I still think dsm kakashi can take on current sasuke

[Minator93]

Dafuq is this shit? Kakashi negs Current Sasuke. Kamui Raikiri + Emperor Susasnoo firing Kamui Shurikens is GG all around U_U

 

[mexii58]

DMS kakashi still beat sasuke even with biju ps

sasuke cant even counter successive 2 kamui snipe, his lightening arows get countred by kamui shrukens, his ps neck gets sniped with kamui

thankyou, someone with a little humor nd less fanbyism

Nah, Sasuke would stomp him.
yeah right just like he did madara, kaguya nd naruto
Kaguya did not have a problem with Kamui........ kaguya had a problem with; A dude with a Rinnegan and PS and another kid with a Bijuu avatar both of which received power from the Sage and THEN include Kakashi.

Let's not act like Kakashi was going up against Kaguya by himself.

so u are saying sasuke damaged kaguya more than kakashi?

Kakashi have double speed long kamui, PS shurikens, he can use intangibility to counter any sasuke attack he can also make his entire body intangibile except his arm and use raikiri to pierce him and anyone else but sasg*y fans will always deny that but in my mind yes he can

pretty much this ^

Its 50/50 ofcourse wo bijui chakra

exactlyy,

before the bijuus chakra, sasuke still took it high dif for me. his ps has better slashing dc so it cuts up kakashis and then all thats left so slice him or draw him closer with riine shift and chidori him. with bijuus chakra,means faster ps as seen when he bliz struck narutos avatar and arrows that matched tbb as well as his slashes which should double the power they had before. kakashi beating that is a sad joke imo, sasuke literally negs the guy

sasuke (plot) > kakashi

Lol at people who say kakashi is overwanked just because the op said that DMS kakashi (the same guy who blitzed kaguuya, damaged her and shitted on her portals in one minute) can beat sasuke(the same guy who couldn't touch kaguya through whole chapters) without biju ps, that imply how wanked sasuke is

yes, kakashi still can beat sasuke even with biju ps
sasuke’s new ps is quite overrated, it hasn't the feats that match the hype it got,
I mean, its 3 lightening needles was blocked by 3 ttb, that puts these needles around the level of sasuke’s previous ps chidori, also when ps speedblitzed naruto’s avatar, that was rinn teleportation ,the marks in that panel imply that but people’s problem that they can't even read manga in the first place,however naruto avatar took the blitz with no damage
ps lightening arrows can be countred by kamui shrukens, if sasuke teleported with ps to blitz kakashi’s ps, it will take the blitz with little damage at most, considering that naruto avatart took it with no damage
once sasuke’s s/t is in cooldown after one usage, kamui can snipe his ps head along with sasuke
or kakashi can telepprt behind sasuke inside ps during his s/t cool down and kamui raiki him or absorb him to another dimension

sasuke having More raw power through his ps doesn't mean he wins automatically, for example sakura raw power shits on 1 ms kakashi’s, however kakashi can easily snipe her, though her immense strength

even if he can't beat sasuke, all im sayinng tht he has a damn good chance to beat him

Kakashi is so overwanked ever since the second MS appeared in his eyes.

he's a better user of sharingan than sasuke (can't help it)

 

[QdonEms]

Kakashi's reaction feats arent enough to prove he can react to sasuke.
Kakashi got blitzed by juubi jin madara.
Sasuke blitzed naruto so he blitzes kakashi and thats GG.

 

[mexii58]

This thread is ****ing retard.

Sasuke rape Kakashi mid diff @ most. Dont need to ask why .

Current Sasuke with Bijuu powered PS slaughters Kakashi

This is basic common sense , when u see Sasuke use Chibaku Tensei in the manga . Its obvious that Sasuke > Kakashi .

so u r saying sasuke using CT will help him beat a guy who has intangibility?

 

[mexii58]

Kakashi's reaction feats arent enough to prove he can react to sasuke.
Kakashi got blitzed by juubi jin madara.
Sasuke blitzed naruto so he blitzes kakashi and thats GG.

kakashi was blitz by juubi jin madara when kakashi was exhausted nd had 1 ms, madara can't touch kakashi (2ms, obito's chakra nd rikudo's chakra)

 

[Raykyryn]

Kakashi beats him, of course. Never seen an argument which could have made me believe otherwise.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Kakashi's reaction feats arent enough to prove he can react to sasuke.
Kakashi got blitzed by juubi jin madara.
Sasuke blitzed naruto so he blitzes kakashi and thats GG.

