I still think dsm kakashi can take on current sasuke

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Do I really need to explain this?

JJ DRG Madara was about to school both RSM Naruto and RG Sasuke.
Pretty sure you made this up since nothing implies this.


RSM Naruto is nothing special, bar his FRS.
Not an argument or a form of evidence.

Madara has all elements,
Is that supposed to relevant?


PS stronger than Sasuke's,
Bijuu PS>>>Madara's PS>Sasuke's PS. Naruto is about to fight on par with Bijuu PS, so he'd buttrape Madara's PS. He'd beat Madara's PS without his new Asura-esque Avatar. He only needs his Gudo Dama.

all RG techniques, Mokuton techniques
Are any of these supposed to be a factor in this fight?

Bijuu Dama that esily dwarfs Naruto's DC etc.
Too bad he'll never get it off.

Madara would decimate RSM Naruto.
Other way around. After this chapter Madara stands no chance. At all. Its ridiculous that you think Sasuke beats him but Naruto is nowhere near him, even though Naruto is about to fight on par with Sasuke, and he's been fighting on par with him, without going all out this whole battle.
 

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Madara 1 shots naruto with tsuki no mi naruto is not even in his tier
He needs to get close to the moon to do that. His distraction for that was Chibaku Tensei. Naruto can have clones bust them with the Gudo Dama or he can clone his Kurama Avatar and bust them with Bijuu Dama while the original stops Madara with the 3 Headed Avatar.

Madara stands no chance of victory. The only reason I gave him the victory was because of hype and portrayal, but Naruto being on par with someone hyped to be on Rikudo's level means he beats Madara. He barely stood a chance by feats before.
 

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can sasuke even counter 2 successive kamui snipe?

kakashi can counter all sasuke’s attacks and using 2 successive kamui snipe will end this fight
 

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He needs to get close to the moon to do that. His distraction for that was Chibaku Tensei. Naruto can have clones bust them with the Gudo Dama or he can clone his Kurama Avatar and bust them with Bijuu Dama while the original stops Madara with the 3 Headed Avatar.

Madara stands no chance of victory. The only reason I gave him the victory was because of hype and portrayal, but Naruto being on par with someone hyped to be on Rikudo's level means he beats Madara. He barely stood a chance by feats before.
Madara got this high in a single panel

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naruto aint catching shit
 

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Current Sasuke........... yet you restrict his abilities in hopes it gives Kakashi a chance?

Pretty much sums up how you really feel about this 'match-up',
 

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Do I really need to explain this?

JJ DRG Madara was about to school both RSM Naruto and RG Sasuke.
No he wasnt, he used pretty much everything in his arsenal, yet naruto and sasuke countered it with ease, not to mention that naruto and sasuke didnt even display half of their power by that time,
had the fight prolonged, then the result wouldve been nothing short of madara getting slaughtered
RSM Naruto is nothing special, bar his FRS.
Lol base rikudo naruto one-shottd the God Tree with his YRS, kicked his TSB like it was a football, and evaded his Limbo through his pure reflexes, RSM Narutos firepower takes a dump on madaras durability

Madara has all elements
this is not even worth mentioning, its utmost fodder

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PS stronger than Sasuke's, all RG techniques, Mokuton techniques,
--Lol Sasukes BPS takes a dump on Madaras, and naruto would be fighting on par with iit,,and even if madaras PS is superior, naruto would still shit on it with BDRS and BRS

--Lol Limbo was countered by each one of narutos KB, they are sensed, their attacks are evaded and seeing howw naruto can form several clones, means that the limbos are getting gangbanged and sealed off,

--Lol the mokuton techs are not worth mentioning either, especially infront of narutos firepower

Bijuu Dama that esily dwarfs Naruto's DC etc.
For that madara needs to form the tree, meaning that it gives naruto more than enough time to destroy the tree with BRS or BDRS
so madara wont even get any chance on firing them,

Madara would decimate RSM Naruto.
Lol no he wont, especially not now seeing how naruto has shown the speed to be able to blitz madara, as well as the fact that he has surpassed him in terms of feats, portrayal and hype,

 
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Pretty sure you made this up since nothing implies this.



Not an argument or a form of evidence.


Is that supposed to relevant?
Except that he stated he was going to finish them? Mkay.

Bijuu PS>>>Madara's PS>Sasuke's PS. Naruto is about to fight on par with Bijuu PS, so he'd buttrape Madara's PS. He'd beat Madara's PS without his new Asura-esque Avatar. He only needs his Gudo Dama.
What? Wait what? Where did you get this? Because, RG Sasuke doesn't have PS comparable to Madara's. Bijuu PS shouldn't be stronger as Madara has Bijuu inside him as well, both Rinnegan and samsāra. You got this from thin air.


