I think I know who Senju Hashirama's Sensei was!

[spade3dg]

Fail thread. The sensie stuff didn't happen until after the village was formed.

 

[KingHashirama]

Nothing suggests that, at all...

Lets see nothing suggests that? Joke?

Hashirama was easily in his 40s when he died. And he was at already the leader of the strongest clan and the was the strongest Shinobi, when Madara was climbing the ranks amongst the uchiha.. And they are about the same age. So your saying some leader of a weak ass clan trained the Strongest Shinobi of their time? lmao hell no. Thats is freakin impossible. Trying to make Sasuke Sarutobi important to History of Konoha smh.

So if Sasuke were to be his Sensei, Saruotobi clan must be in the Senju clan. Only alliance known for the Senju are Uchiha and Uzumaki.

Sarutobi and etc came later. But the Sarutobi clan is respected due to Sasuke Sarutobi. But its most likely he was Hashirama's friend.

No, In order to become hokage you have to have had some form of training or connection to the previous, Even though ANruto is a good choice, Kakashi is still the runner up... After kakashi then maybe naruto but until then Naruto has to understand the fully responsibilty of being hokage, he still is unorthodox and hot headed..Which clouds judgement. I agree he is the perfect choice, but realistically he is still a Genin because of his unpredictable ways...

Naruto is argubly the wisest guy out there. And one of the most responsible people in the series now. And also, Hashirama was the first KAGE in history. He was elected by the village.. not by a single ninja..

 

[Narutofan4203]

Nothing suggests that, at all...


There would have been senseis LONG.. before the village system started.. If someone taught you, he's your sensei..
The people the sage of six paths taught, were his students, and vice versa..

In the time of constant war, there were clans.. and without a doubt there would have been alliances...
EG, Senju may have had a mutual friendship with the sarutobi clan.. etc
Noone said that every clan fought each other

In a time of endless war, there would be very few alliances, but to speculate that there was one between two random clans is nothing more then a flawed opinion.
Sensei's didn't truly exist until the founding of the hidden village, in a time of endless war and no organization whatsoever, do you really think a member from another clan would take time out to train a random child from the next clan that can easily use what you taught to turn against you in battle?
Again, timeline issue also.

 

[Narutofan4203]

Lets see nothing suggests that? Joke?

Hashirama was easily in his 40s when he died. And he was at already the leader of the strongest clan and the was the strongest Shinobi, when Madara was climbing the ranks amongst the uchiha.. And they are about the same age. So your saying some leader of a weak ass clan trained the Strongest Shinobi of their time? lmao hell no. Thats is freakin impossible. Trying to make Sasuke Sarutobi important to History of Konoha smh.

So if Sasuke were to be his Sensei, Saruotobi clan must be in the Senju clan. Only alliance known for the Senju are Uchiha and Uzumaki.

Sarutobi and etc came later. But the Sarutobi clan is respected due to Sasuke Sarutobi. But its most likely he was Hashirama's friend.


Naruto is argubly the wisest guy out there. And one of the most responsible people in the series now. And also, Hashirama was the first KAGE in history. He was elected by the village.. not by a single ninja..

/thread

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

The role of sensei hadn't been established yet in the olden times before the hidden village was created.
Everyone fought to be on top, and the one's who were on top trained all the time with their fellow clansmen.
Good thought, but no.
Edit: And, it's kind of a timeline issue. Hashirama is 20-30 years older then Hiruzen, and his father is older then hashirama?

Someone had to teach Hashirama right? And do you think it's just a coincidence that he and his brother taught Hiruzen?
Also, the Sarutobi clan, the Senju clan and the Ino-Shika-Cho clans, are the tightest knit clans in Konoha, do you think that is a coincidence too?
The Jounin and 3 Genin per team rule was established after Konoha was formed, not the concept of Sensei and Student. That notion is more than a 1000 years old.

 

[KingHashirama]

Someone had to teach Hashirama right? And do you think it's just a coincidence that he and his brother taught Hiruzen?
Also, the Sarutobi clan, the Senju clan and the Ino-Shika-Cho clans, are the tightest knit clans in Konoha, do you think that is a coincidence too?
The Jounin and 3 Genin per team rule was established after Konoha was formed, not the concept of Sensei and Student. That notion is more than a 1000 years old.

idk maybe cause Sarutobi was a respected ninja?

When you find a proof of their alliance in the clan wars. Only then assume this is a possiblity. Like why the hell would he need training from a weak ass clan, instead of the his clan's leader, the senju clan.


Sasuke was a respected ninja, and also maybe they saw that Hiruzen had potential? And only Tobirama is shown to have actually "Trained him" Hashirama just seems like how Hiruzen was to Naruto.