Kakashi reacted to the fastest version of kaguya, something sasuke failed to do multiple times to an inferior version. So please refrain from gg'ing yourself.

 

[mexii58]

not to mention before sasuke going supersaiyan with his susanoo naruto is holding back means he didnt have intend to kill, which obviously kakashi has

 

[Rιver]

Wasn't even including SM Rikudo Naruto vs Regenerating JJ Madara. Lol? And since when did Madara not knowing about their jutsu invalidate the fact that they dominated him? Oh wait, it doesn't. Them not knowing about each other's abilities means just about nothing here as pretty much almost every battle occurs under these situations. Not to mention Madara got blitzed by Sasuke's S/T twice, even though he saw it once before when Sasuke dodged his attack.

Madara blocked the attack with his staff, he didn't get blitzed. He also was regenerating and didn't have Shinju. He was barely strong, and probably weaker than Obito.

RSM Naruto would have gotten blitzed by RG Sasuke with his S/T jutsu that time, but is RG Sasuke >> RSM Naruto? Nope. Madara charged at Sasuke and Sasuke only used his S/T jutsu to evade his attack. The second time he used his Limbo so, no he didn't get blitzed twice.

Also, RSM Naruto has never reacted to the S/T, in fact hardly anyone has except Kaguya, but Kaguya >> anyone in NV.

Unless you think the Naruto and Sasuke who fought him fought against either Naruto or Sasuke at full power, with the team restricted to the jutsu they used against One Eyed Madara, then either one solos him. By feats, and by hype and portrayal. One Eyed Madara being above Naruto and Sasuke now is pretty much wank. Pure wank.

A hard time? They were dominating him the whole fight, which was short since he knew he stood no chance and had to go get his other eye back. And no, him being able to escape doesn't change that. My logic doesn't imply anything, you are trying to get me to imply something that would help your argument. Lol. Stop.

Because one eyed Madara used PS, Rinnegan techniques on bigger scale, Juubi powers etc? He only spammed Limbo. What other than avatars did Naruto have? Exactly, none. What other than PS did Sasuke have? Exactly, none. But Madara has PS that is >>> Kurama avatar/RG PS. So, nope. And his point in getting the eye was also executing the IT, so your point is again moot.

Naruto didn't use Kairiki Muso. He didn't use Shadow Clones. He didn't use Bijuu Dama Rasen Shuriken. I guess those are also Naruto's Avatars amirite? Lmao. Regardless, my point doesn't change with the specifics of what they were holding back, so why mention it? Madara can't even use PS w/o both eyes, as it was stated by

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Full power of Madara's Sharingan=Perfect Susanoo. one eye=No Perfect Susanoo. Madara got shitted on, plain and simple.

Kairiki Musou? lol, What. The thing used to escape some ice? Naruto can only use it to increase his overall stength. Is that going to help him against PS? What.

He used Bunshin, what? But he only didn't equip them with avatars, although we've seen that his avatars provide nothing more than Bijuu Dama and Madara can easily counter them.

Funny, because

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. As far as I know, PS is only a MS technique, lol. Contradiction much?

Irrelevant, cause the Kaguya who fought at that level is still a stronger opponent than Madara. That simple.


Irrelevant as Kaguya not at full power is still a level above Madara, and she was still being held back by Naruto.

Kaguya is a level above Madara because? Are you telling me that not full powered RSM Naruto = not full powered Kaguya > DRG Madara? Because that buddy, makes no sense.

He can make clones of that same Avatar, and he can use the Avatar he just used this chapter, which is leagues above his RSM Avatar, so no, he was holding back some of his powers against Kaguya.

But nonetheless, I never mentioned Naruto holding his power back. I said Naruto was holding Kaguya back on his own, that's a fact.

Which requires preparation. Naruto gets slashed by PS slashes or stalled by Limbo, and any incoming clones get poofed by PS slashes. His PS is on entirely different league.

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, and eradicated by PS.