Are any of these supposed to be a factor in this fight?



Too bad he'll never get it off.



Other way around. After this chapter Madara stands no chance. At all. Its ridiculous that you think Sasuke beats him but Naruto is nowhere near him, even though Naruto is about to fight on par with Sasuke, and he's been fighting on par with him, without going all out this whole battle.
Nope. RSM Naruto gets decimated. He needs to gather chakra, and by that time Madara summons Juubi, few CT rocks and obliterates Naruto with Juubi Dama.

Don't know if serious. It doesn't matter what Sasuke said because, he didn't keep up with Sasuke at all. RG Sasuke was obviously dominant and Bijuu PS wrecked his clones as well as casually busted Naruto's avatar with CQC kicks. RSM Naruto is nowhere near their level it's pretty clear. RSM Naruto would have fought on par with RG Sasuke but current wrecks Naruto.

Also, Naruto only didn't want to kill him. But that doesn't mean he'd lower his defense. It was at it's best. Was it enough? Nope. As seen how Sasuke schooled him this chapter.
 

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14 year old MS Obito > EMS Sasuke

Sasuke got a Rinnegan power-up? Great! Add another MS, make the character an adult, and give him the Sage's chakra. I think it's obvious who'd win (bolded).
 

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Kakashi still solos. Kamui GG faster than Kaguya's S/T portal that already blitzed Sasuke. Kamui Raikiri with speed and hax that blitzed Kaguya while a weaker Kaguya could dodge Sasuke's Rinnegan S/T + Chidori with ease. All of Sasuke's destructive power is useless with Kamui teleporting and phasing. Kakashi is also a lot smarter.

Sasuke is ****ing powerful, no one denies it. Who does is biased. But mere power, as strong as it is, is useless to fight Kamui. An atomic bomb or a basical Katon ninjutsu are the same time to phasing. His S/T can be easily countered while he can't do the same against Kamui that outperformed a S/T that trolled Sasuke himself.
 

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Except that he stated he was going to finish them? Mkay.
You and I have been doing this for long enough to know that Madara stating he'll beat Naruto and Sasuke isn't evidence that he would have defeated them, let alone handily. He was going to beat them when he had one eye, did he do that? Oh wait, no. He got whooped.



What? Wait what? Where did you get this? Because, RG Sasuke doesn't have PS comparable to Madara's. Bijuu PS shouldn't be stronger as Madara has Bijuu inside him as well, both Rinnegan and samsāra. You got this from thin air.
1. "And Samsara?" Rinnegan is Samsara.

2. Rinnegan doesn't power up PS, so why are you mentioning it?

3. Madara has Bijuu in his body. Sasuke has the Bijuu in his Susanoo. Extremely big difference. The only thing powering up Madara's Susanoo is Rikudo Senjutsu Chakra. Sasuke already had Hagoromo's chakra, half of his chakra, all of his Yin, powering up his Susanoo before getting the Bijuu.

Nope. I got it from feats and simple logic. Bijuu PS>

Nope. RSM Naruto gets decimated. He needs to gather chakra, and by that time Madara summons Juubi, few CT rocks and obliterates Naruto with Juubi Dama.
Gather chakra for what? The Asura Avatar? Because Manga made it clear that he can fight and gather at the same time due to having clones. Bijuu PS Sasuke couldn't kill Naruto before he did this, Madara isn't doing jack.

Juubi Dama is useless since Gudo Dama negates it, not to mention summoning the Juubi for combat is nothing but fanfic. CT was busted by a weaker Naruto, now he can use clones, who can use his Gudo Dama and his Kurama Avatar. CT isn't doing anything here either.

Don't know if serious. It doesn't matter what Sasuke said because, he didn't keep up with Sasuke at all. RG Sasuke was obviously dominant and Bijuu PS wrecked his clones as well as casually busted Naruto's avatar with CQC kicks. RSM Naruto is nowhere near their level it's pretty clear. RSM Naruto would have fought on par with RG Sasuke but current wrecks Naruto.
That's what I'm thinking to myself right now. Not sure if serious. Everything you talked about was Naruto before he took in Nature Energy, yet you are using this as your basis for Current Sasuke>>>RSM Naruto? Really now? Did you think that this would hold or something?

Current Naruto takes a dump on Madara by feats.

Also, Naruto only didn't want to kill him. But that doesn't mean he'd lower his defense. It was at it's best. Was it enough? Nope. As seen how Sasuke schooled him this chapter.
Read above buddy. Read above.


Madara got this high in a single panel




naruto aint catching shit
Wow...2014 and you people never stop with the joke argumentation. Kaguya>Madara in speed. Naruto blitzed her, so do the math. Madara breaking away from him is laughable at best. The whole point of CT was to be a distraction while he set up IT, not to mention Naruto didn't know that he could fly back then.
 

