I read one of the old threads and so many of the fanboys...

[Solarmoth]

Were claiming Minato can beat Hashirama. Anyone here thinks the same? The main argument is Minato can teleport SS. I find that argument very ridiculous. The reason is Minato was never portrayed on par with Hashirama who is a literal god. That's like saying Minato can beat Madara with that same skill but is that even near the remote area of Sense? Ftg should've some weaknesses which went unnoticed. I think even saying something like FTG beats Hashirama is a logical fallacy because thier portrayal are way far from what fanboys like closing them up to be.

What do you guys think.

 

[salamander uchiha]

somebody actually claimed Minato could teleport SS he was gassed after teleporting Kurama. Sensors can sense the user and Hashirama is a high grade sensor. So there goes ftg. 1 Hashi clone with 1/24th his chakra is enough to low diff Minato.

 

[Dreckerplayer]

Were claiming Minato can beat Hashirama. Anyone here thinks the same? The main argument is Minato can teleport SS. I find that argument very ridiculous. The reason is Minato was never portrayed on par with Hashirama who is a literal god. That's like saying Minato can beat Madara with that same skill but is that even near the remote area of Sense? Ftg should've some weaknesses which went unnoticed. I think even saying something like FTG beats Hashirama is a logical fallacy because thier portrayal are way far from what fanboys like closing them up to be.

What do you guys think.

ARROGANCE and clinically in denial.

That's it...and wanting to start arguments. It's a set up.

people are outrageous, sometimes.

 

[Solarmoth]

somebody actually claimed Minato could teleport SS he was gassed after teleporting Kurama. Sensors can sense the user and Hashirama is a high grade sensor. So there goes ftg. I Hashi clone with 1/24th his chakra is enough to low diff Minato.

I think what you're saying isn't an overstatement. Hashirama really can beat Minato with just that much. Hashirama's Chakra was kyuubi plus Naruto's chakra combined.

 

[salamander uchiha]

I think what you're saying isn't an overstatement. Hashirama really can beat Minato with just that much. Hashirama's Chakra was kyuubi plus Naruto's chakra combined.

Your over exaggerating Hashirama's stamina that was reffering to Yang Kurama's and all of it only how much it had recovered by then. Naruto's reserves and Kurama's were one at that point.

What I'm going by is Hashirama and some senju fought Madara for a 24 hour death match and Hashirama still had chakra to spare. Although I look at it differently(Hashirama's reserves) I'm going by an1 hour of that which is more than enough to deal with Minato easily and have 45 minutes of chakra to spare.

 

[Dreckerplayer]

I think what you're saying isn't an overstatement. Hashirama really can beat Minato with just that much. Hashirama's Chakra was kyuubi plus Naruto's chakra combined.

This sounds like favoritism, unfortunately.

And no, hashirama has his own chakra. Naruto has his own chakra plus kyuubi's chakra.

However, Hashirama is able to challenge the kyuubi...without getting killed by it.

 

[Solarmoth]

Your over exaggerating Hashirama's stamina that was reffering to Yang Kurama's and all of it only how much it had recovered by then. Naruto's reserves and Kurama's were one at that point.

What I'm going by is Hashirama and some senju fought Madara for a 24 hour death match and Hashirama still had chakra to spare. Although I look at it differently(Hashirama's reserves) I'm going by an1 hour of that which is more than enough to deal with Minato easily and have 45 minutes of chakra to spare.

Hashirama said this statement " He has as much as Chakra as I". Then he later realized and claimed " It has kyuubi chakra mixed in it". Which means he was comparing kyuubi plus Naruto chakra and mistakes both chakra as Narutos in the start.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Minato has speed advantages, Hiraishin. And this "speed" is extraordinary actually it cant be call as speed bcus it manipulate space/time.

His Shunshin also is superb. He managed to save baby Naruto second before the bomb explode.

So with his speed prowess he can defeats Hashirama before the first can pull out all his larger than life arsenal.

 

[Solarmoth]

This sounds like favoritism, unfortunately.

And no, hashirama has his own chakra. Naruto has his own chakra plus kyuubi's chakra.

However, Hashirama is able to challenge the kyuubi...without getting killed by it.

What does this above mean?

 

[Queen of Bananas]

Just compare the strength of Madara in relation to Minato.
And then compare the strength of Madara in relation to Hashirama.

The answer is obvious.

 

[Solarmoth]

Minato has speed advantages. And this "speed" is extraordinary actually it cant be call as speed bcus it manipulate space/time.