To achieve Rinnegan you need Asura and Indra's chakra. That is it. Amount is irrelevant, just more nonsense you made up.

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nor does more eyes=more Yin chakra. I suggest you stop making stuff up.

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To achieve Rinnegan you need Asura and Indra's chakra.

This is a reply to the below.

That's not channeling his chakra. Sasuke took the Bijuu and put their chakra inside Susanoo like you'd put the Bijuu into the Mazo. Madara can't do that as the Bijuu's chakra is already inside him, thus he can't remove it. Its not like what Jugo did or what Kakashi did, anyone reading the manga can tell you that.

Lol, his chakra is already what is forming Susanoo, there is no "channeling his chakra through it" Kakashi didn't do that with his PS either, he got Rikudo Senjutsu chakra, which increased the power of his Sharingan, which let him bring out a Perfect Susanoo. That's it.

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Juugo used his Senjutsu and imbued it with Susano'O. Any type of chakra can be imbued with Susano'O as long as it's compatible.

No its not. My point is Sasuke's Susanoo got buffed by merging the Bijuu's chakra with it. Different from the owner's chakra being powered up, which powered up their Susanoo. So no, my point isn't refuted in any way, shape or form.

Above.

Bijuu PS>>>JJ Madara's PS>RG Sasuke's PS>DMS Kakashi's PS>EMS Madara's PS>EMS Sasuke's PS in power. Don't reference size when size=/=power. Sasuke's RG PS isn't even larger than EMS Madara's PS. Lol. Don't even know where you got that from.

At least you agree Madara > Sasuke.

Too bad that's not an argument.

You use levels as an argument, as in Kaguya > Madara, but not when Madara is stronger than Sasuke in all categories possible? So how is Sasuke defeating Madara then?

Fine. Doesn't change my main point anyway.

No, it does. Sasuke cut it, Madara cuts through it even worse and since the main body is not even nearly as durable as the tails Naruto's avatar is sliced clean along with Naruto himself.

Too bad nothing supports this.

Last chapter does.

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Does Mini Bijuu Dama yield a larger explosion than Flash Bijuu Dama? No. BDFRS does as it completely covered and obliterated rocks that dwarf Mountain Ranges. Rocks the same size as the Shinju's root.

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BDFRS is basically a wind Shuriken, Bijuu Dama and Gudo Dama combined. Add that with the fact the explosion is at least comparable, and you have an attack stronger than a standard Bijuu Dama. Thus 9 at a time rape Susanoo, since Naruto can use how many he wants as long as he has the Gudo Dama necessary.

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Shinju is about 5 mountains, this one dwarfed 20 at least.

Gudo Dama doesn't do explosive damage, wind is irrelevant and Bijuu Dama isn't as strong as when done with avatar. And 9 at the same time means they all have to come forward like

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, which they won't be doing considering a slash eradicates every single clone along with real Naruto himself. If he comes with avatars, they get caught and eradicated by PS again. Naruto isn't getting close unless he does something that PS, which he can't since inferior PS tanked Bijuu Dama from point blank range.

And yeah, before you say it since Sasuke was evading BDFRS Naruto won't hit Madara from distance.

When you can give me real evidence that his PS slash is strong enough to one shot multiple Kurama Avatars, then we can talk. Cause all I've seen is blatant ignorance of the manga in your posts.

PS sword cut a tail, and we've seen in the manga that all the energy is focused on the tip of the blade and the slash. Since even a RG PS cut through it, a slash would cut him clean in half.

Or you stop with the fanfiction, like this.

Naruto did the same with his avatars, why not Madara? And he actually, has made Susano'O clones so I don't get why.

 

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That is a tiny bit of chakira stolen from Madara by Obito.

 

[KidGamer65]

Madara blocked the attack with his staff, he didn't get blitzed. He also was regenerating and didn't have Shinju. He was barely strong, and probably weaker than Obito.

Never said he got blitzed, but the bold is nothing but a baseless assumption. Naruto attacked

RSM Naruto would have gotten blitzed by RG Sasuke with his S/T jutsu that time,

1. Speed isn't the only reason why Madara is below. The fact he was doing nothing but getting overwhelmed is proof that he's weaker.

2. RSM Naruto canonically reacted to Sasuke's S/T Jutsu+attack.

Madara charged at Sasuke and Sasuke only used his S/T jutsu to evade his attack.