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You and I have been doing this for long enough to know that Madara stating he'll beat Naruto and Sasuke isn't evidence that he would have defeated them, let alone handily. He was going to beat them when he had one eye, did he do that? Oh wait, no. He got whooped.
No, he didn't say that. He said that he was the strongest but didn't underestimate them and rushed to get his Rinnegan back. One eyed Madara is likely on par with them. Again, double RG Madara schools wrecks them utmost ease. It isn't a fight.

1. "And Samsara?" Rinnegan is Samsara.

2. Rinnegan doesn't power up PS, so why are you mentioning it?

3. Madara has Bijuu in his body. Sasuke has the Bijuu in his Susanoo. Extremely big difference. The only thing powering up Madara's Susanoo is Rikudo Senjutsu Chakra. Sasuke already had Hagoromo's chakra, half of his chakra, all of his Yin, powering up his Susanoo before getting the Bijuu.

Nope. I got it from feats and simple logic. Bijuu PS>
1. I mean the tomoed Rinnegan.

2. Wait, so Sasuke powered his Susano'O through what? Rinnegan grants greater chakra thus greater Susano'O as Hagoromo stated. His Susano'O >>> any bar Bijuu PS.

3. Nope, at least not the way you say it is. Sasuke got bigger Susano'O over times, especially after Yin powerup but did he have the power where? In his body hence why he had Hermit chakra. When DMS Kakashi got boost in Dojutsu where was Hermit power located? In his body hence why he got black Raikiri. When Kakashi got 3x boost from Naruto where was the chakra located? In his body. Madara's PS would not be any inferior when compared to Sasuke's no way.

Gather chakra for what? The Asura Avatar? Because Manga made it clear that he can fight and gather at the same time due to having clones. Bijuu PS Sasuke couldn't kill Naruto before he did this, Madara isn't doing jack.

Juubi Dama is useless since Gudo Dama negates it, not to mention summoning the Juubi for combat is nothing but fanfic. CT was busted by a weaker Naruto, now he can use clones, who can use his Gudo Dama and his Kurama Avatar. CT isn't doing anything here either.
Any version below that gets decimated in mere seconds. We've seen clearly that a much inferior PS from Sasuke destroyed the most durable part of the avatar, tails without much of effort. A slash or two cuts up Naruto and his avatar.

Because Obito hasn't? I perhaps said it wrong. I'm talking about the tree. No, Juubi Dama was negated because Obito wanted so. He can add Senjutsu through will. It's obvious.

That's what I'm thinking to myself right now. Not sure if serious. Everything you talked about was Naruto before he took in Nature Energy, yet you are using this as your basis for Current Sasuke>>>RSM Naruto? Really now? Did you think that this would hold or something?

Current Naruto takes a dump on Madara by feats.
Senjutsu won't put him at equal standing. We all know current Sasuke destroys Sasuke with Senjutsu or not, no need to go up against that fact. Until RSM Naruto shows more feats he's the weakest link.

Yeah, nope.
 

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No, he didn't say that. He said that he was the strongest but didn't underestimate them and rushed to get his Rinnegan back. One eyed Madara is likely on par with them. Again, double RG Madara schools wrecks them utmost ease. It isn't a fight.
He fought them. Unless you are dense enough to believe that before he decided to get his eye back, he wasn't fighting to kill, then everything I said is valid. He fought them to see who would be the strongest (Thus victory) and got spanked, thus had to get his other eye.

-In what universe does One Eyed Madara getting shitted on by a Naruto and Sasuke fighting nowhere near full power translate to him being on par with them? The way you are twisting the manga is ridiculous.

-Nothing from your argument, or the manga implies that Madara would have schooled Naruto and Sasuke. Nothing at all. Even Kaguya opted to split them up, Naruto himself held her back for a while, yet we have you over here, saying Madara solos them both at full power with low diff.

Get that nonsense out of here.



1. I mean the tomoed Rinnegan.
And what exactly does that do for him power wise? Nothing from what I've seen.

2. Wait, so Sasuke powered his Susano'O through what? Rinnegan grants greater chakra thus greater Susano'O as Hagoromo stated. His Susano'O >>> any bar Bijuu PS.
Hagoromo's Yin Chakra. Rinnegan grants nothing. Rinnegan is what is granted when you get Hagoromo's chakra. (Asura+Indra)

Uh, pretty sure I already stated that.

