I think Bleach is overal better than Naruto

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So I never could watch OP. I'm starting to think i'm missing out. But the beginning is so hurtful to watch. The stretchy guy is so annoying to me.

That guy is Luffy. I can see where you're coming from, Luffy does start out as annoying. However, he gets awesome later, trust me. Sometimes he can get a tad annoying, but he easily gets awesome again.

I recommend picking it back up.
 

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bleach>naruto, and i just started watching bleach a few weeks ago
 

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used to watch bleach till the damn filler started. Is it worth picking up again??
 

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I agree. Fights in bleach always entertain me.

If only Bleach had a stable plot xD
Bleach has a stable plot.
1.New foe appears
2.someone battles foe
3.Ichigo battles foe
4.Ichigo loses
5.Ichigo gets new power
6.Ichigo beats foe
Then it repeats all over again.
 

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I've seen Bleach all episodes, don't read the manga though.
I've been watching Naruto for almost 7 years now, I'm also a loyal manga reader.
I've tried to see One Piece, oh I tried and I failed to connect at all!

Bleach had some very cool moments!
One of the latest episodes that came out, there was a moment where Ichigo simply had to cry!
That was one of the most touching moments of its entire run for me and it took place after a zillion episodes.
I also grew with Ichigo, when I was young I found it really cool, all the battles and training, but because I grew I wanted more emotion in it. That hardly ever came until the end. It was more of the same in every theme. But the ending was nicely done!!

Naruto is definitely of a different calibre than Bleach. I mean emotionally I'm tied up to Naruto and he made it do by his characteristics. Naruto also has an advantage one that only a few have that is, it grows with the audience!
That's an important factor because when you're young you can't understand everything emotionally but when you're older you can!

The fighting is ofc superbly done I can say that is on a similare scale as Bleach.
But I've a bond with Naruto and the music that's in its show!
And the most beautiful scenes didn't took place on a battlefield for me!

So I conclude that Naruto is a better anime overall than Bleach!

Cheers, ForcefielD
 
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I'm sorry guys, but to me Naruto is the best of the top 3. and i like all 3, so there's no fanboy-ism/hater-ism going on here. Look, I'm a Literature teacher and maybe i just see things others don't. However, Naruto has one of the best plots i've ever seen. It has it's own great history, but it's the infusion of Religion, Myth, History, Sci-Fi, Fanstasy, martial arts and realism together with the plot that make Naruto so brilliant. and yes, the techniques are much better... ninjutsu is way better than shinigami/fullbring powers or devil fruit powers as they stem from marital-arts, chakra/ki/energy control, and philosophy. there's so much going on in Naruto that one single post can't even begin to express how powerful the story is. the plot is huge and it is extremely deep and complex and multi-layered, and the incorporation of mythology, religion, history, character development, uniqueness of the powers developed from religious/mythological background make for the true art of storytelling. People try to get away with saying Naruto has little-to-no character development or plot developmnet, and i'll be honest, that stems from the idea that it doesn't happen all at once because it's simply not true. I also believe it stems from a misunderstanding of what "character development" means. People say Oda had much better character development than Kishi... but that's not even close to true... i can't even believe that people say it.

what it really comes down to is rhetoric and a popularity contest. because One Piece is more "popular" than Naruto in terms of fanboyism and because it's Tankobon's sell more, people say one piece is "better." really? cuz it sells more Tankobon's? well, then Justin Beiber is "Better" than your favorite artist because he sells way more tickets. Selling more does not mean someone or something is better than something or someone eles, it just means they've sold more. The religious implications of Naruto as well as the wonderful blend of mythology and philosophy make for one beautiful blend of art and storytelling. to say that something else is better because it sells more is the worst form of rhetoric i've ever heard. the rest is just from fanboys... So selling more and being more popular is hardly the way that you can quantify the value of "Greatness." Being "Great" isn't simply a value than one can quantify, and what is "better" is up to the individual, although those with good rhetoric could sway people to their point of view. In my opinion, Naruto is the best of the 3, and hell it's one of the best period for that matter, and i say that for amny, many reasons. I've never seeen such development, such unique characters and powers and such power of will. One Piece has "will," but the one thing i can't stand about One Piece (and i like One Piece) is the device called Deus Ex Machina, which is used constantly. I've never, in all my years of studying literature and old Greek plays where Deus Ex Machina originated, seen it used so much.

so again, i actaully like the top 3, and i LOVE tons of other manga/anime as well, but for me, Naruto is the best and it would take me about 20-25 pages worth of a research essay to fully explain it, but for now please just take it as i've explained so far.
 