 

[Narutofan4203]

Someone had to teach Hashirama right? And do you think it's just a coincidence that he and his brother taught Hiruzen?
Also, the Sarutobi clan, the Senju clan and the Ino-Shika-Cho clans, are the tightest knit clans in Konoha, do you think that is a coincidence too?
The Jounin and 3 Genin per team rule was established after Konoha was formed, not the concept of Sensei and Student. That notion is more than a 1000 years old.

It's unknown if the Sarutobi and The Senju clan have any relationship at all; especially in the times of war. Why would a clan that wasn't as big as the clans who stood on top (Uchiha, Senju) Help the ones who were on top? Training their shinobi so they would have even more power?
Illogical.
Hashirama and Tobirama were like Izuna and Madara, they trained all the time to be on top, and Hashirama and Madara reached the top due to being the strongest and oldest out of the two.

 

[Owarij]

In a time of endless war, there would be very few alliances, but to speculate that there was one between two random clans is nothing more then a flawed opinion.

In the time of feudal japan etc when there were different clans in war, there were also alliances.. I don't see the difference.. You should do research on the topic or war on a whole.. clans and countries have alliances that help them ..
The VERY Fact that Sarutobi was one of the first clans to join in once konoha was founded , shows they had a understanding and not a rivalry..

Uchiha and senju made a TRUCE.. which once again shows there were ALLIANCES in the time of war..

Are you people joking?
there would have been SENSEIS since the moment ninjutsu was created... .As I said, if someone teaches you , HE'S your sensei...
most of these people didnt learn how to mold chakra etc on their own..

Lets see nothing suggests that? Joke?

Hashirama was easily in his 40s when he died. And he was at already the leader of the strongest clan and the was the strongest Shinobi, when Madara was climbing the ranks amongst the uchiha.. And they are about the same age. So your saying some leader of a weak ass clan trained the Strongest Shinobi of their time? lmao hell no. Thats is freakin impossible. Trying to make Sasuke Sarutobi important to History of Konoha smh.

So if Sasuke were to be his Sensei, Saruotobi clan must be in the Senju clan. Only alliance known for the Senju are Uchiha and Uzumaki.

First things first.. nothing in this manga states the sarutobi clan came into being after konoha was formed..

o your saying some leader of a weak ass clan trained the Strongest Shinobi of their time?

Are you even reading what you post? you still haven't given ONE reason as to why you think Sasuke was a ninja of their time
He was probably already DEAD... considering HASHIRAMA Taught hiruzen.

Love how you consider him fodder, Leader of the uchiha clan named his child after the man

Sasuke was a respected ninja, and also maybe they saw that Hiruzen had potential? And only Tobirama is shown to have actually "Trained him" Hashirama just seems like how Hiruzen was to Naruto.

Yet again spewing BS? Hiruzen called Hashirama his SENSEI.... do you see naruto calling hiruzen his teacher? did hiruzen teach naruto anything
They both taught hiruzen

 

[KingHashirama]

It's unknown if the Sarutobi and The Senju clan have any relationship at all; especially in the times of war. Why would a clan that wasn't as big as the clans who stood on top (Uchiha, Senju) Help the ones who were on top? Training their shinobi so they would have even more power?
Illogical.
Hashirama and Tobirama were like Izuna and Madara, they trained all the time to be on top, and Hashirama and Madara reached the top due to being the strongest and oldest out of the two.

Tobirama actually is legitfully weaker then Hashirama. o.o Its not just cause he was the older.. But he was the oldest and the strongest guy out there.

 

[gazz uzumaki]

It is a good theory but back in Hashirama's day, (before his clan and the Uchiha's created the leaf village) pretty much all the clans were at war with each other for territory. realistically, I don't think that the Senju clan would have trusted the Sarutobi clan in those days to train their heir to the clan.

 

[Narutofan4203]

In the time of feudal japan etc when there were different clans in war, there were also alliances.. I don't see the difference.. You should do research on the topic or war on a whole.. clans and countries have alliances that help them ..
The VERY Fact that Sarutobi was one of the first clans to join in once konoha was founded , shows they had a understanding and not a rivalry..

Uchiha and senju made a TRUCE.. which once again shows there were ALLIANCES in the time of war..

Are you people joking?
there would have been SENSEIS since the moment ninjutsu was created... .As I said, if someone teaches you , HE'S your sensei...
most of these people didnt learn how to mold chakra etc on their own..




First things first.. nothing in this manga states the sarutobi clan came into being after konoha was formed..


Are you even reading what you post? you still haven't given ONE reason as to why you think Sasuke was a ninja of their time
He was probably already DEAD... considering HASHIRAMA Taught hiruzen.