3. Nope, at least not the way you say it is. Sasuke got bigger Susano'O over times, especially after Yin powerup but did he have the power where? In his body hence why he had Hermit chakra. When DMS Kakashi got boost in Dojutsu where was Hermit power located? In his body hence why he got black Raikiri. When Kakashi got 3x boost from Naruto where was the chakra located? In his body
Irrelevant. As I never said that having the chakra won't power him up, (It does, via Rikudo Senjutsu and that is it) I only said that fusing Susanoo with the Bijuu's chakra by using it as a substitute for the Gedo=/=Using Susanoo while having all 9 Bijuu's chakra. All 9 Bijuu's chakra isn't inside Madara's Susanoo, its just his chakra. Nothing more, nothing less.

Nothing even begins to imply there is such a large gap when Sasuke has half of Rikudo's Yin powering his Susanoo, and Madara has Rikudo Senjutsu (Power of the Juubi, or 9 Bijuu+Rikudo Chakra) powering his Susanoo.





Any version below that gets decimated in mere seconds. We've seen clearly that a much inferior PS from Sasuke destroyed the most durable part of the avatar, tails without much of effort. A slash or two cuts up Naruto and his avatar.
The most durable part? It took a short exchange and Naruto lost a tail while Sasuke lost his sword. Did you even read that fight? Without much effort? Lol. Madara's PS can beat one Avatar, but then Naruto makes 6 and begins to shit on him. Or he forgets about the Avatar and nukes Madara's Susanoo with his BDFRS via his Gudo Dama.

Because Obito hasn't? I perhaps said it wrong. I'm talking about the tree. No, Juubi Dama was negated because Obito wanted so. He can add Senjutsu through will. It's obvious.
Should have specified it was the tree. Regardless, the tree gets obliterated before it ever fires the Bijuu Dama anyway. Though Madara dies with him if it does fire, so its a tie, as Madara can't withstand Juubidama, nor can he negate it since its Ninjutsu.


Senjutsu won't put him at equal standing. We all know current Sasuke destroys Sasuke with Senjutsu or not, no need to go up against that fact. Until RSM Naruto shows more feats he's the weakest link.
Just more unsubstantiated nonsense from you. Only the most deluded reader would believe Sasuke is going to stomp Naruto from here on out. This battle is going to continue, and I have zero reason to believe its going to end in a stomp, your unsubstantiated opinions aren't going to change that.
 
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He fought them. Unless you are dense enough to believe that before he decided to get his eye back, he wasn't fighting to kill, then everything I said is valid. He fought them to see who would be the strongest (Thus victory) and got spanked, thus had to get his other eye.

-In what universe does One Eyed Madara getting shitted on by a Naruto and Sasuke fighting nowhere near full power translate to him being on par with them? The way you are twisting the manga is ridiculous.

-Nothing from your argument, or the manga implies that Madara would have schooled Naruto and Sasuke. Nothing at all. Even Kaguya opted to split them up, Naruto himself held her back for a while, yet we have you over here, saying Madara solos them both at full power with low diff.

Get that nonsense out of here.
Didn't get spanked. He only fled away because they still had a high chance to seal him, and he didn't know their abilities to the full extent. There were two of them, of course they were superior. On 1vs1, that's a different story.

You're only comparing both of them to one eyed Madara, when I'm comparing just RSM Naruto. One eyed > Sasuke/Naruto. DRG >> both.

Because 1. she didn't want to kill them 2. one touch would seal her for eternity. If she went full out, she would have decimated them both. But DMS Kakashi saved them.

And what exactly does that do for him power wise? Nothing from what I've seen.


Hagoromo's Yin Chakra. Rinnegan grants nothing. Rinnegan is what is granted when you get Hagoromo's chakra. (Asura+Indra)

Uh, pretty sure I already stated that.



Irrelevant. As I never said that having the chakra won't power him up, (It does, via Rikudo Senjutsu and that is it) I only said that fusing Susanoo with the Bijuu's chakra by using it as a substitute for the Gedo=/=Using Susanoo while having all 9 Bijuu's chakra. All 9 Bijuu's chakra isn't inside Madara's Susanoo, its just his chakra. Nothing more, nothing less.

Nothing even begins to imply there is such a large gap when Sasuke has half of Rikudo's Yin powering his Susanoo, and Madara has Rikudo Senjutsu (Power of the Juubi, or 9 Bijuu+Rikudo Chakra) powering his Susanoo.
Tomoed Rinnegan grants greater Yin.

Exactly. DMS Kakashi stated that his chakra enhances Dojutsu capabilities. Madara has greater Yin, Bijuu and overall chakra reserves than any version of Sasuke, so logically his PS would dwarf Sasuke's.

RG Sasuke's PS is nowhere near Madara's PS, better would be comparing Bijuu PS.

