I think Bleach is overal better than Naruto

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Agreed especially now bleach is kicking naruto ass.........when i first started reading bleach till when i caught up completely i was always under the impression that naruto was better as an overall. This was before a good portion of the war arc had occurred. Naruto from part one to the kages summit was solid as hell and if i had to compare it to the entire bleach series at the time i would have easily said naruto was better. however this war arc has sucked ass and kishi's manga sales have dropped because of it(this year hes at three instead of two like he normally is). some of you are probably thinking why let one arc ruin a series for you well this happens all of the time. look at deathnote and bleach both had extreme flop parts in their series and if you look at manga sales for this year bleach is not even in the top 10 after this amazing arc simply because alot of people stopped reading after specific arcs. so yes one arc can make a difference. i do believe that bleach will end strong so im confidently going to follow till the end. As for kishimoto and naruto i see signs of talk no jutsu becoming more frequent with sasuke and obito.......shit like this turns me off of a series so thats why i perfer bleach over naruto atm.
 

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Bleach is WAY WORSE than Naruto. All that ever happens is this
1) Something bad happens to ichigo/friends
2) Everyone is about to lose
3) Ichigo MAGICALLY gains the opponent's powers or he "JUST SO HAPPENS" to unlock an inner ability that he "always" had
4) Ichigo then proceeds to win via Deux ex Machina

I know Naruto gets crazy power ups, but at least he freaking trains for them. Ichigo just suddenly gains an impossible ability and becomes stronger without even trying. Bleach is not better.

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I also forgot to mention that bleach has filler SEASONS, not arcs like Naruto, but entire freaking SEASONS of fillers.

I disagree with this. I think the points 1-4 you mentioned actually apply more to a manga like Fairy Tail, but that's irrelevant.

Firstly it's been noted from the start that Ichigo has an incredible growth rate. The basis of most of his powers came from training, although because it took such a short time to achieve that people write it off as a deux ex machina or as if they came out of nowhere.

Powers achieved through training:
1. Shinigami/Shikai training (urahara, soul society arc, experience)
2. Bankai (yoruichi)
3. FGT (isshin)

Powers he had, but wasn't aware of. THEN he managed to master through training:
1. Hollow Suppression (Vaizard)
2. Fullbring (Xecution)

Recently obtained powers:
1. Quincy

I think Bleach and Naruto are actually fairly equal in their deus ex machina moments, it's just that they're done in different ways. You can match the fight between fully hollowified Ichigo vs Ulquiorra with the Naruto vs Pain fight (where Naruto went 8 tails and the 4th Hokage showed up to save him).
Equally the arrival of Ichigo's Quincy powers against Juha Bach can be matched with that ridiculous summoning jutsu Sasuke pulled off to escape from Deidara during their battle. Add on Itachi's izanami, Tobi saving Sasuke from Onooki's jinton, and many others from both mangas, and they both have their fair share of what people here like to call "Plot no Jutsu"

As for the fillers, i prefer Bleach's style. A season of fillers means that every episode encompassed within that arc is related. Besides, although they're non-canon, it still gives an insight into soul society and does bring some character development to the stage. Some Naruto fillers are good but i find myself getting disappointed by the rapid switching between a epic, relevant filler and an abysmal one like "Allied Mom Forces", which isn't even funny. IMO at the very least, if a filler is going to be off topic, make it drop dead hilarious. Remember some of the fillers in Part 1 like the Kakashi's Mask episode or the one where Naruto goes nine-tails because an impostor steals his ramen? They were amazing. Even when Bleach goes off topic with their fillers, they cram it with jokes to make sure that it still has enough comedy to make you forget that what you're watching is terrible.

From my post it may look like i prefer Bleach over Naruto, in fact it's the opposite with me. The only reason I put Naruto over Bleach is because of Part 1. If it was just Shippuden by itself i'd say Bleach takes this. But Naruto Part 1 is so crammed with awesomeness that it makes up for it.

