[Theory] I Know why Tobi gave Nagato the Rinnegan

[Nidaime Pupil]

I doubt Tobi is Izuna.

Why?

 

[Infinite Mizu]

Its a good theory but i dont agree sorry, rep+ though

 

[NarutoKage2]

Try to understand this, "At the time of my brothers death, all he left me were his eyes..." What about AFTER that and AFTER he was revived? See Kishi doesn't actually rule out this possibility with that statement.

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'After my brother died..', NOT 'At the time of my brother's death', you just made that up, look at the links, or just read it here:

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Every website i've seen has the exact same words, thus reducing the chances of a mistranslation.

Madara already talks about AFTER, and he says AFTER Izuna died he only left me his eyes and their power, meaning he did'nt leave anything else behind. Well someone who is carrying out the Eye of the moon plan obviously is still carrying on his legacy and cannot be referred to like that.

 

[Aze]

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'After my brother died..', NOT 'At the time of my brother's death', you just made that up, look at the links, or just read it here:

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Every website i've seen has the exact same words, thus reducing the chances of a mistranslation.

Madara already talks about AFTER, and he says AFTER Izuna died he only left me his eyes and their power, meaning he did'nt leave anything else behind. Well someone who is carrying out the Eye of the moon plan obviously is still carrying on his legacy and cannot be referred to like that.

But if Madara had too choose between a Random Uchiha and hes own brother and choose which one of them will carry on hes Legacy.

It would be reasonable too choose Izuna.

And also Madara seems to know how too Revive someone back from the dead , he even considered teaching it too Hashirama.

The one who is operating Moons Eye Plan , must be close too Madara , someone who he will trust.

 

[~MC117~]

Nice theory

 

[dolama]

you dont know sh*t until u see it in the manga. this threat is full of bullshi*t

 

[NarutoKage2]

But if Madara had too choose between a Random Uchiha and hes own brother and choose which one of them will carry on hes Legacy.

It would be reasonable too choose Izuna.

And also Madara seems to know how too Revive someone back from the dead , he even considered teaching it too Hashirama.

The one who is operating Moons Eye Plan , must be close too Madara , someone who he will trust.

Assuming the Eye of the Moon plan is Madara's in the first place. He shares the same plan as Tobi, but we don't know who came up with it first, Tobi or Madara.

Also, did you read what i just wrote, as in read and understand it? It is IMPOSSIBLE for Tobi to be Izuna going by any kind of logic(that's all we can do, use logic ultimately kishi decides all).

Izuna died and was shown in a coffin. Madara confirmed he died, and HINT: Tobi is alive, not dead. So he can't be Izuna. Its that simple.

Also, Tobi is not an Edo Tensei, he does'nt even know about that tech, proven when he asks Kabuto to explain it to him.

Izuna could not have been revived by Rinne Tensei.

When real Madara awakened the rinnegan, he died shortly afterward. He would'nt have had time to perfect Rinne Tensei. A short while after awakening the rinnegan, Madara gave Nagato the rinnegan and died. But Madara was expecting to be revived via Rinne Tensei, and he knew about 'that brat Nagato' who was born during the 2nd Ninja World War, years after Izuna died.
If, in the unlikely event that Madara perfected Rinne Tensei and used it to resurrect Izuna who now poses as Tobi during that 'shortly' time frame, then he would have told his brother how the technique works, so he could also use it to resurrect Madara himself.

But Madara was never resurrected via Rinne Tensei, meaning Tobi did'nt know how to perfect that technique or how to make Nagato perfect it w/o a time frame.

When Pain revived everyone from Konoha, they all had the exact same abilities they had had in their lifetime. Kakashi had his implanted sharingan even etc. But why would Izuna if he had been revived by Rinne Tensei and if he were also Tobi not have the Mangekyuo Sharingan? Izuna had those eyes in his lifetime, all who've been shown to be revived by Rinne Tensei had all their abilities so why is Izuna any different?


All these reasons and more help to prove that its impossible for Tobi to be Izuna.

EDIT: Madara does'nt know how to revive anyone, i already explained its improbability above. What he said about Hashirama was just in jest, jeez learn to detect basic things people, like tonality, taking a taunt by Madara meant to demoralize his opponent's as the literal truth is immature and stupid.

 

[Edge]

Nice theory, although some things sont seem plausible im definitely down with the Izuna revival and transferring of eyes

 

[Aze]

Assuming the Eye of the Moon plan is Madara's in the first place. He shares the same plan as Tobi, but we don't know who came up with it first, Tobi or Madara.

Also, did you read what i just wrote, as in read and understand it? It is IMPOSSIBLE for Tobi to be Izuna going by any kind of logic(that's all we can do, use logic ultimately kishi decides all).

Izuna died and was shown in a coffin. Madara confirmed he died, and HINT: Tobi is alive, not dead. So he can't be Izuna. Its that simple.

Also, Tobi is not an Edo Tensei, he does'nt even know about that tech, proven when he asks Kabuto to explain it to him.

Izuna could not have been revived by Rinne Tensei.

