[Discussion] I hope Oda never pulls Child of Prophecy/Incarnation of Ashura bs with Luffy ever

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Only chakra pool lol that chakra pool helped him train 1000x faster to master jutsus. And yea the same large chakra pool that only .000001% of the ninja world have. Yea genes didn't matter a lot. Idk why u have the tendency to brush aside some of the major factors that would help him be more successful. Also his genes allow him to control tailed beasts better and he doesn't have automatic death after removal like what else do u want. He absolutely was born with a silver spoon.
So his training allowed to him to master jutsu in a fraction of the time. So what? The only thing that changes is that he would have finished far later than normal.

Yeah it's not like the Kyuubi saved him countless times before he learned to control him

Saving the life of the host, pretty beneficial. But once again, you're blinded by your own arguments and it doesn't matter how wrong you are you're just sticking to it.
External help during life and death situations does absolutely nothing to change the fact that he worked hard. This is like saying Rock Lee accomplished what he did via the privilege of having someone prevent his death by taking care of him as a baby/child.
 
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So his training allowed to him to master jutsu in a fraction of the time. So what? The only thing that changes is that he would have finished far later than normal.
His privilege saved him YEARS of training, which is the difference between a normal ninja or a genius. If he trained the Rasengan on his own with only a few clones he would never master it as fast as he did.

Look I found a picture of hard work, or should I say privilege.

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External help during life and death situations does absolutely nothing to change the fact that he worked hard. This is like saying Rock Lee accomplished what he did via the privilege of having someone prevent his death by taking care of him as a baby/child.
Hard work wouldn't have saved his life against Haku and Zabuza. So your Choji 2.0 would already have bit the bullet there.

birth privilege saved him.

Still I'm not denying his hard work I am saying that he got 90% of his powers thrown into his lap as well. But the hardest working ninja is Rock Lee, and according to your weird theory he should be able to do the same as Naruto did and save the world.

You can't say it was the result of privilege by changing the character completely, because then you lose the conviction, creativity, and drive. Make him Choza's son and give him the same drive, conviction and creativity, then yes, he'd accomplish the same thing.
The hole you're digging keeps getting bigger and bigger.
 
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Hard work wouldn't have saved his life against Haku and Zabuza. So your Choji 2.0 would already have bit the bullet there.

birth privilege saved him.

Still I'm not denying his hard work I am saying that he got 90% of his powers thrown into his lap as well. But the hardest working ninja is Rock Lee, and according to your weird theory he should be able to do the same as Naruto did and save the world.



The hole you're digging keeps getting bigger and bigger.
By this logic, no one ever accomplishes anything on their own because even having one friend to help you is "privilege."

Kurama saving his life against Haku and Zabazu bears no holdings on the fact that everything Naruto achieved was the result of him working hard, not privilege. "90% of his powers thrown in his lap" is false, considering the only power he ever had handed to him was during the final arc, and even that's debatable since without hard work he never would have got there.

Naruto started from the ground up, plain and simple.
 
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By this logic, no one ever accomplishes anything on their own because even having one friend to help you is "privilege."

Kurama saving his life against Haku and Zabazu bears no holdings on the fact that everything Naruto achieved was the result of him working hard, not privilege. "90% of his powers thrown in his lap" is false, considering the only power he ever had handed to him was during the final arc, and even that's debatable since without hard work he never would have got there.

Naruto started from the ground up, plain and simple.
Yeah whatever, keep talking out of your ass.

You're insane, you know it. You're just so deep in your own lie that you're almost believing it yourself.

Also I updated my post. I wonder how you bullshit your way out of that.

Rasengan was thrown into his lap because he would never have mastered that without birth privilege. That already is 90% of his power, so I don't need to go in depth on the rest. But it's also on the previous pages, you probably conveniently forgot that.

I'm not replying to you anymore, you're in an insane state of denial and it's no use. You got creamed with multiple arguments by multiple people and you're just saying wrong, wrong, wrong like a bad Trump imitation. Even the Donald has better chances of becoming president than you winning this argument.

But do me a favor big boy, start up a poll in the Naruto section. Go poll if Choza had a son with the same drive Naruto had and without any privileges if he still would be able to accomplish the same feats. I wonder how that will turn out.
 

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"Everything Naruto achieved was the result of him working hard, not privilege."

LMAO, this dude just said everything.

I guess Naruto's "win" against Neji means that he deserved to win that fight because he worked hard to win that fight, and it wasn't because of the interference of Kurama's chakra at all..
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And now this mans is trying to debate that the final arc is debatable because his "hardwork" overrides the fact that Hagoromo and Kurama blessed this guy with huge chakra and powers to sustain so long in the war.

Let's not forget the fact that he is son of one of the strongest kages in history and Uzumaki Kushina who was able to hold the Kyubi right after it being extracted.

Let's not forget at birth that this boy was already given the strongest Bijuu in existence so that he could survive in his childhood life.

Let's not forget how this boy was already prophesied by the toad sage to save the ninja world.

Lets not forgot how this boy was saved by Hagoromo after Madara extracted the Kyubi from him and then kept alive by Sakura and saved by Hagoromo.

