I think its pretty clear that BSM Naruto is equal to Sasuke at this point.

[GiantShuriken]

That's how they are portrayed, whether they are exactly equal or not is up in question.

Cursed seal = Sage Mode
MS = KM
EMS = BM
CM Susano = BSM

They're not exactly completely equal, but those are the respective tech tiers. But I know this is a moron fanboy site so we're gonna have idiots saying otherwise.

 

[KCMNaruto]

That's how they are portrayed, whether they are exactly equal or not is up in question.

Cursed seal = Sage Mode
MS = KM
EMS = BM
CM Susano = BSM

They're not exactly completely equal, but those are the respective tech tiers. But I know this is a moron fanboy site so we're gonna have idiots saying otherwise.

Well you may be wrong or right... depending what form of Sasuke's Sussano you meant.

Cursed seal= Sage mode
MS= Nine tails chakra mode
EMS(with Final Sussano v4 included)= BM
CM Final Sussano v4(not used by Sasuke yet)= BSM

If this what you meant then YOU ARE RIGHT

else, I disagree

 

[Rike Senju]

Will people forget kurama's shroud is aiding sasuke's chakra supply and strength?

 

[shelke]

I agree. That is all there is to it. *Insert cool smiley here*

Currently both have included Nature into their arsenal. That is another equalizer.

 

[KisuneUchiha]

From feats I would say that BSM Naruto is still stronger currently, Sasuke cut a large branch but Naruto battled five TBB with BM.

Remember that "large branch" can drain a person's chakra in an instant

 

[GiantShuriken]

Well you may be wrong or right... depending what form of Sasuke's Sussano you meant.

Cursed seal= Sage mode
MS= Nine tails chakra mode
EMS(with Final Sussano v4 included)= BM
CM Final Sussano v4(not used by Sasuke yet)= BSM

If this what you meant then YOU ARE RIGHT

else, I disagree

I agree completely with that.

 

[Helikido]

People on the base are really stupid now a days. No one has proper arguments for anything at all.

You all forgot that sasukes can one shot bm and bsm naruto right? How? Force naruto to go into bijuu mode, then one shot him with amaturasu. Amaturasu >>>>> any bijuu. If you believe naruto can just dodge amaturasu in kyuubi mode get out of my thread. I dont want to have a discussion with illogical people.

Amaturasu burns chakra itself, there's no counter against it.

 

[xxSAGExx]

you have no proof SM makes his actual chakra more durable. also his chakra has nothing to resist the cut of the sword. It has no bones or structure like susanoo. the reason it tanked the bijudama is because it wasn't a piercing attack. Can you pierce a mattress better with a hammer or a sword?

In terms of power KM was stronger than EMS until the new Susanoo was displayed but now it would take BM to beat Sasuke. KM might be strong enough only if his mini bijuudama is strong enough to break Susanoo, just big enough to make the right amount of room. If not then BM will have to do. I don't see Sasuke cutting thru the tbb, you can't use what Madara did with the tbb as proof. BM shown to use stronger tbb than full Kurama and 5 bijuu's combined. BM Charged his tbb which adds more power, full Kurama didn't do that because there was no need, Hashirama was coming right at them so a rapid fire ttb would be enough. Also Madara was working with Kurama so he could have made the tbb use low enough power to be stabbed with his blades.

If Sasuke hits a tbb then it would explode on Sasuke. Naruto works with Kurama so can attack Sasuke from below with his tails and grab him like Kurama did with his hands to attack Oro. Shadow clones of KM to distract Sasuke and even break Susanoo or knock Sasuke down with his chou rasenshuriken. The leg Susanoo isn't that protective, A punch was able to break Madara with a tag-team of Oonoki's earth glove and Tsunade did the same with her strength.

SM increases all aspects of the person (strength, speed, recovery rate, endurances, agility, stamina/chakra, powers up jutsus and gives sensory ability). Yang Kurama chakra would have to be balanced evenly with the same amount of natural energy with would give him the same amount as full Kurama but he would be stronger due to SM enhancement effects. Only thing is, Kurama was nowhere near full power, he was trying to gather chakra then asked Yin Kurama for chakra which is what Naruto was using when Naruto and Minato were bumping fist, when he first went BSM and then he got more chakra from Yin Kurama in the latest chapter to go BSM again. So we have not seen Naruto use BSM at full power so you just compared Sasuke current power to a Naruto is isn't even at full power.

Naruto still was fighting for 2-3 days straight which is a strain mentally and physically as we seen when Naruto was giving up hope 2x so far and how the other shinobi's were also giving up hope. This is a fresh Sasuke. To add, Both are still getting use to their power and Naruto is just more use to his due to going straight from the intense training into war.

 

[Crossroads]

Well you may be wrong or right... depending what form of Sasuke's Sussano you meant.

