Reaction speed can counter footspeed. Nagato hasn't shown the footspeed equal to V2 bee but he caught bee. How? With his equal reaction speed. How did jugo react to V1 A? With reaction speed. You get my point. Hashi has EMS madara level reaction speed.
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I can agree with this. Minato never paced with Rinne madara, though. Nor did Tobirama with Shunshin. Tobirama blindspotted Madara with Hiraishin.
Raikage was surprised and yes KCM naruto is faster than Minato. Minato couldnt dodge A's full punch, He escaped with Hiraishin. So KCM naruto is faster than Minato. There is no contradiction here because cee was talking about Reaction speed. Not footspeed. Minato's Reaction speed = Base A Reaction speed. Lightened A reaction is faster.
According to Data book, Minato is called Fastest because of his Hiraishin. Not shunshin, though.
I dont disagree to the fact Minato is faster than Hashi. Of course he is indeed faster. But my point is, Hashirana have the Reaction to react to Minato's Shunshin and Foot speed.
He was fighting hand to hand with Madara who had EMS precognition as you know. If he couldnt keep up with Madara, he wouldve been blitzed by Madara. Take note that Rinnegan madara had no precognition. Because he used his rinnegan instead eternal mangekyou Sharingan. Yet Madara could react to V2 A's full speed according to himself and A praised him for that.
You just wasting time pointing out reaction speed especially Minato's reaction speed. Our discussion is centered around travel/attack speed and Minato travel/attack speed is above Hashi. And you agree on the fact so its enough.
I dont know why you bring all this reaction speed over here.
I only want to proved why Minato can speed blitz Hashi using Shunshin or Hiraishin. Thats the actual objective and you go to a tangent explaining somethings that's not related. With Hanzo, Nagato, Ay bla bla...
But you still hard on your Hashirama can react to EMS Madara so he can react to Minato speed. For your information EMS Madara is not the best measurement for Hashi. In his era Tobirama is consider as the fastest man at that time and not Madara.
And the fastest man in Madara's era finally fought one on one with right now a totally different Madara, a Rinne Tensei Madara. This Madara is more powerful than EMS Madara and Hashi never fought with him but Edo Tobirama did.
So how the benchmark works? Not in full power Edo Tobirama fought with Rinn Madara for an amount of time using FTG before his defeats. So in individual battle without big jutsu presents you can see how Edo Tobirama managed to fight on par with Rinn Madara using his Speed tech (FTG) and Shunshin. Rinn Madara who is above EMS Madara and alive Hashirama.
Sum up: as it being agreed upon and proven that Edo Minato is far faster than Edo Tobirama and Edo Hashi in Shunshin and Rinn Madara is far faster than EMS Madara but Tobirama able to dodge his strikes using FTG so here the catch, Hashirama surely is slower than Rinn Madara in reaction speed but on par with EMS Madara. Although Minato maybe slower in reaction speed compares to V2 A he compensate that shortcomings using FTG. You mentioning precognition ability that Madara has.
But you get the idea wrong. Sharingan precog is used to read the movement of your opponent so you can counter his attack flawlessly. So by using Sharingan precog Madara can keep up with Hashi and not Hashi keeping up to Madara. Precog doesn't gives Madara increased attack speed but just reading attack movement. It increase one aspect to Madara, his reaction time.
Hashi not increasing his reaction time. So his reaction speed not much different. Also you mentioned that Edo Madara reacting to V2 A. But you cant use that to measure Hashi reaction speed because Madara and Hashi rarely fought without using gigantic jutsu on each other. Still I not believe Hashi reaction speed can match Minato attack speed or even Tobirama attack speed or FTG. I stay with my verdict, Minato beat Hashirama using speed blitz alone.
your trying too hard.