Let's not forget how Naruto was revealed to be Ashura's reincarnation.

Let's not forget that he was fully replenished after his talk with Hagoromo and got brand new powers, flight abilities and the ability to comprehend all things.

You want to talk about hardwork? Both him and Sasuke received the most lead way in the entire series just from being 2 reincarnatons of the most powerful entities revealed in NV just like Madara and Hashirama.

Hardwork? Gai is a hardworker.

You Naruto fans and your biased warped "facts."
 

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If he did it would be the greatest insult to Monkey D. Luffy's character and would seriously downgrade Oda as an author.

He better not do it, he better not even attempt something similar.

That's all.

child of prophecy? luffy already is, incarnation? he already did, many characters in onepiece sees him as gold roger... just why would that be an insult? bra its all about how you put the story, you talking about this because your comparing one piece to naruto... naruto would be never be onepiece and onepiece would never be naruto... because onepiece is 50x better than naruto.
 

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"Everything Naruto achieved was the result of him working hard, not privilege."

LMAO, this dude just said everything.

I guess Naruto's "win" against Neji means that he deserved to win that fight because he worked hard to win that fight, and it wasn't because of the interference of Kurama's chakra at all..
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And now this mans is trying to debate that the final arc is debatable because his "hardwork" overrides the fact that Hagoromo and Kurama blessed this guy with huge chakra and powers to sustain so long in the war.

Let's not forget the fact that he is son of one of the strongest kages in history and Uzumaki Kushina who was able to hold the Kyubi right after it being extracted.

Let's not forget at birth that this boy was already given the strongest Bijuu in existence so that he could survive in his childhood life.

Let's not forget how this boy was already prophesied by the toad sage to save the ninja world.

Lets not forgot how this boy was saved by Hagoromo after Madara extracted the Kyubi from him and then kept alive by Sakura and saved by Hagoromo.

Let's not forget how Naruto was revealed to be Ashura's reincarnation.

Let's not forget that he was fully replenished after his talk with Hagoromo and got brand new powers, flight abilities and the ability to comprehend all things.

You want to talk about hardwork? Both him and Sasuke received the most lead way in the entire series just from being 2 reincarnatons of the most powerful entities revealed in NV just like Madara and Hashirama.

Hardwork? Gai is a hardworker.

You Naruto fans and your biased warped "facts."
Damn, that is a homerun
 

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"Everything Naruto achieved was the result of him working hard, not privilege."

LMAO, this dude just said everything.

I guess Naruto's "win" against Neji means that he deserved to win that fight because he worked hard to win that fight, and it wasn't because of the interference of Kurama's chakra at all..
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I'll give that you that this one was accomplished due to the Kurama's aid/influence, but this still isn't privilege. By this logic, everyone in the entire world had privilege when it comes to gaining power because every one in the entire world of Naruto survived at least one situation as a result of help from a separate party.

So yeah, Naruto got the win over Neji because of Kurama's help, but name me one person in this entire series who won every single fight without the aid of a separate party, and then we can decide whether this is privilege for gaining new power.

And now this mans is trying to debate that the final arc is debatable because his "hardwork" overrides the fact that Hagoromo and Kurama blessed this guy with huge chakra and powers to sustain so long in the war.
1. Naruto earned Kurama's power

2. I said that Rikudou powers were a freebie, but there also is an argument that Naruto would have never have gotten to that point if he didn't work hard. Not to mention that if he didn't undergo the training to control Kurama, their relationship wouldn't have gotten to the point that he learned his name, which was a stepping stone towards the other Tailed Beasts trusting in Naruto, which in turn led to Hagoromo deciding that Naruto was indeed worthy of receiving the power up, unlike the other transmigrants for Ashura.

Let's not forget the fact that he is son of one of the strongest kages in history and Uzumaki Kushina who was able to hold the Kyubi right after it being extracted.
Let's also not forget that it was stressed that Naruto inherited none of their talents and he never received special treatment as a result of being their son, so where exactly is the privilege here?

Even the Uzumaki pool of chakra isn't "privilege," cuz that'd be like arguing that the Gomu Gomu no Mi is Luffy's privilege. Both are just tools that were used in hard work to achieve results.

Let's not forget at birth that this boy was already given the strongest Bijuu in existence so that he could survive in his childhood life.
Once again, this isn't privilege. Putting aside the fact that Kurama's presence in Naruto's life took away more in his childhood that it gave, Kurama didn't save him against Haku(Zabuza stated Haku wouldn't be able to bring himself to kill Sasuke and Naruto), and only helped Naruto against Sasuke(completed negated by the fact that Sasuke had Curse Mark), and with Neji.

The only time Kurama gave Naruto a freebie was when it came to summoning Gamabunta during one part of the story.

Let's not forget how this boy was already prophesied by the toad sage to save the ninja world.
For one, this isn't destiny. GUESSING that Naruto would learn the names of the Bijuu(that was the prophecy that was specific to Naruto, the child of prophecy crap was vague) does not mean Naruto was guaranteed the things he achieved. The prophecy came true because Naruto achieved things through work, not the other way around.