Cursed seal= Sage mode
MS= Nine tails chakra mode
EMS(with Final Sussano v4 included)= BM
CM Final Sussano v4(not used by Sasuke yet)= BSM

If this what you meant then YOU ARE RIGHT

else, I disagree

I agree with everything but the KCM - MS Sasuke comparison.

I don't see how Sasuke can keep up with 20 different KCM clones, all capable of using FRS.

 

[xxSAGExx]

there is no way killer bee makes it through that. susanoo looks tiny compared to it and sasuke is a spec compared to susanoo. On a branch that size killer bee might make it a foot. he is just too tiny to really do anything

Actually Bee can simply go version 2 mode and use tbb to blast the root apart. Sasuke power was increased by the Yin-Yang Kurama chakra that Naruto gave him so it wasn't only Sasuke power. Kakashi said his Kamui's power was increased 3x as much then after Naruto gave everyone chakra, Kakashi said it was even stronger so 4x-6x as strong maybe. Then Naruto made the chakra even stronger when he when he combined Yin and yang Kurama's chakra so 7x-10x the power so Sasuke is using that power.

Well you may be wrong or right... depending what form of Sasuke's Sussano you meant.

Cursed seal= Sage mode
MS= Nine tails chakra mode
EMS(with Final Sussano v4 included)= BM
CM Final Sussano v4(not used by Sasuke yet)= BSM

If this what you meant then YOU ARE RIGHT

else, I disagree

Wrong, Zetsu said SM Naruto was stronger than MS Sasuke, note Naruto wasn't using prefect SM (fused with Ma and Pa toad) and Sasuke didn't fully master his MS (didn't have Susanoo) so if they both were at their best then they'll be on even footing so Curse Sasuke is current Base Naruto now or initial kurama chakra. KM chakra arms can pull Sasuke from Susanoo from underneath it then clones and kill him with Rasenshuriken/Oodama rasengan/ mini rasenshuriken to the face or to the heart/ planet rasengan that he used on Muu/ double rasengan/ or use his pure strength to crush Sasuke (the same strength he used when he crushed the boulder just trying to hold it. He had to train to not crush things) then moment Sasuke is pulled out.

People on the base are really stupid now a days. No one has proper arguments for anything at all.

You all forgot that sasukes can one shot bm and bsm naruto right? How? Force naruto to go into bijuu mode, then one shot him with amaturasu. Amaturasu >>>>> any bijuu. If you believe naruto can just dodge amaturasu in kyuubi mode get out of my thread. I dont want to have a discussion with illogical people.

Amaturasu burns chakra itself, there's no counter against it.

Amaterasu burned A's hand slowly, it didn't even spread so even if Naruto is hit, he can leave the BM from a part that isn't on fire. Also Amaterasu isn't that fast, Sasuke on foot was able to run from amaterasu. BM is bigger so covers more distance so Naruto can dodge it, you're talking about if Naruto was right there in his face but Naruto has knowledge about Amaterasu and has the fox to aid him in strategies. How would Sasuke "force" Naruto to go full BM? Naruto will have clones in KM or BM that would be attacking Sasuke from different sides as well. If Sasuke use Amaterasu, Naruto can shoot a rapid tbb to stop enton/amaterasu and if Naruto charges his tbb then it's going thru enton and destroying susanoo.

I agree with everything but the KCM - MS Sasuke comparison.

I don't see how Sasuke can keep up with 20 different KCM clones, all capable of using FRS.

Zetsu compared SM and MS so don't worry they were wrong on that account.

 

[Minator93]

KCM Naruto can 1-shot Current Sasuke U_U

 

[Steinbiz]

Kcm is fodder to the current ems sasuke....

no. absolutely not. lol.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Cursed seal= Sage mode
MS= Nine tails chakra mode
EMS(with Final Sussano v4 included)= BM
CM Final Sussano v4(not used by Sasuke yet)= BSM

I agree completely with that.

Thank you very much I am glad we agree

I agree with everything but the KCM - MS Sasuke comparison.

I don't see how Sasuke can keep up with 20 different KCM clones, all capable of using FRS.

Well this is true... but by MS Sasuke I meant MS Sasuke at full power(Incomplete Sussano v3 with possibility of comming into Final Sussano v4.)

That Sasuke could do that becuase he would begin with fresh and full healthy eyes... so he could last longer as he wouldn't have to develop his Sussano but having mastered it from get go.

However If you have problem with that... then I see another possible comparisions between Sasuke and Naruto:

Cursed seal level 2= Sage mode
EMS(With Incomplete Sussano v3.(with no leggs just same Sussano as against Danzo))= Nine tails chakra mode
EMS(with Final Sussano v4 included)= BM
CM Final Sussano v4(not used by Sasuke yet)= BSM

The only difference between EMS Sasuke(limited to Incomplete Sussano v3.) and MS Sasuke could be that EMS Sasuke doesn't have bad side effects from using Mangenkyou techniques and his eyesight is not affected..., but they are both at the same level.