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You are comparing people preferences of op and naruto, this thread is about bleach and naruto, you couldn’t prove that naruto is better than bleach so you resorted in bringing in op examples which doesn’t have any relevance in this thread and it still proves my point that its up to peoples preferences. You say i need to research, what exactly is that? Its pretty obvious that naruto gets more sells and is more popular, no one is disputing that, as usual you have a hard time comprehending that, you cant force your views on me and you cant prove that naruto is better. You are the one who needs to learn what facts and opinions mean.

youre right, i don’t know a lot of things since there are a shitload of knowledge out there in the world and i doubt you know even a spec of that knowledge also. youre totally right, you da smartest evah, your opinions are facts and everybody elses opinions don’t mean shit (see what i did there tard). your post was condescending dumbass, like i said, what you took as an insult is up to you, some peoples inner bitch surfaces more easily than others. what i am saying to you tard is that you cant prove naruto is better is bleach, when you posted your statistics which i already knew what the information provided, all you did was state the obvious that more people like naruto, that’s it. hey dumbass, majority doesn’t mean fact, can you understand that or will you just keep bitching? i keep repeating naruto being better than bleach isn’t fact because you obviously keep repeating the same thing of i showed statistics blah blah blah so we can come to the conclusion it is. oh the irony, the amount of grammar mistakes and poorly formed sentences on your part makes you sound like a hypocrite.

its funny how you cant stay on topic, you’ve gotten so upset that you cant force your opinion on me that now you basically have created paragraphs on grammar mistakes, that’s pitiful on your part, im still waiting for you to prove that naruto is better than naruto btw.

its personal preference dumbass, it isn’t fact, because there are others who think otherwise, people can argue preference, not fact. the sells that you showed were facts which were that naruto sold more copies than bleach, which means obviously more people prefer it. from what i read from most people who stopped reading bleach, was that they stopped when the aizen arc ended, they don’t know whats going on currently in bleach; the fullbringer arc was utter shit but for those who kept reading seems to love whats happening now. and again their problems with bleach are their problems, i guess you dont know what is tard is because you were the one who got butthurt when i said bleach shits on naruto currently, but reading your posts i expected more bullshit.

obviously you don’t. and no, youre not baiting me so i can waste my time, nice try. capitalizing words, yes… misspelling, don’t care, this isn’t a school paper. but you should be the last person trying to be a grammar nazi.

your argument? What is that exactly? are you tying to say that YOU think its better, its more popular, your opinion > my opinion? what is your point because you seem to flip flop as the discussion progresses. also what do you think im trying to tell you, because you seem to be confused? and no, your opinion isn’t indisputable, get your head out of your ass and come back to reality.

That is why you are dumb. In all arguments or debates we use outer examples to help us. So this entire paragraph of bitching is completely irrelevant and unneeded. On top of it all you just want it gone as the examples crush your arguments but im not ditching them so sorry. I honestly think your illiterate as the whole op point was to debunk your idea that on a forums mainly attributed with one manga would be biased. I have your own words on quote so don't deny it. We have already said the naruto is more popular and such. But that is not my argument. What you keep neglecting is the fact that people buy stuff because they think it is GOOD or better they think it is of HIGH QUALITY. Which means most people think naruto is better. The critics say so to. Is it fact no. But is that the GENERAL CONSENSUS yes.