Lets not forgot how this boy was saved by Hagoromo after Madara extracted the Kyubi from him and then kept alive by Sakura and saved by Hagoromo.
Hagoromo explicitly stated that he couldn't do anything to save Naruto. Secondly, this is like saying that Rock Lee was priviliged because Gai saved his life against Gaara, or he was privileged because Gaara saved him from Kimmimaro.

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Sakura keeping Naruto alive and others helping him isn't privilege for reasons stated above.
Let's not forget how Naruto was revealed to be Ashura's reincarnation.
This did absolutely nothing for Naruto building power.

Let's not forget that he was fully replenished after his talk with Hagoromo and got brand new powers, flight abilities and the ability to comprehend all things.
You're just rehashing things you've said before to give the illusion that you're giving new arguments.

You want to talk about hardwork? Both him and Sasuke received the most lead way in the entire series just from being 2 reincarnatons of the most powerful entities revealed in NV just like Madara and Hashirama.
Ashura and Indra didn't do a single thing to grant them power though.

Hardwork? Gai is a hardworker.
But but but but but but Gai is privileged because he had his father to teach him Eight Inner Gates

Funny how Naruto being saved by Hagoromo and Kurama means he's privileged and not a hardworker, but Gai being saved by Naruto, Rock Lee and his father doesn't stop him from being a hard worker.
 
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"Everything Naruto achieved was the result of him working hard, not privilege."

LMAO, this dude just said everything.

I guess Naruto's "win" against Neji means that he deserved to win that fight because he worked hard to win that fight, and it wasn't because of the interference of Kurama's chakra at all..
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And now this mans is trying to debate that the final arc is debatable because his "hardwork" overrides the fact that Hagoromo and Kurama blessed this guy with huge chakra and powers to sustain so long in the war.

Let's not forget the fact that he is son of one of the strongest kages in history and Uzumaki Kushina who was able to hold the Kyubi right after it being extracted.

Let's not forget at birth that this boy was already given the strongest Bijuu in existence so that he could survive in his childhood life.

Let's not forget how this boy was already prophesied by the toad sage to save the ninja world.

Lets not forgot how this boy was saved by Hagoromo after Madara extracted the Kyubi from him and then kept alive by Sakura and saved by Hagoromo.

Let's not forget how Naruto was revealed to be Ashura's reincarnation.

Let's not forget that he was fully replenished after his talk with Hagoromo and got brand new powers, flight abilities and the ability to comprehend all things.

You want to talk about hardwork? Both him and Sasuke received the most lead way in the entire series just from being 2 reincarnatons of the most powerful entities revealed in NV just like Madara and Hashirama.

Hardwork? Gai is a hardworker.

You Naruto fans and your biased warped "facts."
I can literally say the same thing about Luffy. If thats what all OP fans can say about Naruto
 

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Lmfao "hard work", everyone and their mothers work hard, unfortunately everyone and their mothers don't have Kurama or God come down from the heavens to bless them.
 

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I can literally say the same thing about Luffy. If thats what all OP fans can say about Naruto
Luffy the kid who was handed a rubber DF? When people around him, running around with lightning, magma, fire, light, darkness, gravity etc.

Only argument any one can hope to bring up is how his lineage can "possibly" affect future events, because there have been Ds who died without accomplishing much, and there are also other Ds competing with him (Law, Blackbeard).

Luffy's DF is hands down one of the shittiest DFs to start with, and definitely one of the weakest among New World pirates. He created something with nothing.
 
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Luffy the kid who was handed a rubber DF? When people around him, running around with lightning, magma, fire, light, darkness, gravity etc.

Only argument any one can hope to bring up is how his lineage can "possibly" affect future events, because there have been Ds who died without accomplishing much, and there are also other Ds competing with him (Law, Blackbeard).

Luffy's DF is hands down one of the shittiest DF's to start with, and definitely one of the weakest among New World pirates. He created something with nothing.
Let's not forget he worked his ass off to get the best of it >_>
 

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@Riker:
Naruto defeated Kiba in the prelims without any help
Hebi Sasuke defeated sick Orochimaru without any help
Gaara defeated Lee without any help.

I can name more, but I have to search.

And your Gai example is just ridiculous since everyone in the NV has been saved at least once but it's not like everyone is being saved by supernatural entities with god gifting powers.

I can literally say the same thing about Luffy. If thats what all OP fans can say about Naruto
But here's the thing though. Luffy trains extra hard for his powers. He doesn't have some beasts living in him saving him from desperate situations nor is he from some strong clan. We don't know what the will of D is, so we can't assume that all Will's of D has some special power. Besides, everyone who is will of D does not even know what that means so it's not like it means anything to Luffy nor can he use his "will of D" in a fight.

I'm not saying that Luffy didn't receive help, but it's not like Luffy got OP powers from ghosts and started whooping everyones ass in Marineford. If you can name me something that comes close to Hagoromo gifting Naruto RSM to fight Madara and Kaguya in OP then you would have a point.
 

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Edit: ah, just realized you said all their fights. That's literally impossible since no one in NV has won all their fights on their own, but that's beside the point and don't help you at all.
 

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Always found it funny how people always compare Naruto with Luffy but they fail to realize they are very very different characters.
 
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