Love how you consider him fodder, Leader of the uchiha clan named his child after the man

Yet again spewing BS? Hiruzen called Hashirama his SENSEI.... do you see naruto calling hiruzen his teacher? did hiruzen teach naruto anything
They both taught hiruzen

Not even gonna reply to your first statement since I have proven it wrong.
Yeah, sarutobi must have existed back then, I'll agree on that.
He's fodder because he has no relevance to the story. Naming someone after another person due to having respect for that person doesn't show anything whatsoever.
Sasuke Sarutobi = Hiruzen's father
A sensei usually is atleast 10-15 years older then the student
When konoha was formed, Hashirama is atleast early-mid 30's. Making Sasuke Sarutobi very old to be a father. Who has a son in their 40's? Timeline issue.
Sasuke Sarutobi = Fodder, but he might serve some relevance in the current chapters (Hiruzen saying how Sasuke is named after his father, mentioning about how strong he was, etc)
There is no evidence to back this theory up, and it has gone down the line of theory to a mere speculation. A speculation that I and KingHashirama have proven wrong.
/thread

 

[KingHashirama]

Uchiha and senju made a TRUCE.. which once again shows there were ALLIANCES in the time of war..



First things first.. nothing in this manga states the sarutobi clan came into being after konoha was formed..


Are you even reading what you post? you still haven't given ONE reason as to why you think Sasuke was a ninja of their time
He was probably already DEAD... considering HASHIRAMA Taught hiruzen.

Love how you consider him fodder, Leader of the uchiha clan named his child after the man

1. Only those 2 clans have shown any kind of a alliance, and guess what they did after the alliance? They made the village. Was the Sarutobi clan there with them? no.

2. I never stated the Sarutobi clan formed after Konoha was made by the senju and Uchiha.

3. Why Sasuke was a ninja of their time.. idk for the fact that they trained Hiruzen.

4. You still haven't shown any proof of how Sarutobi clan was related to the Senju clan

You still haven't shown me why a weak ass clan's leader would train Hashirama , rather then the previous leader of the clan. Reasons please.

Hashirama taught Hiruzen.. Sarutobi also taught Hiruzen.. now you will say he didn't teach Naruto any ninjutsu.. well yes he did not. But he did teach him what a shinobi and what a hokage are. So thats he can be called his sensei. There is no proof in the manga suggest Hashirama even taught Hiruzen any ninjutsu.

Hiruzen was part of team Tobirama, so only Tobirama taught him ninjutsu.

Sorry, how you consider the Sarutobi clan to be superior to Senju and Uchiha is beyond my beliefs.

But I just stated Sasuke was a respected ninja. And who wouldn't want their kid being taught by the leaders of the village.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

It's unknown if the Sarutobi and The Senju clan have any relationship at all; especially in the times of war. Why would a clan that wasn't as big as the clans who stood on top (Uchiha, Senju) Help the ones who were on top? Training their shinobi so they would have even more power?
Illogical.
Hashirama and Tobirama were like Izuna and Madara, they trained all the time to be on top, and Hashirama and Madara reached the top due to being the strongest and oldest out of the two.

They didn't teach themselves. Every clan had alliances in those times, Senju and Uchiha were the dominating clan in Hashirama and Madara's time. There is no information of anything before that.

So Sarutobi Sasuke may have been the leader of that alliance between clans including the Senju and taught Hashirama, and then when Hashirama grew up, he became the leader of the alliance.

 

[Owarij]

Sorry, how you consider the Sarutobi clan to be superior to Senju and Uchiha is beyond my beliefs.

Putting words in my mouth? try again

1. Only those 2 clans have shown any kind of a alliance, and guess what they did after the alliance? They made the village. Was the Sarutobi clan there with them? no.

KingHashirama logic.. So Uchiha and senju make a truce and later on make a village.. and apparently they are the ONLY groups who ever had a friendship in the history of the Narutoverse

3. Why Sasuke was a ninja of their time.. idk for the fact that they trained Hiruzen.

Idk what the hell you're saying here.. But it 100% fact , that both hashirama and tobirama, TRAINED hiruzen... thus he calls them his sensei, not for ****s and giggles.. The very fact that hashirama trained the boy, means Hiruzen's father couldn't, meaning he was already dead..

And he still goes on to argue manga facts...Hashirama trained hiruzen, you can argue all you want, its not going to change that
When you see Minato call hiruzen his sensei, or Naruto called Hiruzen his sensei, then argue this..
Until then, there are three people naruto has given the sensei tag in this manga... iruka, jiraya and kakashi

Noone thus far has said for fact that Sasuke taught hashirama etc.. I said it EXPLAINS.. why they had a close relationship with the boy, and BOTH taught him..

You go on to make assertions stating that Sasuke is a ninja of Hashi's time.. well? the Burden of Proof is on you to prove that claim... and you deliver nothing, fail to prove your statement, try again mr king hashirama