"see what i did there tard" Yes i do. Not only do you not know how to spell You're right but you also do not know how to capitalize and put a question mark after a a question. Illiterate bastard.
You are under the misconception I'm trying to change your preferences. (Encore) What you keep neglecting is the fact that people buy stuff because they think it is GOOD or better they think it is of HIGH QUALITY. Which means most people think naruto is better. The critics say so to. Is it fact no. But is that the GENERAL CONSENSUS yes.

I'm not really upset at all it is just amusing that I have to fight with someone who neither know anything about:
-Grammar
-Business
-general consensus
Ex:"im still waiting for you to prove that naruto is better than naruto btw." LMFAO!

I'm not saying it isn't preference but that means they admire it's quality and attributes. Ones which they prefer to bleach. And that is the GENERAL CONSENSUS. And there it is the problem with bleach. It's inability to hold on to it's readers. And that is why it is fail.

No I did and it does not matter whether you search as regardless you won't anything or at least not a lot. Compared to you who's sentences are not even up to par with 5th grade English.

Remember I'm not trying to change your opinion. I'm merely giving reasons as to why my opinion is more backed up. Something you do not understand since you are an illiterate bastard. That is all there is to it I'm just pointing out the general consensus and what it could mean. And what exactly do you have to help you. Oh that's right NOTHING.
 
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Bleach has a stable plot.
1.New foe appears
2.someone battles foe
3.Ichigo battles foe
4.Ichigo loses
5.Ichigo gets new power
6.Ichigo beats foe
Then it repeats all over again.

How about repetitive plot.
 

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Arguing about this makes no fu*king sense whatsoever. It's completely based on personal taste just like any other kind of art, music, movies, books, etc. and is not something suposed to be argued about. In my opinion, Bleach is the best. I like the story, I like the characters and I like the overal atmosphere the manga radiates with. To me it was always better than Naruto and OP and always will be. I respect different opinions and have nothing against them. However, those who judge mangas only by power levels and amount of destruction, and those who try to impose their beliefs on others, are all narrow minded idiots who can just fu*k off.

Peace.
 

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I'm sorry guys, but to me Naruto is the best of the top 3. and i like all 3, so there's no fanboy-ism/hater-ism going on here. Look, I'm a Literature teacher and maybe i just see things others don't. However, Naruto has one of the best plots i've ever seen. It has it's own great history, but it's the infusion of Religion, Myth, History, Sci-Fi, Fanstasy, martial arts and realism together with the plot that make Naruto so brilliant. and yes, the techniques are much better... ninjutsu is way better than shinigami/fullbring powers or devil fruit powers as they stem from marital-arts, chakra/ki/energy control, and philosophy. there's so much going on in Naruto that one single post can't even begin to express how powerful the story is. the plot is huge and it is extremely deep and complex and multi-layered, and the incorporation of mythology, religion, history, character development, uniqueness of the powers developed from religious/mythological background make for the true art of storytelling. People try to get away with saying Naruto has little-to-no character development or plot developmnet, and i'll be honest, that stems from the idea that it doesn't happen all at once because it's simply not true. I also believe it stems from a misunderstanding of what "character development" means. People say Oda had much better character development than Kishi... but that's not even close to true... i can't even believe that people say it.

what it really comes down to is rhetoric and a popularity contest. because One Piece is more "popular" than Naruto in terms of fanboyism and because it's Tankobon's sell more, people say one piece is "better." really? cuz it sells more Tankobon's? well, then Justin Beiber is "Better" than your favorite artist because he sells way more tickets. Selling more does not mean someone or something is better than something or someone eles, it just means they've sold more. The religious implications of Naruto as well as the wonderful blend of mythology and philosophy make for one beautiful blend of art and storytelling. to say that something else is better because it sells more is the worst form of rhetoric i've ever heard. the rest is just from fanboys... So selling more and being more popular is hardly the way that you can quantify the value of "Greatness." Being "Great" isn't simply a value than one can quantify, and what is "better" is up to the individual, although those with good rhetoric could sway people to their point of view. In my opinion, Naruto is the best of the 3, and hell it's one of the best period for that matter, and i say that for amny, many reasons. I've never seeen such development, such unique characters and powers and such power of will. One Piece has "will," but the one thing i can't stand about One Piece (and i like One Piece) is the device called Deus Ex Machina, which is used constantly. I've never, in all my years of studying literature and old Greek plays where Deus Ex Machina originated, seen it used so much.

so again, i actaully like the top 3, and i LOVE tons of other manga/anime as well, but for me, Naruto is the best and it would take me about 20-25 pages worth of a research essay to fully explain it, but for now please just take it as i've explained so far.