And ended up with a sword in his chest.

The second time he used his Limbo so, no he didn't get blitzed twice.

After he got hit, not before. Thus that wasn't a reaction. Thus he got blitzed.

Also, RSM Naruto has never reacted to the S/T, in fact hardly anyone has except Kaguya, but Kaguya >> anyone in NV.

Read the manga. He turned around and blocked with his right arm.

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Because one eyed Madara used PS

He can't even do it.

Rinnegan techniques on bigger scale,

He didn't use the Six Path's Jutsu until getting his other eye back.

Juubi powers etc?

Why don't you enlighten me on what these "Juubi powers" are that he didn't use. Lol.

What other than avatars did Naruto have? Exactly, none.

He didn't use Shadow Clones. He didn't use Bijuu Dama Rasen Shuriken. I guess those are also Naruto's Avatars amirite? Kairiki Musou Super Bijuu Rasen Shuriken

Lol. Once again. Are those Avatars? Oh wait, they aren't.

What other than PS did Sasuke have? Exactly, none.

Never said he had anything else. Your point?

But Madara has PS that is >>> Kurama avatar/RG PS. So, nope.

I've failed to see evidence from you that the gap is that large.

And his point in getting the eye was also executing the IT, so your point is again moot.

He was getting beaten, said he can't treat them like some kids, and said he had to get his other eye. If he was strong enough he would have finished him like he pretty much said he was going to do at the end of Chapter 673. So no, my point isn't moot. You're trying to pull every excuse in the book and its not working.

Kairiki Musou? lol, What. The thing used to escape some ice? Naruto can only use it to increase his overall stength. Is that going to help him against PS? What.

Against PS? Who said that I referenced those for against PS specifically? Not when One Eyed Madara can't even use it. You need both eyes to use their full power. Besides, Kaguya's 5 chakra fists tore open Sasuke's Susanoo. Naruto overpowered 1 chakra arm with one chakra enhanced Kairiki Musou punch. Thus he can replicate Kaguya's feat. More punches=Madara's Susanoo being broken open.

He used Bunshin, what? But he only didn't equip them with avatars, although we've seen that his avatars provide nothing more than Bijuu Dama and Madara can easily counter them.

When you get me scans of Naruto and his clones attacking One Eyed Madara then we can talk. Cause there are no scans. Naruto barely did anything in that fight let alone use clones. Are you sure that we are reading the same manga?

-Enhanced durability.
-Enhanced physical strength.

I guess those are both "Just Bijuu Dama" huh?

Funny, because

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. As far as I know, PS is only a MS technique, lol. Contradiction much?

The scan of him as an old man refers to the Sharingan. Lets not try and dispute that. The scan of him and Obito where is a Jin is about the Rinnegan. Madara says he'll get his left eye back Obito says that both Sharingan eyes show their true power when they come together, Madara thought he was talking about his left and right Rinnegan eyes and corrected him, only for Obito to mean he was talking about his own Mangekyo.

There is no contradiction.

Kaguya is a level above Madara because?

-Sasuke knows Madara's strength.
-Says that Kaguya's charka is a level above his, and that someone like her shouldn't exist, because of her strength.

Are you telling me that not full powered RSM Naruto = not full powered Kaguya > DRG Madara? Because that buddy, makes no sense.

I never said RSM Naruto=Kaguya at not full power. Naruto was strong enough to not get fodderized, not strong enough to equal her in combat on his own.

Which requires preparation. Naruto gets slashed by PS slashes or stalled by Limbo, and any incoming clones get poofed by PS slashes. His PS is on entirely different league.

Madara's PS doesn't have the feats, hype, portrayal or the manga evidence supporting its strength that'd lead me to believe it'd fodderize one Kurama Avatar let alone 4. Limbo was getting stalled by 5 Clones without an Avatar. They get slapped away with no effort if they do use the Avatar.

You keep saying his PS is on another league yet there is no evidence supporting this.

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, and eradicated by PS.

When you get me the physical strength feats that'd lead me to believe that his Susanoo can catch the Kurama Avatar and hold it in place, then we can talk. When you get me the sizing evidence for Madara's Susanoo being big enough to do that, then we can talk.