The most durable part? It took a short exchange and Naruto lost a tail while Sasuke lost his sword. Did you even read that fight? Without much effort? Lol. Madara's PS can beat one Avatar, but then Naruto makes 6 and begins to shit on him. Or he forgets about the Avatar and nukes Madara's Susanoo with his BDFRS via his Gudo Dama.



Should have specified it was the tree. Regardless, the tree gets obliterated before it ever fires the Bijuu Dama anyway. Though Madara dies with him if it does fire, so its a tie, as Madara can't withstand Juubidama, nor can he negate it since its Ninjutsu.
Sasuke lost his sword? Nope. All we can see from the panels, is that Naruto's tail is destroyed but Sasuke has sheathed swords on his waistband. He probably sheathed his sword right after the exchange, because you can't see Susano'O crackles on the water. Madara's PS cuts through him like butter.

Nope, his slash is wide. And we've already seen that one Susano'O can stalemate or overpower his avatars. And nope, again. Sasuke's RG PS has tanked multiple explosions and hasn't gotten destroyed Madara's slash destroys them and PS tanks the BDRFS's explosion. Madara can also send Limbo clones to stall them and he destroys Naruto with a Juubi Dama from up in the air.

Kurama's most durable part are his tails.

Just more unsubstantiated nonsense from you. Only the most deluded reader would believe Sasuke is going to stomp Naruto from here on out. This battle is going to continue, and I have zero reason to believe its going to end in a stomp, your unsubstantiated opinions aren't going to change that.
lol, Okay.
 

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Didn't get spanked. He only fled away because they still had a high chance to seal him, and he didn't know their abilities to the full extent. There were two of them, of course they were superior. On 1vs1, that's a different story.
Lol, he fought them, was getting beaten with ease, and had to go get his other eye as a result. Wording it differently isn't going to change what happened.

You're only comparing both of them to one eyed Madara, when I'm comparing just RSM Naruto. One eyed > Sasuke/Naruto. DRG >> both.
One Eyed Madara gets shitted on by a full power Naruto or Sasuke. They fought nowhere near their full powers, and Madara still ran from them. Not even including their current powers, any one of them at full power would destroy the Naruto/Sasuke team that fought Madara, if the team was restricted to the moves they used during that fight.

Because 1. she didn't want to kill them
Nope. That was because In this state, she is still a level above Madara yet she decided to split them up, yet you think that Madara is going to stomp them. Laughable indeed. What she could do afterwards is irrelevant cause in the state where she had to split them up, Naruto was still holding her back (Before and After she made her decision to kill them both) and in that state, she was still stronger than Madara.

2. one touch would seal her for eternity. If she went full out, she would have decimated them both. But DMS Kakashi saved them.
How does that change anything above? What she did after she powered up for the final time is irrelevant since the whole time before that, she was still superior to Madara and Sasuke/Naruto were still hard for her to deal with it, and Naruto was still holding her back on his own.


Tomoed Rinnegan grants greater Yin.
Gonna need evidence. Cause the Rinnegan grants nothing. Its the other way around. Hagoromo's chakra grants Rinnegan.

Exactly. DMS Kakashi stated that his chakra enhances Dojutsu capabilities. Madara has greater Yin,
Based on what does Madara have more Yin chakra than Hagoromo? Oh wait, he doesn't.

Irrelevant as the Bijuu chakra isn't in his Susanoo nor is it directly merged like Sasuke's was, different things, stop trying to equate them. The only way the Bijuu have anything to do with his Susanoo is Rikudo Senjutsu.

and overall chakra reserves than any version of Sasuke, so logically his PS would dwarf Sasuke's.
Chakra reserves=/=Susanoo strength. So no, logically, Madara's PS isn't going to dwarf Sasuke's, it isn't even going to be that much stronger let alone dwarfing his.

RG Sasuke's PS is nowhere near Madara's PS, better would be comparing Bijuu PS.
Based on what?

Sasuke lost his sword? Nope. All we can see from the panels, is that Naruto's tail is destroyed but Sasuke has sheathed swords on his waistband. He probably sheathed his sword right after the exchange, because you can't see Susano'O crackles on the water. Madara's PS cuts through him like butter.


1 sword on the left, no sword on the right.

No sword.


No sword.


Sasuke has no sheaths on his waistband, they are both on the wings of his Susanoo, and you only see one sheathed and no sword in either hand.

So no, he lost his sword. Madara isn't cutting through shit like butter. He only has one thing amping his Susanoo, rikudo Senjutsu. No reason for me to believe that its so far above RG Sasuke's that it'll rape multiple Kurama Avatars.