His Shunshin also is superb. He managed to save baby Naruto second before the bomb explode.

So with his speed prowess he can defeats Hashirama before the first can pull out all his larger than life arsenal.

Minato has to mark him with the tag. Shunshin requires chakra buildup. Minato does not have great base speed feats.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Hashirama said this statement " He has as much as Chakra as I". Then he later realized and claimed " It has kyuubi chakra mixed in it". Which means he was comparing kyuubi plus Naruto chakra and mistakes both chakra as Narutos in the start.

The problem you have is that the Kyubis level of chakra at that time is unknown it could be from anywhere from 5% up to 50%of it's chakra at that time.

 

[Solarmoth]

The problem you have is that the Kyubis level of chakra at that time is unknown it could be from anywhere from 5% up to 50%of it's chakra at that time.

Hashirama calculated the chakra he gave to the Shinobi alliance as this statement implies "He is sharing his chakra with the alliance... Its almost comparable to mine". Later he said the above statements. He calculated the chakra he gave the alliance along with his bodily existing reserves.

 

[Chikombo]

Being delusional is sane and normal.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Hashirama calculated the chakra he gave to the Shinobi alliance as this statement implies "He is sharing his chakra with the alliance... Its almost comparable to mine". Later he said the above statements. He calculated the chakra he gave the alliance along with his bodily existing reserves.

Which could range from 0-50% of whole Kurama and 0-100% of Yang Kurama. Its definitely not Zero more like 20% +imo.That's the point I'm making anyway that irrelevant Hashirama had enough stamina to fight Madara for a 24 hour battle. Minato stands no chance against a 1/24th clone

 

[Nerosmoke]

Minato can't beat Hashirama.

but the 3rd Hokage can why is there not more 3rd vs 1st threads.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Minato has to mark him with the tag. Shunshin requires chakra buildup. Minato does not have great base speed feats.

Edo Tobirama (who is not at 100% power) successively attacking Rinne rebirth Madara using FTG inspired by Minato and this Madara is consider as more powerful than Edo and EMS Madara even Hashirama admitted it. Safe to say this Madara also is stronger than Hashirama. But we saw how Edo Tobirama put a work on Madara using FTG V2. Edo Madara able to counter all Tobrama's attack bcus he has Sage Mode power plus all the body modifications advantages. Tobirama first strikes Madara using his trademark move, Hiraishingiri but Madara dodge the attack help by his Sage sensing. And what happen after that is offpanel.

But what I want to tell you is that 1) Rinne Madara is stronger than Hashirama 2) Tobirama in his prime is the fastest person in Madara's era, admitted by Madara himself. 3) Edo Tobirama gives Madara a hard time using FTG 4) Edo Tobirama acknowledge Minato's speed prowess and he said "Minato is faster than him" 5) Hashirama never started any battle using SM.

So try to connect the dot. How the battle start. Both Hashirama and Minato start in base. As its proven that Minato is faster than Tobirama (Shunshin wise) there is no reason to believe that Minato doesn't have great base speed as in two occasions it shows him travel in great speed (saving baby Minato and arriving to battlefield first before other Hokages). So in this battle Minato can speed blitz Hashirama easily. Or just shunshin to Hashirama and leave the FTG mark on him. If Edo Tobirama can surprise attack Rinne Madara using his foot speed why Minato couldnt do the same thing to a person that below Rinn Madara?

Therefore Minato can just speed blitz Hashirama from the start of the battle bcus he can without plot. Speed always trump strength.

 

[salamander uchiha]

way too much fanfic

Minato with ftg surprise attack wasn't able to touch base Killer Bee and you think he would speed blitz Hashirama? You've got to be kidding me.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Minato with ftg surprise attack wasn't able to touch base Killer Bee and you think he would speed blitz Hashirama? You've got to be kidding me.

Not he cant touch him, he can touch him but Killer have anticipated that move so he already prepared. Do you need a scan? They were close to each other where both can happily kill each other. "Minato will appear from behind be ready". Walla. Plot.

If no plot no one can kidding with Minato including you. He can leave FTG mark on Hashirama and he will become like a target of heat seeking missile. But first will use Kunai FTG to get closer to Hashirama. Body mark FTG is more effective and efficient than Kunai. Refer to Obito, Edo Madara, Edo Minato chapter.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Minato loses and anyone who gets titles hokage gets wanked, even the weakest. But Hashirama is sure as hell not a GOD.