When real Madara awakened the rinnegan, he died shortly afterward. He would'nt have had time to perfect Rinne Tensei. A short while after awakening the rinnegan, Madara gave Nagato the rinnegan and died. But Madara was expecting to be revived via Rinne Tensei, and he knew about 'that brat Nagato' who was born during the 2nd Ninja World War, years after Izuna died.
If, in the unlikely event that Madara perfected Rinne Tensei and used it to resurrect Izuna who now poses as Tobi during that 'shortly' time frame, then he would have told his brother how the technique works, so he could also use it to resurrect Madara himself.

But Madara was never resurrected, meaning Tobi did'nt know how to perfect that technique or how to make Nagato perfect it w/o a time frame.

When Pain revived everyone from Konoha, they all had the exact same abilities they had had in their lifetime. Kakashi had his implanted sharingan even etc. But why would Izuna if he had been revived by Rinne Tensei and if he were also Tobi not have the Mangekyuo Sharingan? Izuna had those eyes in his lifetime, all who've been shown to be revived by Rinne Tensei had all their abilities so why is Izuna any different?


All these reasons and more help to prove that its impossible for Tobi to be Izuna.

EDIT: Madara does'nt know how to revive anyone, i already explained its improbability above. What he said about Hashirama was just in jest, jeez learn to detect basic things people, like tonality, taking a taunt by Madara meant to demoralize his opponent's as the literal truth is immature and stupid.

well , there is a reason between Madara , Tobi and Nagato , in overall Tobi being Izuna is irrelevant , But lets be honest it would be Epic if Tobi was Izuna...

But wouldnt the brother of the Legendary Madara Uchiha be capable of faking hes death?

 

[Just Enjoy This Shit]

well I know why he gave it to Nagato.

Spoiler

Madara awakened Rinnegan intentionaly.

He learned from the stone tablet how to achieve this.

You need to place an incredible stress on the EMS eyes , to obtain it.

The whole purpose of geting the Rinnegan was to revive Izuna.

The only way how to achieve this was to fight the Hashirama Senju...the strongest of them all..

He fought Hashirama = faked hes death , awakened the rinnegan = Thus reviving Izuna.

He gave Izuna the Rinnegan , He told Izuna , that he needs to find a young child with huge amounts of chakra=Reason for that.

Also , Madara used somekind of jutsu too give all hes knownledge to Izuna , that's the reason why Tobi knows so much about it all.

Reason is , that Rinne Tensei takes 20+ years to recharge until it's useable again.

That's why he needed Nagato ...to use Rinne Tensei on Madara again.

makes sense?

Here is another one.

Spoiler

we could assume , that Tobi is an eye specialist ,

Tobi had Madaras Rinnegan in hes posession(by unknown means).

Tobi and Madara seem to know eachother.

Tobi and Madara have the same goal.(Moon Eye Plan)

Tobi was uncapable of using the Rinnegan himself(dont know why)

Tobi needed a host , who can be easily manipulated , used as a pawn so to speak.

Tobi knew , that Uzumakis chakra was special.

So he used Nagato.

and he needed Nagato to use Gedo Mazo + Rinne Tensei in hes favor (both of these techs shorten the lifespan of the user)

Uzumakis have long long life span=reliable Gedo Mazo + Rinne Tensei.

So Uzumakis would be a perfect choice for the Rinnegan.

So Gedo Mazo = Moon Eye Plan

and Rinne Tensei = was ment to revive Madara

i like your theory, alot of it fits, but

1 you cant read the true part of the stone without the rin...unless reading it with ems tells you how to unlock it.

2 he would have used the fight with hashi strictly to acquire dna.(plausible)

3 he could have just TOLD tobi with his MOUTH everything..why would he need to use a type of mind transfer.


but i do like your point that he wanted to revive izuna, this would also prove that tobi is izuna or an imperfect form of him or something..

TOBI=the other brother izuna.. lol it works but farfetched, only time will tell

dont let these haters bring you down tho, i like your theory

 

[NarutoKage2]

well , there is a reason between Madara , Tobi and Nagato , in overall Tobi being Izuna is irrelevant , But lets be honest it would be Epic if Tobi was Izuna...

But wouldnt the brother of the Legendary Madara Uchiha be capable of faking hes death?

It really would'nt. It would be beyond lame, it'd be pointless to an extreme.


Sure he would. But he can't be resurrected by Edo Tensei if he faked his death, duh.

Btw, if you're talking about Madara faking Izuna's death, then why did Madara himself say his brother died?

Your arguments about Izuna are not working. Keep believing if you want to, but i'd say drop it if you want my opinion, its a very cliche and bore kind of an option, plus its illogical.

 

[Edge]

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'After my brother died..', NOT 'At the time of my brother's death', you just made that up, look at the links, or just read it here:

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Every website i've seen has the exact same words, thus reducing the chances of a mistranslation.

Madara already talks about AFTER, and he says AFTER Izuna died he only left me his eyes and their power, meaning he did'nt leave anything else behind. Well someone who is carrying out the Eye of the moon plan obviously is still carrying on his legacy and cannot be referred to like that.