Nope, his slash is wide. And we've already seen that one Susano'O can stalemate or overpower his avatars.
Sasuke's Bijuu Susanoo can overpower Naruto's Avatar(s). Madara's is nowhere near that, so don't bother mentioning it. So no, Naruto's Kurama Avatars hold off the Susanoo and Naruto destroys the tree.

And nope, again. Sasuke's RG PS has tanked multiple explosions and hasn't gotten destroyed
Fanfic. Sasuke flew past the BD before they exploded. 1 BDFRS>1 Standard Bijuu Dama from Naruto's Kurama Avatar, yet Sasuke's PS took damage from the standard Bijuu Dama. [ ] So no, he didn't tank anything. 1 would do heavy damage to his Susanoo considering 1 Standard did what it did in the manga. 2 would obliterate it and kill Sasuke, yet you think he tanked 6....lmfao..my sides.

Madara's slash destroys them and PS tanks the BDRFS's explosion.
He can't one shot one of them on his own let alone 3 or 4. Multiple BDFRS obliterates him.


Madara can also send Limbo clones to stall them and he destroys Naruto with a Juubi Dama from up in the air.
The same clones that were getting stalemated by Naruto's own clones? With Rasengan and Taijutsu? Yeah, not happening. If they try to engage the Kurama Avatar clones, they get squashed...or Naruto just makes more clones for them, thus his attempt to stall them is useless.

And Madara needs to be on the ground to use Juubi Dama if he's using the tree.
 

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Why is this being discussed? The only thing Kakashi ever had going for him was Kamui Shuriken and Enton is a hard counter..
-Pre-Bijuu's Sasuke rapes him low-mid diff since his Susano is far stronger due to more Rikudo chakra.
-Post-Bijuu absorption Sasuke neg diff's without even trying. He can shoot 3 Raiton projecticles without pulling a bow, Kamui Shuriken bye bye.
-Pre and post-Bijuu absorption PS have massive feats. Remind me of Kakashi's PS's strength feats again?
-Kamui cannot reach something behind Susano since it's in the LoS. Can you focus on thin air? No. Can Kakashi Kamui the inside of your chakra network? No. Can he Kamui Sasuke inside his PS? No.
 

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Lol, he fought them, was getting beaten with ease, and had to go get his other eye as a result. Wording it differently isn't going to change what happened.
Cutting up a Juubi Jin, tricking him with a technique never seen in the manga and sudden blitz while regenerating from Yagai doesn't count as getting beaten with ease. It's no different from Sasuke used against Itachi with a Kirin. They used abilities they should not have had.

One Eyed Madara gets shitted on by a full power Naruto or Sasuke. They fought nowhere near their full powers, and Madara still ran from them. Not even including their current powers, any one of them at full power would destroy the Naruto/Sasuke team that fought Madara, if the team was restricted to the moves they used during that fight.
What you fail to see, is that you say he gets stomped by anyone of them because both of them were giving him a hard time. By your logic Madara should not have even been able to flee from the fight, but he was. And no, only techniques they weren't using were avatars or Susano'O, but neither did Madara. And that's still just one eyed.

Nope. That was because In this state, she is still a level above Madara yet she decided to split them up, yet you think that Madara is going to stomp them. Laughable indeed. What she could do afterwards is irrelevant cause in the state where she had to split them up, Naruto was still holding her back (Before and After she made her decision to kill them both) and in that state, she was still stronger than Madara.
Yeah, but did she again want to kill them? Nope. Didn't go full out even when she fought against both of them and they couldn't even touch her.

Full powered Kaguya >>>> both Naruto and Sasuke.

How does that change anything above? What she did after she powered up for the final time is irrelevant since the whole time before that, she was still superior to Madara and Sasuke/Naruto were still hard for her to deal with it, and Naruto was still holding her back on his own.
Yeah, and? No, Naruto wasn't really holding back the only thing he didn't use was his avatars but they would get busted with chakra arms casually so they were irrelevant since RSM avatar = PS, and PS was like glass to Kaguya.

Gonna need evidence. Cause the Rinnegan grants nothing. Its the other way around. Hagoromo's chakra grants Rinnegan.
To achieve Rinnegan, you have to have enough Yin, so the way it goes doesn't matter as you have to have vast chakra level to achieve it.

Based on what does Madara have more Yin chakra than Hagoromo? Oh wait, he doesn't.
Madara got three Rinnegan's, Hagoromo two. Do the math.

Irrelevant as the Bijuu chakra isn't in his Susanoo nor is it directly merged like Sasuke's was, different things, stop trying to equate them. The only way the Bijuu have anything to do with his Susanoo is Rikudo Senjutsu.
Why can't he do the same as Sasuke? The only thing he needs to do, is channel his chakra through Susano'O. Just like Juugo did to Sasuke's avatar. Just like Kakashi did to his PS.