Need to read more on One Piece before I can give it a verdict.
 

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one piece and naruto are tied...bleach just got so damn ****all..and now some quincy war arc...way to copy naruto man...also bleach should have ended when he beat aizen

So having a war between two races that have hated each other is copying...also only stupid people think Bleach should have ended after the Aizen arc since there are far to many questions left unanswered.
 

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is Bleach really so good as people make it sound like? I might maybe give it a try.
 

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Narutos always #1 for me :D
Ofcourse that's my personal opinion :ghehe:
 

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No... That's why one piece is crap, atleast naruto still has a moral. They want to teach the people who read the manga that the vicious cycle of hatred can (almost) not be stopped and that you have to love your friends and family, it's not some random bullshit like one piece.

One Piece teaches that moral as well, as well as MANY more morals. The fact that you don't know this shows you don't have sufficient knowledge of it to judge.
 

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Naruto has the most "realistic" art style and empathetic characters. Story wise, it's overall solid, although the details can get fuzzy if you read into it too much; and sometimes I feel that there's less story to keep up with the pacing (aka this war arc, most will admit it's been dragging a little). Emphasis on character interactions and strong themes often make up for plot "WTFs"

Bleach is slick and clean (my favorite art style of the big three), and can be surprisingly poetic (like Naruto) if you read into it. However, there is little to no plot threading this series together, and while flashy battles are awesome, looking back, Bleach lost a lot of potential for characterization and variety after the Soul Society Arc (I liked the Arrancar Saga, just felt it quickly devolved into battle after battle). Hopefully the War arc brings back what makes Bleach great. One of the most intriguing universes created; just a lot of wasted potential if all we get per chapter is two characters slashing swords at each other.

One Piece is currently my favorite of the three (although I've only just finished the CP9 saga). Art style is goofy and lovable once you get used to it. Story sagas are tied together in unbelievable ways (it's a surprise that it doesn't collapse under its own weight), and I haven't read another manga that gives me such a sense of adventure as this. The universe of OP feels like it's been there forever, like it's been lived in, and not created as they go along.

However, each of these series has common criticisms of Shonen manga, like unnecessary plot twists, random power ups, plot shields, etc.

tl;dr Each series has its ups and downs, what one prefers is up to their personal taste.

For me:

OP>Naruto (not by much)
Naruto = Bleach (not by much),
so, OP>Naruto=Bleach
 

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Anime: Bleach>Naruto>Fairy Tail>One Piece

Manga: Fairy Tail>Naruto>One Piece>Bleach

Naruto is the best of the 4 overall. But that's because Bleach manga sucks.
 

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For me it's. . . . . . . . . Naruto >>> Bleach >>> One Piece. . . . . . . . . :y
 

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You think Bleach is better, Try putting in One Piece in the middle and then tell me which is the best LOL
 

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The Bleach plot lost credibility after Kubo "invented" fullbrings as a way to get Ichigo his powers back. Post Aizen arcs have been horrible.
 

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The Bleach plot lost credibility after Kubo "invented" fullbrings as a way to get Ichigo his powers back. Post Aizen arcs have been horrible.

Yes, but last chap gave us hints that this was not the only purpose why Kubo invented the Fullbringers. We even got indication that the Aizen Arc isn't over yet. ;)
 

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Noone can hate on one piece or bleach and still call themselves a Naruto fan. why?? Ill tell you why. You guys ever notice that big company name called Shonen Jump yeah well there maybe different artists on each series but the overall ideas are the same. If you havent noticed these similarities in all three:

1:Main character rushes into danger in the most incompetent manner.
2:Main character has friends to bring him out of that danger if hes not ready.
3:If he is ready. . . . then his friends glorify him.
4:There is no shortage of surprises from all supporting characters
5:Theres that shy girl that likes the main character ie Hinata Orihime (idk about one piece never seen it but i can guess)
6:If you havent noticed even some powers are similar between Naruto and Bleach(Gaaras abs defense and Byakuyas shikai, Ichigos speed and rock lees speed, immense energy kenpachi and immense energy naruto,)
7:dont tell me you havent noticed characters in Bleach using ninja hand signs like dragon, tiger, etc
8:Neji and byakuya have a need for being condescending . . . . . . same supporting character different series
9:Um the blond hair from bleach naruto main characters. . . . .anyone?