No fanboyism huh? Sorry but that contradicts with the rest of your post. Some literature teacher you are.
 

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I'm sorry guys, but to me Naruto is the best of the top 3. and i like all 3, so there's no fanboy-ism/hater-ism going on here. Look, I'm a Literature teacher and maybe i just see things others don't. However, Naruto has one of the best plots i've ever seen. It has it's own great history, but it's the infusion of Religion, Myth, History, Sci-Fi, Fanstasy, martial arts and realism together with the plot that make Naruto so brilliant. and yes, the techniques are much better... ninjutsu is way better than shinigami/fullbring powers or devil fruit powers as they stem from marital-arts, chakra/ki/energy control, and philosophy. there's so much going on in Naruto that one single post can't even begin to express how powerful the story is. the plot is huge and it is extremely deep and complex and multi-layered, and the incorporation of mythology, religion, history, character development, uniqueness of the powers developed from religious/mythological background make for the true art of storytelling. People try to get away with saying Naruto has little-to-no character development or plot developmnet, and i'll be honest, that stems from the idea that it doesn't happen all at once because it's simply not true. I also believe it stems from a misunderstanding of what "character development" means. People say Oda had much better character development than Kishi... but that's not even close to true... i can't even believe that people say it.

what it really comes down to is rhetoric and a popularity contest. because One Piece is more "popular" than Naruto in terms of fanboyism and because it's Tankobon's sell more, people say one piece is "better." really? cuz it sells more Tankobon's? well, then Justin Beiber is "Better" than your favorite artist because he sells way more tickets. Selling more does not mean someone or something is better than something or someone eles, it just means they've sold more. The religious implications of Naruto as well as the wonderful blend of mythology and philosophy make for one beautiful blend of art and storytelling. to say that something else is better because it sells more is the worst form of rhetoric i've ever heard. the rest is just from fanboys... So selling more and being more popular is hardly the way that you can quantify the value of "Greatness." Being "Great" isn't simply a value than one can quantify, and what is "better" is up to the individual, although those with good rhetoric could sway people to their point of view. In my opinion, Naruto is the best of the 3, and hell it's one of the best period for that matter, and i say that for amny, many reasons. I've never seeen such development, such unique characters and powers and such power of will. One Piece has "will," but the one thing i can't stand about One Piece (and i like One Piece) is the device called Deus Ex Machina, which is used constantly. I've never, in all my years of studying literature and old Greek plays where Deus Ex Machina originated, seen it used so much.

so again, i actaully like the top 3, and i LOVE tons of other manga/anime as well, but for me, Naruto is the best and it would take me about 20-25 pages worth of a research essay to fully explain it, but for now please just take it as i've explained so far.

When has One Piece used Deux ex machina as much as you have claimed.
 

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No fanboyism huh? Sorry but that contradicts with the rest of your post. Some literature teacher you are.

why don't u read it first. i didn't contradict a thing, so read carefully. i said that i like all 3 mangas, i said i happened to like naruto the best of the three and why, i said some people say one or the other is "best" but they say it for the wrong reasons, AND i said that the "Best" is almost impossible to quantify and that it's my OPINION that naruto is the "best" because i like it the best. how is that fanboyism? when i like all 3 but have the opinion that Naruto is better and gave many, many reasons why? there's absolutely nothing fanboyistic in my statement. it's me saying "my opinion," "it's hard to quantify," "i like all 3 mangas..." where's the fanboyism? please read it fully with the understanding that there's no fanboyism. i love bleach and one piece, just i love Naruto more. so, ur saying i'm a fanboy cuz i like naruto the best? wow. the only thing i even said that was negative was that i don't like how One Piece uses Deus Ex Machina virtually every chapter. nothing i said is from a fanboy. if you think so, then you completely missed the point of everything i said, meaning you either didn't read it carefully or u simply didn't understand what i said, so i don't know where ur getting this from when i love all 3 mangas. and be honest, did u even know what deus ex machina was before looking it up?
 