Chakra reserves=/=Susanoo strength. So no, logically, Madara's PS isn't going to dwarf Sasuke's, it isn't even going to be that much stronger let alone dwarfing his.
Yeah, Hagoromo's chakra enhanced Kakashi's Dojutsu so your point is there refuted. JJ DRG Madara PS > Bijuu PS > JJ RG Madara > RG Sasuke PS = DMS Kakashi PS > EMS Madara PS > EMS Sasuke PS in terms of size, so yeah. Madara has always been a level higher, him being a Juubi Jin dwarfs any PS we've seen in manga.

Based on what?
Considering Madara is >>>>> in every category possible.



1 sword on the left, no sword on the right.

No sword.


No sword.


Sasuke has no sheaths on his waistband, they are both on the wings of his Susanoo, and you only see one sheathed and no sword in either hand.

So no, he lost his sword. Madara isn't cutting through shit like butter. He only has one thing amping his Susanoo, rikudo Senjutsu. No reason for me to believe that its so far above RG Sasuke's that it'll rape multiple Kurama Avatars.
Nope, those scans won't be working. We don't see the other wing perfectly in any scans, and he could have just sheathed it. Then, you show me a the wing which just got collided with Bijuu Dama, using Chidori. Also, there's no point in having a sword and doing a Chidori at the same time.

Sasuke's Bijuu Susanoo can overpower Naruto's Avatar(s). Madara's is nowhere near that, so don't bother mentioning it. So no, Naruto's Kurama Avatars hold off the Susanoo and Naruto destroys the tree.
One slash is all.

Fanfic. Sasuke flew past the BD before they exploded. 1 BDFRS>1 Standard Bijuu Dama from Naruto's Kurama Avatar, yet Sasuke's PS took damage from the standard Bijuu Dama. [ ] So no, he didn't tank anything. 1 would do heavy damage to his Susanoo considering 1 Standard did what it did in the manga. 2 would obliterate it and kill Sasuke, yet you think he tanked 6....lmfao..my sides.
No reason to believe RSM Naruto's BDFRS is greater than standard Bijuu Dama which is used with avatar in conjunction, it's like saying mini BD is greater than BM Naruto's flash Bijuu Dama.

He can't one shot one of them on his own let alone 3 or 4. Multiple BDFRS obliterates him.
Madara can use PS slash to destroy all of them.

The same clones that were getting stalemated by Naruto's own clones? With Rasengan and Taijutsu? Yeah, not happening. If they try to engage the Kurama Avatar clones, they get squashed...or Naruto just makes more clones for them, thus his attempt to stall them is useless.

And Madara needs to be on the ground to use Juubi Dama if he's using the tree.
Or Madara makes clones and they all use PS to squash Naruto's clones.
 

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This thread is ****ing retard.

Sasuke rape Kakashi mid diff @ most. Dont need to ask why .

Current Sasuke with Bijuu powered PS slaughters Kakashi

This is basic common sense , when u see Sasuke use Chibaku Tensei in the manga . Its obvious that Sasuke > Kakashi .
 

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Cutting up a Juubi Jin, tricking him with a technique never seen in the manga and sudden blitz while regenerating from Yagai doesn't count as getting beaten with ease. It's no different from Sasuke used against Itachi with a Kirin. They used abilities they should not have had.
Wasn't even including SM Rikudo Naruto vs Regenerating JJ Madara. Lol? And since when did Madara not knowing about their jutsu invalidate the fact that they dominated him? Oh wait, it doesn't. Them not knowing about each other's abilities means just about nothing here as pretty much almost every battle occurs under these situations. Not to mention Madara got blitzed by Sasuke's S/T twice, even though he saw it once before when Sasuke dodged his attack.



What you fail to see, is that you say he gets stomped by anyone of them because both of them were giving him a hard time. By your logic Madara should not have even been able to flee from the fight, but he was.
Unless you think the Naruto and Sasuke who fought him fought against either Naruto or Sasuke at full power, with the team restricted to the jutsu they used against One Eyed Madara, then either one solos him. By feats, and by hype and portrayal. One Eyed Madara being above Naruto and Sasuke now is pretty much wank. Pure wank.

A hard time? They were dominating him the whole fight, which was short since he knew he stood no chance and had to go get his other eye back. And no, him being able to escape doesn't change that. My logic doesn't imply anything, you are trying to get me to imply something that would help your argument. Lol. Stop.

And no, only techniques they weren't using were avatars or Susano'O, but neither did Madara. And that's still just one eyed.
Naruto didn't use Kairiki Muso. He didn't use Shadow Clones. He didn't use Bijuu Dama Rasen Shuriken. I guess those are also Naruto's Avatars amirite? Lmao. Regardless, my point doesn't change with the specifics of what they were holding back, so why mention it? Madara can't even use PS w/o both eyes, as it was stated by Full power of Madara's Sharingan=Perfect Susanoo. one eye=No Perfect Susanoo. Madara got shitted on, plain and simple.