Moral of this message is that if you hate on any of the shonen jump seriesessss then your shooting yourself in the foot
 

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Too tired. Just continue the argument tomorrow.
By the way, I've been reading the whole argument since the beginning, and I agree with you 100%!

Thanks a lot.

no need I think you pretty much summed it up... as to madra/obito being bad antagonist, no way it's much more refreshing with their goals than your average take over the world villain

I know and thanks that other guy is so terrible.

again you cant comprehend what i said, why would i try to counter what you said basically saying the same thing. i know that there is alot of people on here who prefer op > naruto (including myself), my point was that there could be a reason for that maybe not what you said specifically regarding those mangas(op and naruto) but we are talking about naruto and bleach.

i dont fcking know, i dont control your emotions and interpretations retard, people handle things differently. i had a reason to call you a tard because you got overly defensive about my opinion. read the way you responded to my first post and next ones before it got ugly, the first post you made was some condescending comments about bleach, you obviously felt some kind of way and you continued to be defensive (fanboying is a better term) about naruto which is why i callled you a tard. I KNOW THAT NARUTO IS MORE POPULAR, I WAS TRYING TO SAY THAT IT ISNT FACT THAT ITS BETTER THAN BLEACH, but you had a had time comprehending that, you was basically bashing the anime i just so happened said shits on it and justifying what my opinions were on about naruto.

im not disagreeing with you that naruo is more popular from the sells and popularity that you posted, i knew that, but its not FACT that its better than bleach or your opinion > my opinion. im not trying to disprove anything, just trying to let you know that naruto is simply more popular, not better which it seems you cannot accept.

your welcome. now youre trying to bait me into exposing your grammar mistakes? just stop, that has zero relevance on this topic. and im not capitalizing my words because i dont feel like it, simple, but if you want to waste time looking at grammar, be my guest.

what are you leaning on? you cant prove that its fact that naruto is better, thats your argument, since its obviously opinions there wouldnt be a need for me to show statistics and manga sells genius.

no, you didnt, stop lying to yourself.

"on narutobase you are going to see more people who just reads/watches naruto on a site like onepiecebay, you are going to see more people who just watches op than people on here who just watches op. i have seen posts on this thread saying they havent read/stop reading bleach, you are most likely not going to see that on a bleach forum, you will see the same thing about people not reading/stopped reading naruto. nah, you have a hard time understanding something so basic."

This does not counter what I say. This states that sites that are oriented to one manga are biased. The fact is that is wrong with the fact that on narutobase most people think op>naruto. That is not a counter. Then you saying that there are "other reasons" well the fact is and this is A WORLDWIDE FACT is for the most part quality=$$$$ so shut up and take a business course or something. And I can make any comparisons I want. You seem to be under the impression that I can't when it is actually perfectly fine to use OUTSIDE EXAMPLES to bolster your argument. Your an idiot who needs to do is research.

"i dont fcking know" Yeah trust me you don't know a lot of things. You obviously don't know what sarcasm is. please take some english and buisness classes cuz your dumb. And is not my "interpretations" tard is an insult FACT. An interpretation was thinking I'm condescending. I'm not the one who jumps to insults right away to have an excuse for their poor arguments. Your an idiot. You keep saying it is not fact and I keep saying that my statisitcs and consenssus are just to bolster my opinion. That alone shows im not saying it's fact but where the majority lies. But you keep repeating it isn't fact when that was clarified long time ago. Your an idiot and you don't know how to put a basic sentence together pitiful.