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why don't u read it first. i didn't contradict a thing, so read carefully. i said that i like all 3 mangas, i said i happened to like naruto the best of the three and why, i said some people say one or the other is "best" but they say it for the wrong reasons, AND i said that the "Best" is almost impossible to quantify and that it's my OPINION that naruto is the "best" because i like it the best. how is that fanboyism? when i like all 3 but have the opinion that Naruto is better and gave many, many reasons why? there's absolutely nothing fanboyistic in my statement. it's me saying "my opinion," "it's hard to quantify," "i like all 3 mangas..." where's the fanboyism? please read it fully with the understanding that there's no fanboyism. i love bleach and one piece, just i love Naruto more. so, ur saying i'm a fanboy cuz i like naruto the best? wow. the only thing i even said that was negative was that i don't like how One Piece uses Deus Ex Machina virtually every chapter. nothing i said is from a fanboy. if you think so, then you completely missed the point of everything i said, meaning you either didn't read it carefully or u simply didn't understand what i said, so i don't know where ur getting this from when i love all 3 mangas. and be honest, did u even know what deus ex machina was before looking it up?

You're really redundant.
 

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Bleach has a stable plot.
1.New foe appears
2.someone battles foe
3.Ichigo battles foe
4.Ichigo loses
5.Ichigo gets new power
6.Ichigo beats foe
Then it repeats all over again.

This is basically the arc right now. Right now it's on part 4.
 

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You're really redundant. When did ONE PIECE use Deus Ex Machina as much as you said?

yes, i was redundant to make a point. i was accused of being a fanboy when all i said was naruto was better in my opinion. people didn't seem to understand so i repeated myself. and i like One Piece, but for some reason, no matter how much i say i like one piece, people get upset or simply ignore it cuz i like Naruto better.

and i assume u know what Deus Ex Machina is since ur asking right? well, how about Enies Lobby? they were dead, but then they got balied out at the last minute by Going Merry. what about Kuma? he was supposed to kill them but he bailed them out by simlply sending them flying. what about Loguetown? Smoker had Luffy, but at the very last second, Dragon saved him. What about Magellan's poison? Luffy was gonna die but he just happened to get saved by Iva and once again, he was bailed out at the last second. that's Deus Ex Machina, getting bailed out when a situation seems hopeless and it happens to Luffy all the time. saying every chapter was of course a hyperbole, but he's always bailed out at the last second. and what about FishMan Island? the entire island was almost destroyed but at the very last second the Sea Kings swooped in and stopped the Noah, and i mean that's Deus Ex Machina as it was used in the Greek days, literally gods (i know the sea kings aren't gods but that's what it was like) swooping in to save the day. and what about the Marinford War? Law showed up JUST as Luffy was about to die and saved his ass in the nick of time. OH, and then there's the ULTIMATE deus ex machina in Loguetown--Luffy was about to be beheaded but f'n Lightning struck right where he was and saved him life. there are TONS of instances of Deus Ex Machina. Hell, there are lots more, but the show/manga is so long that i can't simply think up every single one off the top of my head
 
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yes, i was redundant to make a point. i was accused of being a fanboy but all i say was naruto was better in my opinion. people didn't seem to understand so i repeated myself.