Your argument is extremely flawed and based on only one speech bubble that was translated from another language.

There is an insurmountable amount of evidence for Izuna,

1)He hasn't been summoned by Kabuto (or even mentioned)
2) Similarities to Madara are immense, both are Uchihas (Tobi being a REAL UCHIHA), both have EMS, both can control the Nine-Tails, even Minato and Jiraiya mistook Tobi for Madara based solely on his power
3) Madara knows how to revive people from the dead. Just because Izuna DIED doesn't mean he is DEAD. Who else would Madara revive using Rinne Tensei but his brother?
4) We know the Rinnergan were Tobi's eyes TO BEGIN WITH, Madara took/was given Izuna's eyes meaning that Izunas eyes are the root of Madaras powers and it is likely that Nagato's eyes are Madaras original set of eyes
5) This

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Prove me wrong.

EDIT:

 

[Aze]

Your argument is extremely flawed and based on only one speech bubble that was translated from another language.

There is an insurmountable amount of evidence for Izuna,

1)He hasn't been summoned by Kabuto (or even mentioned)
2) Similarities to Madara are immense, both are Uchihas (Tobi being a REAL UCHIHA), both have EMS, both can control the Nine-Tails, even Minato and Jiraiya mistook Tobi for Madara based solely on his power
3) Madara knows how to revive people from the dead. Just because Izuna DIED doesn't mean he is DEAD. Who else would Madara revive using Rinne Tensei but his brother?
4) We know the Rinnergan were Tobi's eyes TO BEGIN WITH, Madara took/was given Izuna's eyes meaning that Izunas eyes are the root of Madaras powers and it is likely that Nagato's eyes are Madaras original set of eyes
5) This

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Prove me wrong.

EDIT:

yeah that's a good point and it has catched my eye few times , thanks + rep

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

Your argument is extremely flawed and based on only one speech bubble that was translated from another language.

There is an insurmountable amount of evidence for Izuna,

1)He hasn't been summoned by Kabuto (or even mentioned)
2) Similarities to Madara are immense, both are Uchihas (Tobi being a REAL UCHIHA), both have EMS, both can control the Nine-Tails, even Minato and Jiraiya mistook Tobi for Madara based solely on his power
3) Madara knows how to revive people from the dead. Just because Izuna DIED doesn't mean he is DEAD. Who else would Madara revive using Rinne Tensei but his brother?
4) We know the Rinnergan were Tobi's eyes TO BEGIN WITH, Madara took/was given Izuna's eyes meaning that Izunas eyes are the root of Madaras powers and it is likely that Nagato's eyes are Madaras original set of eyes
5) This

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Prove me wrong.

EDIT:

When has Tobi EVER been shown to have EMS...? Or even MS for that matter?!? Just a question.


-gHost Senju

 

[Edge]

When has Tobi EVER been shown to have EMS...? Or even MS for that matter?!? Just a question.


-gHost Senju

He hasn't (yet). So?

 

[Simplified]

Not bad, could possibly come together +rep

 

[Aze]

So far we have had some intresting opinions in this matter , and remember this is a major keystone for the story.

 

[Inception]

It is kind of obvious that Madara wanted Nagato to use the Rinne Tensei on him. This has been explained by Tobi and Madara already. Nagato also has massive chakra and being an Uzumaki gives him the advantage of having a strong life force. He was definitely chosen because of these traits.

I find the recharge timer on Rinne Tensei theory interesting, it could be true. There is no doubt that Madara had other intentions for fighting Hashirama. One of them was to obtain Hashirama's Senju powers. Another could be the theory you stated. I doubt Madara would need to use any type of jutsu on Izuna/ Tobi to inform him of every detail about Madara's life. Can't a genjutsu do this? If Tobi is Izuna, he would know everything Tobi has claimed so far. He was Madara's one and only brother after all.

 

[Aze]

It is kind of obvious that Madara wanted Nagato to use the Rinne Tensei on him. This has been explained by Tobi and Madara already. Nagato also has massive chakra and being an Uzumaki gives him the advantage of having a strong life force. He was definitely chosen because of these traits.

I find the recharge timer on Rinne Tensei theory interesting, it could be true. There is no doubt that Madara had other intentions for fighting Hashirama. One of them was to obtain Hashirama's Senju powers. Another could be the theory you stated. I doubt Madara would need to use any type of jutsu on Izuna/ Tobi to inform him of every detail about Madara's life. Can't a genjutsu do this? If Tobi is Izuna, he would know everything Tobi has claimed so far. He was Madara's one and only brother after all.

Yup...I bet Madara cared for hes Brother.

 

[Don Drama]

It is kind of obvious that Madara wanted Nagato to use the Rinne Tensei on him. This has been explained by Tobi and Madara already. Nagato also has massive chakra and being an Uzumaki gives him the advantage of having a strong life force. He was definitely chosen because of these traits.

I agree...and because Nagato is an Uzumaki.