"naruo" What is naruo? I am looking for other anime to watch as a pass time please tell me more?

You argue something said long ago. I'm not saying that everyone will think naruto is better BUT going of statistics one could say so. And the fact is people buy it because they like the quality simple as that. That is why Bleach is not even top 10 anymore. That is why as you pointed out many people stopped reading because it is bad.


You obviously did not get it. And you exposing my grammar mistakes? Hah good luck trying! So are you purposely misspelling or leaving half finished words and sentences cuz you don't feel like it?

Go re read you illiterate bastard. I'm not saying I can make it fact. However to make my argument more stronger I add evidence to make it look better. I have said it is opinions. But mine looks stronger. Yours is truly not. That is indisputable.

Page 6 ****tard.
 

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Gun ichimaru bankai >>>> entire naruto verse lml

Bleach characters r OP even the weak ones they all can teleport only a hand ful of ppl in naruto can do tht lml


Only ppl tht can stand up to bleach characters r


Naruto
Kakashi only cuz he can warp things
Obito only cuz he can't b hit
Madara
The kages (gaara onooki A tsunade not Mei tho)
Orochimaru
Nagato
Sasuke until his Susanno gets broken lml I said it
Bee
Akasuki but only Kisame with samanda itachi if he ain't sick kakazu with all hearts deidara (no to the rest cuz sasori would b obliterated zestu no kohan no hidan no)
Edo Kage (mu gaara daddy 3rd rai 2nd mizukage)


O and hasirama by hype
 

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Allow this guy to sort the argument out for you. He gets it spot on.

[video=youtube;Xtl-U_XhFZY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xtl-U_XhFZY&list=UU7dF9qfBMXrSlaaFFDvV_Yg&index=1&feature=plcp[/video]
 

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everyone has an opinion aslong as you like it who cares what anyone else thinks. i personally like naruto more than any other anime. bleach is bad ass though

I completely agree with this guy
 

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"on narutobase you are going to see more people who just reads/watches naruto on a site like onepiecebay, you are going to see more people who just watches op than people on here who just watches op. i have seen posts on this thread saying they havent read/stop reading bleach, you are most likely not going to see that on a bleach forum, you will see the same thing about people not reading/stopped reading naruto. nah, you have a hard time understanding something so basic."

This does not counter what I say. This states that sites that are oriented to one manga are biased. The fact is that is wrong with the fact that on narutobase most people think op>naruto. That is not a counter. Then you saying that there are "other reasons" well the fact is and this is A WORLDWIDE FACT is for the most part quality=$$$$ so shut up and take a business course or something. And I can make any comparisons I want. You seem to be under the impression that I can't when it is actually perfectly fine to use OUTSIDE EXAMPLES to bolster your argument. Your an idiot who needs to do is research.

"i dont fcking know" Yeah trust me you don't know a lot of things. You obviously don't know what sarcasm is. please take some english and buisness classes cuz your dumb. And is not my "interpretations" tard is an insult FACT. An interpretation was thinking I'm condescending. I'm not the one who jumps to insults right away to have an excuse for their poor arguments. Your an idiot. You keep saying it is not fact and I keep saying that my statisitcs and consenssus are just to bolster my opinion. That alone shows im not saying it's fact but where the majority lies. But you keep repeating it isn't fact when that was clarified long time ago. Your an idiot and you don't know how to put a basic sentence together pitiful.

"naruo" What is naruo? I am looking for other anime to watch as a pass time please tell me more?

You argue something said long ago. I'm not saying that everyone will think naruto is better BUT going of statistics one could say so. And the fact is people buy it because they like the quality simple as that. That is why Bleach is not even top 10 anymore. That is why as you pointed out many people stopped reading because it is bad.


You obviously did not get it. And you exposing my grammar mistakes? Hah good luck trying! So are you purposely misspelling or leaving half finished words and sentences cuz you don't feel like it?

