibe can still control anything black , and then use it to seal kaguya's power , like what he did to yhwach ..