Wrong, Zetsu said SM Naruto was stronger than MS Sasuke, note Naruto wasn't using prefect SM (fused with Ma and Pa toad) and Sasuke didn't fully master his MS (didn't have Susanoo) so if they both were at their best then they'll be on even footing so Curse Sasuke is current Base Naruto now or initial kurama chakra. KM chakra arms can pull Sasuke from Susanoo from underneath it then clones and kill him with Rasenshuriken/Oodama rasengan/ mini rasenshuriken to the face or to the heart/ planet rasengan that he used on Muu/ double rasengan/ or use his pure strength to crush Sasuke (the same strength he used when he crushed the boulder just trying to hold it. He had to train to not crush things) then moment Sasuke is pulled out.

Zetsu compared SM and MS so don't worry they were wrong on that account.

Zetsu was only comparing MS Sasuke , who used just Amaterasu against Killer Bee and MS genjutsu(weaker version of Tsukiyomi) to Sage mode Naruto, that all. That Sasuke wasn't even shown using Sussano....

Anyway Naruto was in Sage mode when he was in his way to help Kakashi(and stop from Killing Sasuke), and he could sense Sasuke's power then so that why he said that he couldn't beat current Sasuke and he needs Kurama powers to do that.

Naruto wasn't talking about blind MS Sasuke of course, also not about ribcage v1 or full skeleton v2 Sussano. He could reffer to Incomplete Sussano v3(against Danzo) or even for short time unleashed by Sasuke Final(Complete) Sussano v4. I am more convinced that Naruto was talking about Incomplete Sussano v3. but maybe it was Final Sussano(doubt as it was only unleashed for split of seconds).

However I agree that Curse seal could be more likely compared to Current Base Naruto or even to Initial Nine tails mode.

However Zetsu's statement isn't accurate as MS Sasuke used and developed his Sussano after Zetsu's statement.

 

[Oblivionx]

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hahaha! can't disagree....!

 

[jiraiya lives]

Kcm is fodder to the current ems sasuke....

Lol I hope you're joking

 

[Darkmickey00]

You guys should know that Naruto in BM basically went up against 5 bijuus at once and countered a combined bijuu dama from 5 bijuus plus Hachibi noted that Naruto/Kurama's BIjuu dama was almost equal in power to the combined attack and they displayed they can shoot it multiple times if they want. Plus in BM Naruto has the ability the spam clones if he wants too but its basically clear that kishi doesn't want him to abuse this until the very end as a last resort. BSM Naruto is just completely rape machine to Sasuke.
SM is a multiplier for the user's stats. So if SM boosted base Naruto to handle completely a Rinnegan user whcih is more powerful than an EMS user, then imagine just how Strong SM makes BM. His chakra arms basically have nature energy now plus all of his jutsus are senjutsu enhanced and are much more powerful than before. And SM also multiplies and enhances the user's reserves of chakra by 10x or more. His sensing abilities are just too much and will easily anticipate any movements Sasuke uses plus his speed is just too much for Sasuke unless Kishi decides to make Sasuke keep up with Naruto's movements. BSM= Shadow clone + Rasengan spam + BIjuu dama spam + chakra arms enhanced with senjutsu + best sensor abilities in the series??? I don't think so.......

 

[xxSAGExx]

Basically the title. I mean come on, the last mange even hinted that. Sasukes susanoo is the same size is BM naruto. Also, both are pretty equal in power as we can see with their attack togethere.

You don't need unlimited chakra and blitz speed to equal naruto...

BM>PS by feat and what Madara say about PS power also shows Naruto's power is greater.

Size doesn't matter and Naruto is fully powered right now.
Sasuke isn't.
Sasuke still has complete susanoo.
Naruto has...what he will have until he gets the other half and then sasuke will get perfect susanoo.

Then Naruto will use BSM with both halves.
Then sasuke will use perfect susanoo with senjutsu.

Equal again and again.

Naruto is no fully powered, he never was at full power in the war, he's been fighting 2-3 days while Sasuke hasn't. He's alos new to his power just like Sasuke except he shown to have far greater power in BM. Sasuke still needs to catch up power wise.

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killer bee might get a foot into that branch.

Wrong, You said it yourself, Kurama's chakra increased Susanoo's power and according to the numbers, it increased it by 7x-10x the power.

 

[Uchicha Macho]

i cannot believe people comparing Naruto to Sasuke.Sasuke already stated to naruto that he just started ,he have not shown his perfect susano fully

 

[Multiply]

Naruto is still > Sasuke...

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Naruto isn't the one that has catching up to do, it's Sasuke.

Jimmies will be rustled

 

[Oblivionx]

in theory naruto stomps sasuke but in manga they seem pretty much equals...!