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orochimaru thought he was manipulating him but he doesnt know sasuke was just using him, in the end sasuke turned him and defeated him, sasuke got power from him and then threw him away, manga facts speak for themselves. as for obito sasuke got ems from him, sasuke went after danzo, that was his goal so he was always going to go to the summit. sasuke even told him to his face that they are not comrades. after getting ems sasuke turned on him, killed zetsus and later played a role in his defeat. at the end of the day is the after math that matters. those two guys thought they had sasuke under control but it backfired as sasuke hit them hard after he got what he wanted from them another manga fact which speaks much louder than mere words from orochimaru . sasuke actually used them for his benefits if you think about it.
OT. its like idiots didnt even read this thread and instead turned on the hate button, this forum can be such a disapointment at times. i agree op.