and i assume u know what Deus Ex Machina is since ur asking right? well, how about Enies Lobby? they were dead, but then they got balied out at the last minute by Going Merry. what about Kuma? he was supposed to kill them but he bailed them out by simlply sending them flying. what about Loguetown? Smoker had Luffy, but at the very last second, Dragon saved him. What about Magellan's poison? Luffy was gonna die but he just happened to get saved by Iva and once again, he was bailed out at the last second. that's Deus Ex Machina, getting bailed out when a situation seems hopeless and it happens to Luffy all the time. saying every chapter was of course a hyperbole, but he's always bailed out at the last second. and what about FishMan Island? the entire island was almost destroyed but at the very last second the Sea Kings swooped in and stopped the Noah, and i mean that's Deus Ex Machina as it was used in the Greek days, literally gods (i know the sea kings aren't gods but that's what it was like) swooping in to save the day. and what about the Marinford War? Law showed up JUST as Luffy was about to die and saved his ass in the nick of time. there are TONS of instances of Deus Ex Machina

The only real Deux ex Machina here are Law, Merry and Dragon. Also, you talk as if Naruto doesn't have many itself.

Examples?

How about Lee suddenly having Gates and weights on so his speed could increase against Gaara?
How about the Kyuubi magically saving Naruto multiple times?
How about Kakashi suddenly being able to spam Kamui?
How about Gaara suddenly being able to substitute and slip out of his sand shell to save himself against Lee?
How about Pein's Shinra Tensei suddenly coming back right when Rasenshuriken was about to hit?
And that's just a few examples.
 
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The only real Deux ex Machina here are Law, Merry and Dragon

that's not true man, trust me i know what i'm talking about. Law, Merry, Dragon, the Lightning that stopped Luffy's execution when Smoker said "it's like God himself stopped that from happening," Iva saving Luffy was "Beyond a miracle" as Iva said, which is deus ex machina, the Sea Kings coming in and stopping the Noah from destroying Fishman Island was deus ex machina... in literature we use it for way more than the way google or wiki defines it. trust me, these are all deus ex machina and Luffy always get bailed out at the last moment, i mean no one can deny that. and when he or anyone else is saved by a "miracle" or "act of god" or even a "coincidence" that is too much to be a mere coincidence, that's all deus ex machina. My friend, u know i'm an English teacher... just trust me on this one. it's deus ex machina when it's a miracle, act of god, too much of a coincidence, or any other unexplained event that saves someone's life at the very last second--even Aokiji coming in and taking it upon himself to save little Robin's life rather than kill her counts as d.e.m. Someone being miraculously saved when they should die, however it happens, would count as d.e.m UNLESS you were taking a Greek Tragedy/Greek Drama course. because in that case, you'd use it in the strict definition as it applies to Greek theater. but yeah, its use is extended to the things i've mentioned... anyways bro please, in this case just trust me k?

and dude, that aside--and this doesn't apply to u Riker, cuz ur cool with me--i'm saying i LIKE one piece, so why does everyone treat me so poorly just cuz i say i like Naruto better? i don't understand that, i mean this isn't even a One Piece forum...
and as a Naruto fan, i'm more than willing to accept whatever people say about Naruto and i'm also willing to admit it's shortcomings but people are mean and rude to me just cuz i like Naruto better like it's a crime or something
 
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That is why you are dumb. In all arguments or debates we use outer examples to help us. So this entire paragraph of bitching is completely irrelevant and unneeded. On top of it all you just want it gone as the examples crush your arguments but im not ditching them so sorry. I honestly think your illiterate as the whole op point was to debunk your idea that on a forums mainly attributed with one manga would be biased. I have your own words on quote so don't deny it. We have already said the naruto is more popular and such. But that is not my argument. What you keep neglecting is the fact that people buy stuff because they think it is GOOD or better they think it is of HIGH QUALITY. Which means most people think naruto is better. The critics say so to. Is it fact no. But is that the GENERAL CONSENSUS yes.

"see what i did there tard" Yes i do. Not only do you not know how to spell You're right but you also do not know how to capitalize and put a question mark after a a question. Illiterate bastard.
You are under the misconception I'm trying to change your preferences. (Encore) What you keep neglecting is the fact that people buy stuff because they think it is GOOD or better they think it is of HIGH QUALITY. Which means most people think naruto is better. The critics say so to. Is it fact no. But is that the GENERAL CONSENSUS yes.