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He said it was so strong that he couldn't handle it, not that there was so much. Not to mention this isn't even a counter to my post. You need Asura and Indra's chakra to awaken it. More eyes does not equal more Yin Chakra as Obito said nothing about amount, he said the chakra was so strong that he couldn't handle it.

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Too bad this scan doesn't illustrate anything of the sort. Obito releasing the Shinju isn't evidence since the Bijuu Chakra never left his body. The Bijuu Chakra reaches the Shinju through its connection to Obito. Once Obito lost the Bijuu, the tree became inanimate. Thus there is no chakra inside the tree itself.

Juugo used his Senjutsu and imbued it with Susano'O. Any type of chakra can be imbued with Susano'O as long as it's compatible.

Which has nothing to do with Madara inserting the Bijuu into his Susanoo like Sasuke did, something he can't do as they are inside of his body.

You use levels as an argument, as in Kaguya > Madara,

Ok.

but not when Madara is stronger than Sasuke in all categories possible? So how is Sasuke defeating Madara then?

Madara isn't stronger than Current Sasuke in all categories possible. That's the thing. You keep saying this and I'm not seeing the evidence.

No, it does. Sasuke cut it, Madara cuts through it even worse and since the main body is not even nearly as durable as the tails Naruto's avatar is sliced clean along with Naruto himself.

Sasuke cut it after a brief exchange. The durability of 9 Tails=/=Durability of one tail alone, which is not as durable as the main body of the Avatar itself. Regardless, all of Madara's sword swings get blocked by the tails so its never cutting the main body. Add 3 other Kurama Avatars and Madara's Susanoo is physically overwhelmed and blown open with multiple Bijuu Dama as I've seen nothing from you that leads me to believe that his Susanoo is far enough above Sasuke's to fodderize 4 Kurama Avatars.

Last chapter does.

Sasuke's PS cutting one tail with multiple slashes=/=Madara cutting the whole Avatar in one slash. The Madara wank in these posts is ridiculous. Plain ridiculous.

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Shinju is about 5 mountains, this one dwarfed 20 at least.

Shinju isn't as wide as 5 Mountains. Its wider than many Mountain Ranges. Fragments of said rocks that were equal to the Shinju in width dwarfed way over 5 Mountains.

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The explosion is greater, adding 5 more only makes it 5x worse.

Gudo Dama doesn't do explosive damage,

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wind is irrelevant and Bijuu Dama isn't as strong as when done with avatar.

Wind=More power. More power is not irrelevant. And evidence for the bold?


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nd 9 at the same time means they all have to come forward like

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, which they won't be doing considering a slash eradicates every single clone along with real Naruto himself. If he comes with avatars, they get caught and eradicated by PS again. Naruto isn't getting close unless he does something that PS, which he can't since inferior PS tanked Bijuu Dama from point blank range.

He doesn't need to come close at all.

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-PS catching the Avatars are nonsense when you literally have no real argument for Madara's Susanoo being as strong as you say.

-The same Kaguya who got blitzed by Naruto evaded Sasuke's PS with ease, Naruto evades Madara's sword and slams it in to his Susanoo even if he does it your way.

-PS can't obliterate the Avatar in one shit, so it'd tank while Naruto slammed Bjiuu Dama RS into PS.

And yeah, before you say it since Sasuke was evading BDFRS Naruto won't hit Madara from distance.

Except Naruto tried not to hit him. So...no. Sasuke isn't evading anything.

PS sword cut a tail,

After multiple hits.

and we've seen in the manga that all the energy is focused on the tip of the blade and the slash.

Not relevant since we aren't comparing anything to the slash, and since we've seen what a slash does to the tails.

Since even a RG PS cut through it, a slash would cut him clean in half.

Stop using this logic. Sasuke's PS needing multiple hits to cut through one tail doesn't mean Madara can cut through the whole damn avatar in one stroke. Makes no sense at all.

Naruto did the same with his avatars, why not Madara?

Naruto is not Madara and the Bijuu Avatar is not the same as Perfect Susanoo.

And he actually, has made Susano'O clones so I don't get why.

He made V3 Susanoo clones when he was a zombie with never ending chakra, and they were weak as shit compared to what they are supposed to be like.