Go re read you illiterate bastard. I'm not saying I can make it fact. However to make my argument more stronger I add evidence to make it look better. I have said it is opinions. But mine looks stronger. Yours is truly not. That is indisputable.

Page 6 ****tard.

You are comparing people preferences of op and naruto, this thread is about bleach and naruto, you couldn’t prove that naruto is better than bleach so you resorted in bringing in op examples which doesn’t have any relevance in this thread and it still proves my point that its up to peoples preferences. You say i need to research, what exactly is that? Its pretty obvious that naruto gets more sells and is more popular, no one is disputing that, as usual you have a hard time comprehending that, you cant force your views on me and you cant prove that naruto is better. You are the one who needs to learn what facts and opinions mean.

youre right, i don’t know a lot of things since there are a shitload of knowledge out there in the world and i doubt you know even a spec of that knowledge also. youre totally right, you da smartest evah, your opinions are facts and everybody elses opinions don’t mean shit (see what i did there tard). your post was condescending dumbass, like i said, what you took as an insult is up to you, some peoples inner bitch surfaces more easily than others. what i am saying to you tard is that you cant prove naruto is better is bleach, when you posted your statistics which i already knew what the information provided, all you did was state the obvious that more people like naruto, that’s it. hey dumbass, majority doesn’t mean fact, can you understand that or will you just keep bitching? i keep repeating naruto being better than bleach isn’t fact because you obviously keep repeating the same thing of i showed statistics blah blah blah so we can come to the conclusion it is. oh the irony, the amount of grammar mistakes and poorly formed sentences on your part makes you sound like a hypocrite.

its funny how you cant stay on topic, you’ve gotten so upset that you cant force your opinion on me that now you basically have created paragraphs on grammar mistakes, that’s pitiful on your part, im still waiting for you to prove that naruto is better than naruto btw.

its personal preference dumbass, it isn’t fact, because there are others who think otherwise, people can argue preference, not fact. the sells that you showed were facts which were that naruto sold more copies than bleach, which means obviously more people prefer it. from what i read from most people who stopped reading bleach, was that they stopped when the aizen arc ended, they don’t know whats going on currently in bleach; the fullbringer arc was utter shit but for those who kept reading seems to love whats happening now. and again their problems with bleach are their problems, i guess you dont know what is tard is because you were the one who got butthurt when i said bleach shits on naruto currently, but reading your posts i expected more bullshit.

obviously you don’t. and no, youre not baiting me so i can waste my time, nice try. capitalizing words, yes… misspelling, don’t care, this isn’t a school paper. but you should be the last person trying to be a grammar nazi.

your argument? What is that exactly? are you tying to say that YOU think its better, its more popular, your opinion > my opinion? what is your point because you seem to flip flop as the discussion progresses. also what do you think im trying to tell you, because you seem to be confused? and no, your opinion isn’t indisputable, get your head out of your ass and come back to reality.
 

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Gun ichimaru bankai >>>> entire naruto verse lml

Bleach characters r OP even the weak ones they all can teleport only a hand ful of ppl in naruto can do tht lml


Only ppl tht can stand up to bleach characters r


Naruto
Kakashi only cuz he can warp things
Obito only cuz he can't b hit
Madara
The kages (gaara onooki A tsunade not Mei tho)
Orochimaru
Nagato
Sasuke until his Susanno gets broken lml I said it
Bee
Akasuki but only Kisame with samanda itachi if he ain't sick kakazu with all hearts deidara (no to the rest cuz sasori would b obliterated zestu no kohan no hidan no)
Edo Kage (mu gaara daddy 3rd rai 2nd mizukage)


O and hasirama by hype

Okay... I seriously have ask if you're serious?

If so, then ok. Just wondering....
 

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So I never could watch OP. I'm starting to think i'm missing out. But the beginning is so hurtful to watch. The stretchy guy is so annoying to me.
 
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