I'm not really upset at all it is just amusing that I have to fight with someone who neither know anything about:
-Grammar
-Business
-general consensus
Ex:"im still waiting for you to prove that naruto is better than naruto btw." LMFAO!

I'm not saying it isn't preference but that means they admire it's quality and attributes. Ones which they prefer to bleach. And that is the GENERAL CONSENSUS. And there it is the problem with bleach. It's inability to hold on to it's readers. And that is why it is fail.

No I did and it does not matter whether you search as regardless you won't anything or at least not a lot. Compared to you who's sentences are not even up to par with 5th grade English.

Remember I'm not trying to change your opinion. I'm merely giving reasons as to why my opinion is more backed up. Something you do not understand since you are an illiterate bastard. That is all there is to it I'm just pointing out the general consensus and what it could mean. And what exactly do you have to help you. Oh that's right NOTHING.

Arguing about this makes no fu*king sense whatsoever. It's completely based on personal taste just like any other kind of art, music, movies, books, etc. and is not something suposed to be argued about. In my opinion, Bleach is the best. I like the story, I like the characters and I like the overal atmosphere the manga radiates with. To me it was always better than Naruto and OP and always will be. I respect different opinions and have nothing against them. However, those who judge mangas only by power levels and amount of destruction, and those who try to impose their beliefs on others, are all narrow minded idiots who can just fu*k off.

Peace.

where did you see me denying anything? or are you just going to duck and dodge my question as usual. what i said i stand by it. im telling you that trying to compare bleach to naruto is different from comparing op to naruto. And how am i denying that when people buy something they think its good? open your eyes for once, i clearly and repeatedly have said when naruto has more sells than bleach it means more people prefer it, so its fcking obvious that they would think its good. damn, you really do have comprehension issues, i dont know how many times i told you that those sells means more people prefers it, which could also mean for the ones who read/watch both (naruto and bleach) that they THINK naruto is better. Thats called personal preference, TO THEM its better, but there are others who dont think so, saying naruto > bleach or bleach > naruto isnt fact. what your problem is that since it sells more copies or is higher on the popularity poll we can come to the conclusion that it is better, which is false. but since you are bitching saying comparing op to naruto can better my argument, i will use one my self and i would use your shit logic... the "Avatar" is the top grossing films of all time, does that most mean its fact that it is the best movie of all time? no, all that means is that its more popular, and more people payed to watch it. Or how about justin beiber, he sells out wherever he goes, is probably the most popular singer in the world, but does that mean he is the best singer? no, it means more people like him, its not fact that he is a better singer than singers who arent a popular. you get? or you are too retarded to understand. also dont dck ride trying to defend beibers honor again, no one is dissing him.

Oh the irony, talking about someones grammar again now are we? keep avoiding the topic at hand, but in the end you havent proved anything. im not going to repeat my self what fact and preferences is again, what you are saying is basically how more people THINK naruto is better which i already knew that before your retarded ass even quoted me, you think youre making a point but you are only proving my point dipshit.

youre amused? dont know why when youre the one whos butthurt and have comprehension problems, from what i can tell you dont know what the following means:

-fact
-opinion/preferences

and those are pretty easy to understand but you have a problem with that for some odd reason.

Fail. so because the majority thinks naruto > bleach, that means "its a fail". haha, if thats what YOU think thats what YOU think, you cant speak for others opinions, thats your opinion. the majority likes it more, good for them, some of them probably still loves bleach, some of them probably dont, but it doesnt mean its fact which since obviously there are people who disagree with that.

so you know the levels of literature? tell me more professor, is this narutobase or a college paper that should be turned in for grading? you have failed again.

lmao, nice job avoiding the question. i asked you what is your point and you say im just giving reasons to why my opinion is more backed up. how about you tell us what that opinion is dipshit instead of avoiding questions once again. also i keep telling you that i understand the more people prefer naruto over bleach idiot. so again, whats your point.

@ Lentz: i fully agree with the bold parts
 
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