Yeah, but did she again want to kill them? Nope. Didn't go full out even when she fought against both of them and they couldn't even touch her.
Irrelevant, cause the Kaguya who fought at that level is still a stronger opponent than Madara. That simple.

Full powered Kaguya >>>> both Naruto and Sasuke.
Irrelevant as Kaguya not at full power is still a level above Madara, and she was still being held back by Naruto.

Yeah, and? No, Naruto wasn't really holding back the only thing he didn't use was his avatars but they would get busted with chakra arms casually so they were irrelevant since RSM avatar = PS, and PS was like glass to Kaguya.
He can make clones of that same Avatar, and he can use the Avatar he just used this chapter, which is leagues above his RSM Avatar, so no, he was holding back some of his powers against Kaguya.

But nonetheless, I never mentioned Naruto holding his power back. I said Naruto was holding Kaguya back on his own, that's a fact.



To achieve Rinnegan, you have to have enough Yin, so the way it goes doesn't matter as you have to have vast chakra level to achieve it.
To achieve Rinnegan you need Asura and Indra's chakra. That is it. Amount is irrelevant, just more nonsense you made up.


Madara got three Rinnegan's, Hagoromo two. Do the math.
nor does more eyes=more Yin chakra. I suggest you stop making stuff up.

Why can't he do the same as Sasuke? The only thing he needs to do, is channel his chakra through Susano'O. Just like Juugo did to Sasuke's avatar. Just like Kakashi did to his PS.
That's not channeling his chakra. Sasuke took the Bijuu and put their chakra inside Susanoo like you'd put the Bijuu into the Mazo. Madara can't do that as the Bijuu's chakra is already inside him, thus he can't remove it. Its not like what Jugo did or what Kakashi did, anyone reading the manga can tell you that.

Lol, his chakra is already what is forming Susanoo, there is no "channeling his chakra through it" Kakashi didn't do that with his PS either, he got Rikudo Senjutsu chakra, which increased the power of his Sharingan, which let him bring out a Perfect Susanoo. That's it.


Yeah, Hagoromo's chakra enhanced Kakashi's Dojutsu so your point is there refuted.
No its not. My point is Sasuke's Susanoo got buffed by merging the Bijuu's chakra with it. Different from the owner's chakra being powered up, which powered up their Susanoo. So no, my point isn't refuted in any way, shape or form.

JJ DRG Madara PS > Bijuu PS > JJ RG Madara > RG Sasuke PS = DMS Kakashi PS > EMS Madara PS > EMS Sasuke PS in terms of size, so yeah. Madara has always been a level higher, him being a Juubi Jin dwarfs any PS we've seen in manga.
Bijuu PS>>>JJ Madara's PS>RG Sasuke's PS>DMS Kakashi's PS>EMS Madara's PS>EMS Sasuke's PS in power. Don't reference size when size=/=power. Sasuke's RG PS isn't even larger than EMS Madara's PS. Lol. Don't even know where you got that from.


Considering Madara is >>>>> in every category possible.
Too bad that's not an argument.

Nope, those scans won't be working. We don't see the other wing perfectly in any scans, and he could have just sheathed it. Then, you show me a the wing which just got collided with Bijuu Dama, using Chidori. Also, there's no point in having a sword and doing a Chidori at the same time.
Fine. Doesn't change my main point anyway.


One slash is all.
Too bad nothing supports this.



No reason to believe RSM Naruto's BDFRS is greater than standard Bijuu Dama which is used with avatar in conjunction, it's like saying mini BD is greater than BM Naruto's flash Bijuu Dama.
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Does Mini Bijuu Dama yield a larger explosion than Flash Bijuu Dama? No. BDFRS does as it completely covered and obliterated rocks that dwarf Mountain Ranges. Rocks the same size as the Shinju's root.



BDFRS is basically a wind Shuriken, Bijuu Dama and Gudo Dama combined. Add that with the fact the explosion is at least comparable, and you have an attack stronger than a standard Bijuu Dama. Thus 9 at a time rape Susanoo, since Naruto can use how many he wants as long as he has the Gudo Dama necessary.


Madara can use PS slash to destroy all of them.
When you can give me real evidence that his PS slash is strong enough to one shot multiple Kurama Avatars, then we can talk. Cause all I've seen is blatant ignorance of the manga in your posts.


Or Madara makes clones and they all use PS to squash Naruto's clones.
Or you stop with the fanfiction, like this.
 
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